Discussion
98elise said:
Penelope Stopit said:
98elise said:
poo at Paul's said:
I’ve fired a few firearms in my time but never up close to people.
I am sure adrenaline is going mad in a situation like that and it’s no guarantee you won’t kill him anyway, but faced with a can of mace, rather than a gun or knife, (which I agree he may be carrying too) can you not just shoot at his legs or something to disable him rather than kill. ?
I know he is security and is protecting not just himself but the people he’s hired to protect, but to shoot at his head or chest from such range when faced with mace, seems like the outcome is pretty inevitable.
For things to get out of hand like that’s, something is pretty f
ked up.
He shouldn't be shooting unless he feels a life is threatened. If that's the case then he needs to shoot to kill, and that means head or chest.I am sure adrenaline is going mad in a situation like that and it’s no guarantee you won’t kill him anyway, but faced with a can of mace, rather than a gun or knife, (which I agree he may be carrying too) can you not just shoot at his legs or something to disable him rather than kill. ?
I know he is security and is protecting not just himself but the people he’s hired to protect, but to shoot at his head or chest from such range when faced with mace, seems like the outcome is pretty inevitable.
For things to get out of hand like that’s, something is pretty f
ked up. Can't think of one reason why
If you mean why did he need to kill the other guy, that's a different question. From the pictures it doesn't look like anyone's life was in danger so he shouldn't be using a gun in the first place.
Edited by 98elise on Sunday 11th October 15:35
As you mention, why use a gun in a situation like that
citizensm1th said:
The Moose said:
Red dot is different to laser dot, no?
Nothing is projected on to the target like a laser is. 
the compression is fairly horrific on here, here is the original copy which is much, much clearer:
https://twitter.com/Relentlessbored/status/1315152...
For all the wrong reasons, this will be a candidate for photograph of the year.
Penelope Stopit said:
It's all a matter of opinion but, at that short range I would bet good money that a shot or two to the legs wouldn't be difficult
As you mention, why use a gun in a situation like that
Because he was faced by a threat using a weapon on him to try to incapacitate him.As you mention, why use a gun in a situation like that
What's his alternative? Bear in mind he's protecting a film crew so just running away isn't an option.
It's s
t, but the issue is having a row when people have weapons.Bill said:
Penelope Stopit said:
It's all a matter of opinion but, at that short range I would bet good money that a shot or two to the legs wouldn't be difficult
As you mention, why use a gun in a situation like that
Because he was faced by a threat using a weapon on him to try to incapacitate him.As you mention, why use a gun in a situation like that
What's his alternative? Bear in mind he's protecting a film crew so just running away isn't an option.
It's s
t, but the issue is having a row when people have weapons.Carl_Manchester said:
citizensm1th said:
The Moose said:
Red dot is different to laser dot, no?
Nothing is projected on to the target like a laser is. the compression is fairly horrific on here, here is the original copy which is much, much clearer:
https://twitter.com/Relentlessbored/status/1315152...
For all the wrong reasons, this will be a candidate for photograph of the year.
Oh dear.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
jimmyjimjim said:
Oh dear.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
According to 9 News:-https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
“Matthew Dolloff, 30, was contracted through the company Pinkerton by 9NEWS... Pinkerton, however, said it does not actually employ Dolloff – Pinkerton did not share the name of the company for which Dolloff worked.”
https://twitter.com/KyleClark/status/1315498539225...
Looks like a CZ P10 in 9mm to me, could be something else though.
A "red dot sight" is on the top of the slide. This is a small glass sight which a red dot is projected onto. The user will put the dot on the target, rather than trying to line up the front and rear sight. It improves speed of target acquisition and in some cases can improve accuracy. The target can not see the red dot. It looks to be a Vortex to me.
The front lower part of the pistol frame has a light. This may or may not have been on. I am 99% sure its a TLR-7 which is a 500 lumen light and very popular due to its size and compatibility with many holsters.
As for "shooting in the legs" its simply not possible unless you have a lot of time and can actually take the time to think about it. Its not something many people train for. Some SF units train for unusual shots, the pelvic girdle being one and the "T" box being another. But these are very very special situations. For 99% of the shooting public, police, military and security guards then centre mass is the name of the game. The chances of stopping the threat with anything other than a centre mass shot is lower as you are basically aiming at a smaller target. The chances of a poor backstop also increase. So there is little reason to aim anywhere else other than the middle of the chest.
