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R Mutt said:
Can you repost that on the BLM thread so someone can tell you you must be opposing the notion that black lives matter please?
Oh someone already did that here!
I did try to address the bigger picture of society, race, class, and economic disparity but as everyone had already distanced themselves from the far-left aims of BLM as a political group while supporting the general message, no one really wished to analyse any of those issues they couldn't attribute to racism.
It's funny you should mention utopia, as that's what people are demanding with graffiti near me, on the same walls they are denouncing the police, Israel, Royals, gentrification, and promoting trans rights, freedom for Assange and BLM.
Yeah I know what you mean. Oh someone already did that here!
I did try to address the bigger picture of society, race, class, and economic disparity but as everyone had already distanced themselves from the far-left aims of BLM as a political group while supporting the general message, no one really wished to analyse any of those issues they couldn't attribute to racism.
It's funny you should mention utopia, as that's what people are demanding with graffiti near me, on the same walls they are denouncing the police, Israel, Royals, gentrification, and promoting trans rights, freedom for Assange and BLM.
Edited by R Mutt on Monday 13th July 13:25
I did some reading up on political ideologies a long time ago, as more of a hobby than anything else, to try and understand "world order" and the like, and its a well established tactic that in order to install a new ideology the game play is to break down and ruin the existing societal situation. Once it has been broken it then leaves the door open to install a 'new' system and ideals.
The NAZIS did it, Lenin did it, Mao did it, and so on. Hard ideologies call initially for civil war and/or for external war, and through that mechanism the resultant people in power take full control.
I mentioned 2008 as being a catalyst in my post above, but the seeds of this left wing 'revolution' started only a few years after the previous one failed.
It must be understood that there are communist 'forces' acting all the time within all western societies. The UK along with just about any other western country you type in to the likes of google will demonstrate that they have a communist party doing 'business' within its own borders.
These parties are sponsored by other nations who have an anti-west agenda and who are mostly on a communist ideology.
Back in November 2001 the Berlin wall fell and it triggered the end of the USSR. The USSR was a sponsor of the UK communist party which saw a reduction in funding once they broke apart. But that doesn't mean the ideology fell apart.
The communist ideology was always based up on "our system is better than a dirty capitalist one", and as such it was heavily based up on how much better the comparative economies were.
Embarrassingly for the communists, they ran out of spending other people's money and the USSR came crashing down.
But only a few years later the ideology morphed in to something that did not require economic performance to be the mind set for those they wanted to recruit.
The commies needed an argument that did not involve economic performance, so the rise of the new term of "inequality" became the bandwagon that could be used to push it forward.
New tools such as "Political Correctness" also came in to play during the Blair/Clinton regime.
"Political Correctness" now developing and being used as the tool it was always designed for, which is to limit and often remove the freedom of others to oppose a political agenda.
If you oppose then you can have the "PC" tool thrown at you and be called fascist, racist and all the other labels that the far left have in their multi-coloured handbags.
Having witnessed the $hyte show of seasonal riots in the UK, I am confident that the silent majority will place their vote time and time again for leaders who will oppose socialism/communism. I just wish that our leaders would do more and lead the nation against such ideologies. Trump is doing it in the USA, but I'd like to see Boris and even Starmer do it here in the UK.
Remembering that far left is just as much of a threat to the centre-left as it is to any right leaning politics.
Edited by GroundZero on Monday 13th July 13:59
GroundZero said:
New tools such as "Political Correctness" also came in to play during the Blair/Clinton regime.
Just out of interest I thought I'd look up the history of "political correctness" see where that started. https://www.britannica.com/topic/political-correct...GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
zygalski said:
GroundZero said:
zygalski said:
Would you say you're a teensy-weensy bit right wing?
I'm just getting that vibe.
Is that a problem for you?I'm just getting that vibe.
Would you like me to be 'shut down', "deplatformed", "silenced" for not holding a far left view?
Dont Panic said:
Like those in antifa and blm then?
