Cummings and goings...

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

Blue62 said:

Thankyou4calling said:

Nobody cares.

That’s obviously not the case, but more likely that not enough people care and I’m struggling to understand why.

Because people are tired of Covid and the political wranglings that have accompanied the pandemic.
Apathy reigns. It's just one stshow after another and people just expect it now ?

[JagLover]

Blue62 said:

Thankyou4calling said:

Nobody cares.

That’s obviously not the case, but more likely that not enough people care and I’m struggling to understand why.

Because what he said was basic common sense?

As a society we pay for the preservation of life, but the sums involved are not limitless and depend on cost benefit analysis, spending per year of life saved. The assessment of measures to be imposed, at vast cost, will therefore be partly dependent on the age of those affected.

[Eric Mc]

I am always at a loss when people trot out the term "common sense". If anybody could define it for me, please send their definition to me on a postcard.

As for Cummings, he's a bit of a st and he is ratting on the other "sts" that he used to work for. There is never any honour between disonohourable people.

[Ntv]

He's a bitter little man isn't he?

Not as smart as thinks he is either.

Back to the 3D chess boyo.

[Blue62]

JagLover said:

Because what he said was basic common sense?

As a society we pay for the preservation of life, but the sums involved are not limitless and depend on cost benefit analysis, spending per year of life saved. The assessment of measures to be imposed, at vast cost, will therefore be partly dependent on the age of those affected.

I’m unconvinced JL, Cummings accusations with regard to shambolic leadership and specific allegations of comments and situations don’t pertain to specific age groups, but I get where you’re coming from. I just wonder if we are living through a time when too many are prepared to be accept being lied to, the old fifth Avenue Trumpism springs to mind.

[Unknown_User]

JagLover said:

Because what he said was basic common sense?

As a society we pay for the preservation of life, but the sums involved are not limitless and depend on cost benefit analysis, spending per year of life saved. The assessment of measures to be imposed, at vast cost, will therefore be partly dependent on the age of those affected.

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

[JagLover]

Blue62 said:

I’m unconvinced JL, Cummings accusations with regard to shambolic leadership and specific allegations of comments and situations don’t pertain to specific age groups, but I get where you’re coming from. I just wonder if we are living through a time when too many are prepared to be accept being lied to, the old fifth Avenue Trumpism springs to mind.

Apologies I thought you were referring specifically to the Boris text message that Cummings released yesterday.

[over_the_hill]

Gary C said:

eliot said:

He just comes across as a bitter former employee.

Yep, I wonder how he thinks he will ever get employed ever again in a similar role.

I suppose he will just write a book.

I suspect this is part of the advance PR for "The Book" but even if it is a rip-roaring success it will not be enough
to keep financing his lifestyle in a nice house in a nice part of London for more than a few years.

[rjfp1962]

In Cummings I see a bitter ex-employee making allegations against a serial liar, the PM - Who knows what to believe......?!

[Tuna]

Unknown_User said:

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

Are you saying that there is no valid equation here? That we should preserve Nana's life at all costs?

[JeffreyD]

rjfp1962 said:

In Cummings I see a bitter ex-employee making allegations against a serial liar, the PM - Who knows what to believe......?!

I don't think anyone in Johnson's camp is seriously accusing Cummings of lying. Their defence is all about context.

I'm surprised how weak Cummings has been as he must have known the strength of Johnson's Teflon coating.

[Maximus Decimus Meridius]

Unknown_User said:

JagLover said:

Because what he said was basic common sense?

As a society we pay for the preservation of life, but the sums involved are not limitless and depend on cost benefit analysis, spending per year of life saved. The assessment of measures to be imposed, at vast cost, will therefore be partly dependent on the age of those affected.

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

You may recall a clip of Boris from March 2020 when he was being shown around some lab or other in relation to coronavirus.
When he was told that the virus was likely to mainly (severely) affect people over 60, his eyes lit up.
"Is that right ?…" he asked gleefully. You could almost see the cogs turning in his head.
The writing appeared to be on the wall regarding Johnson's real attitude to Covid19 way back then.
I'm sure someone could find the clip if they could be bothered. BBC news iirc.

[Unknown_User]

Tuna said:

Unknown_User said:

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

Are you saying that there is no valid equation here? That we should preserve Nana's life at all costs?

I think it is really quite clear that I'm asking Jaggy questions in response to his post.

[JagLover]

Unknown_User said:

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

Better tell NICE that they cannot deem people "economically expendable"

NICE said:

Generally, we consider that interventions costing the NHS less than £20,000 per QALY gained are
cost effective. Those costing between £20,000 and £30,000 per QALY gained may also be deemed
cost effective

QALY standing for Quality adjusted life year.

https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Default/guidance/LGB...

[APontus]

Of course different lives have different values.

[Tuna]

Unknown_User said:

Tuna said:

Unknown_User said:

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

Are you saying that there is no valid equation here? That we should preserve Nana's life at all costs?

I think it is really quite clear that I'm asking Jaggy questions in response to his post.

In other words, you know that there is a balance being struck here between Nana's life and the wider economy and society, but you don't want to discuss it because you're trying to preserve absolute moral outrage.

[Unknown_User]

JagLover said:

Unknown_User said:

Basic common sense? Who gets to decide the age at which our Nana's become economically expendable?

May I ask what is your age?

Better tell NICE that they cannot deem people "economically expendable"

NICE said:

Generally, we consider that interventions costing the NHS less than £20,000 per QALY gained are
cost effective. Those costing between £20,000 and £30,000 per QALY gained may also be deemed
cost effective

QALY standing for Quality adjusted life year.

https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Default/guidance/LGB...

From your link - "NICE does not accept or reject interventions on cost-effectiveness grounds alone."

[Unknown_User]

Tuna said:

In other words, you know that there is a balance being struck here between Nana's life and the wider economy, but you don't want to discuss it because you're trying to preserve absolute moral outrage.

If that's the way you see it then I'm afraid it says more about you than anything else!

[Tuna]

Unknown_User said:

If that's the way you see it then I'm afraid it says more about you than anything else!

I edited to add society as a whole to the balance. How many Cancer treatments should we cancel in order to preserve Nana's life?

[saaby93]

JeffreyD said:

rjfp1962 said:

In Cummings I see a bitter ex-employee making allegations against a serial liar, the PM - Who knows what to believe......?!

I don't think anyone in Johnson's camp is seriously accusing Cummings of lying. Their defence is all about context.

I'm surprised how weak Cummings has been as he must have known the strength of Johnson's Teflon coating.

There's a huge difference between lying, being mistaken and not saying something because its not in the Daily Milas interest.
Cummings just seems to be on a self implode mission, too late.