Cummings and goings...
Discussion
DeejRC said:
Christ sake...are we really trying to discuss the best way to die when you are old????!!
FFS ppl.
FFS ppl.
FrankDrebin said:
A parachute not opening... that's a way to die. Getting caught in the gears of a combine... having your nuts bit off by a Laplander, that's the way I wanna go!
But seriously just trying to bring a bit of perspective about Covid. There seems to be a great deal of unreasoning fear in the general population, when a common form of death with respiratory viruses, in pneumonia, has long been considered one of the best ways to pass away in your old age relatively peacefully and with a minimum of suffering. Unknown_User said:
Tuna said:
In other words, you know that there is a balance being struck here between Nana's life and the wider economy, but you don't want to discuss it because you're trying to preserve absolute moral outrage.
If that's the way you see it then I'm afraid it says more about you than anything else! You're clearly completely bonkers.
He may be correct in assessing that then current system is broken. However that is likely due to the quality of the people involved in it. His best answer to fixing it seemed to be starting a new party - not sure that is going to work in any timescale any of us can imagine.
I wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
I wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
abzmike said:
He may be correct in assessing that then current system is broken. However that is likely due to the quality of the people involved in it. His best answer to fixing it seemed to be starting a new party - not sure that is going to work in any timescale any of us can imagine.
I wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
He sounded deluded IMHOI wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
Welshbeef said:
abzmike said:
He may be correct in assessing that then current system is broken. However that is likely due to the quality of the people involved in it. His best answer to fixing it seemed to be starting a new party - not sure that is going to work in any timescale any of us can imagine.
I wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
He sounded deluded IMHOI wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
Mr Tidy said:
That makes him seem even more of an arrogant tw*t!
He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
I think the ego of a guy who thinks it’s right to try and engineer the exit of a PM who’d just won one of the biggest parliamentary majorities is just mind blowing. If Boris made a mistake it was a massive lack of judgement on this guy, at least he eventually saw sense. Imagine Alister Campbell trying to get rid of Tony Blair. Forget the politics and what you think of Boris, this guy, an unelected person, was actively trying to destabilise the recently elected government from a paid official position. He’s poking the electorate in the eye. There’s a saying that in a democracy 2 idiots can out vote a genius, but frankly that’s how it should be when the genius is self proclaimed He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
Tuna said:
I didn't watch it... from the lack of gloating do I assume that Cummings' hasn't turned out to be the saviour/whistle-blower that some people hoped he would be?
Do you really think you'd get a balanced review on here? IMO I think it was a good interview and worth watching. DomCum painted Bozza as incompetent but that was no surprise. Hinted that a group of his people might look to start a new political party or takeover an existing one. He doesn't like Carrie and made it quite clear. Probably made uncomfortable viewing for people that voted for Brexit or Bozza in the last GE.
Kuenssberg is not a very good interviewer and didn't really push DomCum. Kuenssberg is a blatant Bozza/tory fan so probably not the best person to interview DomCum but the BBC is now controlled by the tory Gov so to be expected I guess.
Mr Tidy said:
Welshbeef said:
abzmike said:
He may be correct in assessing that then current system is broken. However that is likely due to the quality of the people involved in it. His best answer to fixing it seemed to be starting a new party - not sure that is going to work in any timescale any of us can imagine.
I wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
He sounded deluded IMHOI wonder how much he is overstating his power or even influence. He clearly had BJ’s ear, and seems to be part of his brain, but did he actually have the power to do anything other than advise and cajole ministers and the civil service?
He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
Tuna said:
I didn't watch it... from the lack of gloating do I assume that Cummings' hasn't turned out to be the saviour/whistle-blower that some people hoped he would be?
Correct. Cummings took arrogance and narcissism to a whole new level. LK didn’t seem to like him from the off but that inexorably developed to disgust as the interview went on, she seemed unable to comprehend how he, or any one else, could utter such things in private, let alone on camera.Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
Heres Johnny said:
Mr Tidy said:
That makes him seem even more of an arrogant tw*t!