Aah, the white knight of PH N,P&E to coin a phrase. You do like leaping into any N,P&E race discussions with whataboutisms, eh?Yes, I'd rather not converse with racists full stop. Even the tiny minority of BLM or any extreme political group.
Anyway, our discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.
zygalski said:
Dont Panic said:
Like those in antifa and blm then?
Aah, the white knight of PH N,P&E to coin a phrase. You do like leaping into any N,P&E race discussions with whataboutisms, eh?Yes, I'd rather not converse with racists full stop. Even the tiny minority of BLM or any extreme political group.
Anyway, our discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.
I know you have a hard time with difficult questions when youre constantly in contradiction with yourself but thats no excuse to flounce off sweetie pie.
s1962a said:
zygalski said:
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
I notice this as well in some threads. Real bunch of cowards.I well remember Winston Wolf (I'm somehow thinking that's not his real name) stating in a thread that he should be able to defend his right to call a black person a n****r to their face.
Is he a racist? Of course not! It's the kind of thing that pops into all our minds from time to time. FFS.
s1962a said:
zygalski said:
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
I notice this as well in some threads. Real bunch of cowards.If an individual was was given a label of “racist” or “not racist”, there would be a large majority or BAME (a racist term in its own right) with what the left would consider the wrong label....not to mention how many people with red ties would be uncomfortable mumbling about the Jewish global conspiracy.
Whataboutism seems to be the knee jerk reaction for some people on here. It's just plain odd when talking about racial issues facing black people in today's society.
I'm very much anti anti-semitism, but the deflection shown here and in other threads is, I'm sure, raising a few eyebrows other than just mine...
I'm very much anti anti-semitism, but the deflection shown here and in other threads is, I'm sure, raising a few eyebrows other than just mine...
zygalski said:
It depends.
Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
What did GroundZero say that is racist?Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
TheDrBrian said:
zygalski said:
It depends.
Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
What did GroundZero say that is racist?Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
I'm just a bit surprised about the whole BLM being a front for the Communist Party theory. It's not a view held by the majority of people I would think & sounds like another alt-right conspiracy theory.
Anyway, can we get back to discussing about how oppressed us white middle class men are.
zygalski said:
I'm just a bit surprised about the whole BLM being a front for the Communist Party theory. It's not a view held by the majority of people I would think & sounds like another alt-right conspiracy theory.
Maybe not the communist party per-se, but if you don't understand that BLM is a movement that purports some extreme left policies and viewpoints that are similar to communist/marxist aims then perhaps you need to have a closer look. BLM with big letters is a ideaology/political movement, blm with small letters is an important message that we should be giving its rightful attention.zygalski said:
TheDrBrian said:
zygalski said:
It depends.
Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
What did GroundZero say that is racist?Are you a racist?
If so, I suppose it is, if you think that being a racist and being labelled as one can somehow be defamatory in reference to an anonymous online forum member.
Anyway, we don't have any racists on PH. Can't remember a single member ever admitting to it. Even after posting racist stuff.
I'm just a bit surprised about the whole BLM being a front for the Communist Party theory. It's not a view held by the majority of people I would think & sounds like another alt-right conspiracy theory.
Anyway, can we get back to discussing about how oppressed us white middle class men are.
To summarise it goes a something like this:
Are BLM are load of Marxists?
Oh yeah some of these ideas seem a bit far-left (with quotes from BLM's website about dismantling capitalism)
I can't believe you're slandering them to undermine a movement for fair treatment of black people
I can't agree with their aims
You want black people dead?
No there are just bigger issues than everything being the fault of white western capitalism
So it's their own fault?
Protesters aren't doing themselves any favours
[Back and forth with accusations of racism for a dozen pages]...
BLM has nothing to do with BLM. Don't you support the message BLM?
Yes, don't you support BLM?
No, no one ever said they endorse the Marxist ideas of BLM.
OK can we talk about racial issues without calling eachother racists or Marxists?
[silence]
Edited by R Mutt on Monday 13th July 18:21
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