As for the shooter, my bet is he has spent a lot of time behind a gun. The clothes he is wearing for starters, the shirt looks like a "PMC" style covert shirt. Grey trousers, be the grey man. The watch, he has his watch on backwards. People do this so when they are in a patrol position with a rifle they can still see their watch. The grip he has on his pistol is what is taught to police / military. "Thumbs forward". And then just the speed at which he drew and pressed out showed he has done this many many times. You cant just do that without a lot of practice. Also edit to add as soon as he fires the shot and the threat stops he is looking around, not focusing on the guy on the floor but looking for any more threats. This shows he is probably well trained.
A "red dot sight" is on the top of the slide. This is a small glass sight which a red dot is projected onto. The user will put the dot on the target, rather than trying to line up the front and rear sight. It improves speed of target acquisition and in some cases can improve accuracy. The target can not see the red dot. It looks to be a Vortex to me.
The front lower part of the pistol frame has a light. This may or may not have been on. I am 99% sure its a TLR-7 which is a 500 lumen light and very popular due to its size and compatibility with many holsters.
As for "shooting in the legs" its simply not possible unless you have a lot of time and can actually take the time to think about it. Its not something many people train for. Some SF units train for unusual shots, the pelvic girdle being one and the "T" box being another. But these are very very special situations. For 99% of the shooting public, police, military and security guards then centre mass is the name of the game. The chances of stopping the threat with anything other than a centre mass shot is lower as you are basically aiming at a smaller target. The chances of a poor backstop also increase. So there is little reason to aim anywhere else other than the middle of the chest.
As for the shooter, my bet is he has spent a lot of time behind a gun. The clothes he is wearing for starters, the shirt looks like a "PMC" style covert shirt. Grey trousers, be the grey man. The watch, he has his watch on backwards. People do this so when they are in a patrol position with a rifle they can still see their watch. The grip he has on his pistol is what is taught to police / military. "Thumbs forward". And then just the speed at which he drew and pressed out showed he has done this many many times. You cant just do that without a lot of practice. Also edit to add as soon as he fires the shot and the threat stops he is looking around, not focusing on the guy on the floor but looking for any more threats. This shows he is probably well trained.
Edited by red_slr on Monday 12th October 14:40
jimmyjimjim said:
Oh dear.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
Well, he's already in jail but I suspect you mean he'll get a long stretch in a proper prison and I agree.https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dol...
For what it's worth, it's very much a Kyle Rittenhouse scenario and he has good justification, but I suspect he's going to jail now.
Chances of bail are slim unless his wallet has +$100K in it.
LAPD have issued a statement regarding the riot that occurred after the LA Lakers game. A total of 76 arrests have now taken place.
https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Carl_Manchester said:
LAPD have issued a statement regarding the riot that occurred after the LA Lakers game. A total of 76 arrests have now taken place.
https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Same day approx 100k Armenians protested through LA without a single incident. https://twitter.com/LAPDHQ/status/1315711735374860...https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Big Raff said:
Carl_Manchester said:
LAPD have issued a statement regarding the riot that occurred after the LA Lakers game. A total of 76 arrests have now taken place.
https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Same day approx 100k Armenians protested through LA without a single incident. https://twitter.com/LAPDHQ/status/1315711735374860...https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Carl_Manchester said:
LAPD have issued a statement regarding the riot that occurred after the LA Lakers game. A total of 76 arrests have now taken place.
https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
Will they be prosecuted, or will an "progressive" America hating DA drop the charges as Portland DA has done?https://www.lapdonline.org/home/news_view/66970
red_slr said:
Rittenhouse has had charges in relation to his rifle dropped - in his home state. The court decided his rifle was legally owned there and interestingly never left the state..
Do you have a link for that?I wonder if the final 3 people he shot will be no charge as clear self defence, not so sure on the first one though.
techguyone said:
red_slr said:
Rittenhouse has had charges in relation to his rifle dropped - in his home state. The court decided his rifle was legally owned there and interestingly never left the state..
Do you have a link for that?I wonder if the final 3 people he shot will be no charge as clear self defence, not so sure on the first one though.
So just to clarify he lived in IL, but literally 1/2 mile from the state line. I think the offence would be specific to IL.
He used the rifle in WI. It was kept in WI. He bought it in WI. All legally. The incident also happened in WI.
Thats not to say if he was charged in WI with firearms offences then it would not stick but in IL they have decided there was not a problem with the legality of his rifle.
He used the rifle in WI. It was kept in WI. He bought it in WI. All legally. The incident also happened in WI.
Thats not to say if he was charged in WI with firearms offences then it would not stick but in IL they have decided there was not a problem with the legality of his rifle.
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