He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
I think the ego of a guy who thinks it’s right to try and engineer the exit of a PM who’d just won one of the biggest parliamentary majorities is just mind blowing. If Boris made a mistake it was a massive lack of judgement on this guy, at least he eventually saw sense. Imagine Alister Campbell trying to get rid of Tony Blair. Forget the politics and what you think of Boris, this guy, an unelected person, was actively trying to destabilise the recently elected government from a paid official position. He’s poking the electorate in the eye. There’s a saying that in a democracy 2 idiots can out vote a genius, but frankly that’s how it should be when the genius is self proclaimed He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
Amusingly the ruthless efficiency of the Tory central office is exactly what Blair, Campbell & Mandy intended to replicate with the New Labour Millbank operation.
Garvin said:
Correct. Cummings took arrogance and narcissism to a whole new level. LK didn’t seem to like him from the off but that inexorably developed to disgust as the interview went on, she seemed unable to comprehend how he, or any one else, could utter such things in private, let alone on camera.
Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up bks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.
Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
Seriously, what interview did you watch? Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
Garvin said:
Tuna said:
I didn't watch it... from the lack of gloating do I assume that Cummings' hasn't turned out to be the saviour/whistle-blower that some people hoped he would be?
Correct. Cummings took arrogance and narcissism to a whole new level. LK didn’t seem to like him from the off but that inexorably developed to disgust as the interview went on, she seemed unable to comprehend how he, or any one else, could utter such things in private, let alone on camera.Cummings may come to rue this interview as I doubt even the BBC will show any sympathy for him or his approach from now on if, indeed, half of it wasn’t made up b
ks. It will be a brave, nay stupid, individual who puts their head above the parapet to make political points from this interview. It will be interesting to see the general public’s take on this, if indeed they can be bothered to form one.Does anyone really think Gove or anyone else will take this unhinged madman anywhere near government from now on?
It's rats in a sack and on balance so far Cummings is a more believable rat on most things than Johnson is.
He also seems to have kept quite a few of the receipts.
I don't doubt Cummings is embellishing a bit but the core is theme there of a Prime Minister who was unfit and who didn't give a s
t about the people he is responsible for protecting.Some people seem able to overlook that.
I wonder why.
Mr Tidy said:
That makes him seem even more of an arrogant tw*t!
He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
The thing is, if you voted for Brexit or Bozza at the last election you did vote for DomCum! He said he wanted to get rid of Boris just after Boris had won an election. WTF makes him think he is so special - I wouldn't have voted for any slimeball like him!
The main problem seems to the Tory Gov hating BBC giving him a platform - time for Alt/Ctrl/Delete on this hyprocrite.
Just because you have only just started to discover exactly how Bozza operates it doesn't mean you aren't voting for DomCumV.2 (see Carrie Symonds). I can understand you (and many others) find this revelation a bit embarrassing but them's the facts Jim Lad.
It was pretty much a non event where Cummings and the BBC editing made clear he's a dangerous authoritarian narcissist who doesn't believe in such stupid concepts as democracy.
What did make me chuckle was the architect of the Vote Leave campaign admitting to misleading people and being seemingly ambivalent (in fact didn't even know) as to whether Brexit was a good thing or not.
The harm from such people is of course we end up with a divided nation, a useless Worzel Gummidge as PM and all the chaos that goes with it.
What did make me chuckle was the architect of the Vote Leave campaign admitting to misleading people and being seemingly ambivalent (in fact didn't even know) as to whether Brexit was a good thing or not.
The harm from such people is of course we end up with a divided nation, a useless Worzel Gummidge as PM and all the chaos that goes with it.
APontus said:
What did make me chuckle was the architect of the Vote Leave campaign admitting to misleading people and being seemingly ambivalent (in fact didn't even know) as to whether Brexit was a good thing or not.
It seems to be more that he keeps an open mind about it and the motivations of those who supported the "other side". Cummings said:
I think anyone who says they’re sure about questions like that [Brexit] has got a screw loose, whether you’re on the remain side or our side. I think one of the reasons why we won is precisely, in Vote Leave we didn’t think that we’re definitely right and Remainers are all idiots or traitors or anything else… we never thought like that in, then and still don’t and I don’t know. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say Brexit was a mistake and the little, the history will, will, will prove that, of course it’s reasonable for some people to, to think that.
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