Discussion
paulguitar said:
105.4 said:
$15 minimum wage and universal healthcare for all.
THE HORROR!Or maybe another way to look at this is if policies popular with The Left, (in America), such as those listed above are being swallowed up by the Biden camp, then what about other vocal Left polices such as abolishing the Police & judicial system and abolishing capitalism? Will those polices also get taken on?
I believe there has already been strong suggestions that the Green New Deal gets taken on board as a Biden policy, and contained within that, (unless I am mistaken), is plans to abolish ICE / Border Security.
105.4 said:
paulguitar said:
Earthdweller said:
Have you actually listened to
Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Biden, radical?Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Utter nonsense.
From what I understand Biden is taking on several of Sanders campaign policies, such as $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare for all. There were a couple more, but I can’t remember what they were now.
On the other hand political definitions don't change because of different reference point. The word 'socialist' gets thrown about in the US a lot (and has been attributed to Biden earlier in the thread).
The reality is by definition Biden is not a socialist. He's not advocating the fundamental of socialism; social ownership to being with.
When Trump and other idiots say 'far left', they aren't actually referring to people (most of the time) who are 'far left'. It's just used as a lazy insult.
105.4 said:
paulguitar said:
Earthdweller said:
Have you actually listened to
Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Biden, radical?Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Utter nonsense.
From what I understand Biden is taking on several of Sanders campaign policies, such as $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare for all. There were a couple more, but I can’t remember what they were now.
Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
Earthdweller said:
A lot of the policies are very similar to our Labour Party policies
Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
Sounds good to me....Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
Earthdweller said:
A lot of the policies are very similar to our Labour Party policies
Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
Where did you get your list from? It certainly wasn't from the joebiden.com link that you embedded. There's nothing on that link that I'd be surprised to see on a Conservative party manifesto. In fact Trump is now saying that they've stolen his economic policies.Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/10/trump-joe...
Just a reminder...
Earthdweller said:
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Earthdweller said:
105.4 said:
paulguitar said:
Earthdweller said:
Have you actually listened to
Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Biden, radical?Biden or read his policies ?
His agenda is radical, left wing and progressive socialist, not something I’d describe as centrist/moderate and bland at all
Utter nonsense.
From what I understand Biden is taking on several of Sanders campaign policies, such as $15 minimum wage and universal healthcare for all. There were a couple more, but I can’t remember what they were now.
Another was roll out of superfast broadband nationwide to all communities and creation of high speed rail links across the country
Several eco policies, ala California rolled out nationwide. He sees climate change as the biggest challenge. His green revolution will create 10 million jobs
Replacing 500000 school buses withIn the first term with electric zero emission ones being one
Tax on the wealthy to fund pre school and college places for the poor
Complete reform of the education system so opportunities aren’t based on zip code or family wealth
As mentioned above some form of US wide NHS system
End the death sentence
Gun buy back scheme/restrictions on type etc
Stopping deportation of foreign national criminals
Raising Corporation tax to 28%
Taxing internet businesses such as Amazon
The onshoring of production back to the US funded by the US Govt
A welfare package of $700bn to support low income families and poor communities
He is very much big state .. the State will spend and build to reinvigorate the economy.
High Tax/High spend
Universal 12 weeks family leave for all
He is working jointly with Sanders in 6 key areas of policy
Yes his proposals are radical for the US, not so much for many of the social democratic nations in Europe, but they are left wing and very much in the progressive socialist ideology
Feel free to sign up
https://joebiden.com/americanleadership/
“socialism
/ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
None of those are particularly radical or socialists.
The latest target of protest? The house of the LA District Attorney.....
.... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
.... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
ChemicalChaos said:
The latest target of protest? The house of the LA District Attorney.....
.... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
You'd think she'd be a role model.... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
Noodle1982 said:
Young mother shot dead by BLM supporters for daring to say all lives matter
https://mobile.twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1...
I suspect the US is about 2 incidents from a really nasty outbreak of violence, I won't call it civil war, but it may not be far off. People on both sides are going to be tooled up now, and it only takes one idiot with an AR to set something off (and there are a lot of idiots with ARs in the USA). You'll get some kid emptying a magazine into a crowd and all hell will break loose.https://mobile.twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1...
Edited by rxe on Monday 13th July 11:12
ChemicalChaos said:
The latest target of protest? The house of the LA District Attorney.....
.... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
A lot of 'BLM' seems to be white people with a political agenda, if you don't agree with them completely they don't care if you're black of not, or what you background is. .... A black woman who grew up in a deprived area and made a successful career.
Except she apparently doesn't prosecute enough police officers - according to protestors who have none of the facts of then court cases - so yup, she must go too. Cue guns being drawn - I wonder if she'll have them confiscated like the other couple last week
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516261/L...
When you see a video of a black man being assaulted in the street by a couple of white 'bros' because he didn't agree with their BLM related posters you know something is a bit wrong.
pquinn said:
A lot of 'BLM' seems to be white people with a political agenda, if you don't agree with them completely they don't care if you're black of not, or what you background is.
When you see a video of a black man being assaulted in the street by a couple of white 'bros' because he didn't agree with their BLM related posters you know something is a bit wrong.
True.When you see a video of a black man being assaulted in the street by a couple of white 'bros' because he didn't agree with their BLM related posters you know something is a bit wrong.
I've said it for a while now that there is becoming a trend for a far left riot season each year in western countries. There seems to be a growing anti-capitalist movement full of far left ideology that is infecting western society.
2008 obviously was a catalyst to a large extent but the aim of the far left is to break down traditional society, with constant game plays of creating divisions, erasing heritage, using violence, shutting down debate, adopting targeted racism, vilifying anyone who does not fully sign up to their agenda and of course equally worrying is the desire for the individual to be stripped of any personal wealth/assets and for it to all be controlled by the state.
Their ultimate desire to create a utopian far left socialist environment where they think the state will see to the every need of its citizens - ignoring the fact that such political systems have always failed in the past and lead to mass poverty, huge inequalities and much lower living standards.
Its as if the far left are on a mission to simply break down our western society in to the hateful utopia that they themselves claim to despise. Which is no surprise really because many political ideologies are fundamentally flawed. They are nothing more than a 'vehicle' for placing a certain close-minded authoritarian bigoted group of people in to position of significant power and control. Nothing more, nothing less.
The far left are simply a hate group, they are the new fascists. I would be very surprised if anybody on PH would be stupid enough to write even one sentence of support for them.
GroundZero said:
pquinn said:
A lot of 'BLM' seems to be white people with a political agenda, if you don't agree with them completely they don't care if you're black of not, or what you background is.
When you see a video of a black man being assaulted in the street by a couple of white 'bros' because he didn't agree with their BLM related posters you know something is a bit wrong.
True.When you see a video of a black man being assaulted in the street by a couple of white 'bros' because he didn't agree with their BLM related posters you know something is a bit wrong.
I've said it for a while now that there is becoming a trend for a far left riot season each year in western countries. There seems to be a growing anti-capitalist movement full of far left ideology that is infecting western society.
2008 obviously was a catalyst to a large extent but the aim of the far left is to break down traditional society, with constant game plays of creating divisions, erasing heritage, using violence, shutting down debate, adopting targeted racism, vilifying anyone who does not fully sign up to their agenda and of course equally worrying is the desire for the individual to be stripped of any personal wealth/assets and for it to all be controlled by the state.
Their ultimate desire to create a utopian far left socialist environment where they think the state will see to the every need of its citizens - ignoring the fact that such political systems have always failed in the past and lead to mass poverty, huge inequalities and much lower living standards.
Its as if the far left are on a mission to simply break down our western society in to the hateful utopia that they themselves claim to despise. Which is no surprise really because many political ideologies are fundamentally flawed. They are nothing more than a 'vehicle' for placing a certain close-minded authoritarian bigoted group of people in to position of significant power and control. Nothing more, nothing less.
The far left are simply a hate group, they are the new fascists. I would be very surprised if anybody on PH would be stupid enough to write even one sentence of support for them.
Oh someone already did that here!
I did try to address the bigger picture of society, race, class, and economic disparity but as everyone had already distanced themselves from the far-left aims of BLM as a political group while supporting the general message, no one really wished to analyse any of those issues they couldn't attribute to racism.
It's funny you should mention utopia, as that's what people are demanding with graffiti near me, on the same walls they are denouncing the police, Israel, Royals, gentrification, and promoting trans rights, freedom for Assange and BLM.
Edited by R Mutt on Monday 13th July 13:25
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