US Riots

[techguyone]

I have sympathy with the guy who had his neck knelt on for 9 mins, but this... and a couple of others where they just ignored any attempt to comply with LEO and got shot. Rightly in my opinion, and then mega riots and looting kick off in response. Is just a joke, they're either just seeking any excuse however flimsy to go looting and having a grand ol time 'sticking it to authority'.

Or they're suggesting that if you are BAME then the rule of law doesn't apply to you and you can do whatever you like, and if you're hindered in any way, then you have a riot to contend with as a result.

I reckon November onwards will be 'interesting' especially if Trump gets back in.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Gadgetmac said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Gadgetmac said:

andy_s said:

Gadgetmac said:

They had 2 officers. One could have fired a taser with the second officer prepared with the gun if the taser didn’t work.

I agree with the ITV News that the knifeman did not present an immediate threat.

ITV News know nothing.

Did he have a knife? Was he within 21 feet of anyone? Was he 'agitated', was he 'responsive to command'? Then he's a potential lethal threat, [US court precedent, police protocol]. How you deal with that - to save life - is a matrix of snap judgement under pressure, resources, protocols, risk management and balls.

ITV News were showing the footage at the time. He had stopped moving at the point he was shot. We'll see how this pans out.

People often tend to stop moving a bit, when they have been shot!
It was what he was doing just prior to that, which is the important bit.

He was shot AFTER he'd stopped.

But thats irrelevent if the officers didn't have Tasers.

Oh that's alright then! but don't you think just maybe, if he had stopped, and dropped the weapon, when the officers told him to stop, instead of advancing towards them with a knife in his hand, it could all have turned out quite different?

[Gadgetmac]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Oh that's alright then! but don't you think just maybe, if he had stopped, and dropped the weapon, when the officers told him to stop, instead of advancing towards them with a knife in his hand, it could all have turned out quite different?

He had stopped.

Do you think there's protests because he was shot whilst running at the police officers with a knife?

[Pan Pan Pan]

techguyone said:

I have sympathy with the guy who had his neck knelt on for 9 mins, but this... and a couple of others where they just ignored any attempt to comply with LEO and got shot. Rightly in my opinion, and then mega riots and looting kick off in response. Is just a joke, they're either just seeking any excuse however flimsy to go looting and having a grand ol time 'sticking it to authority'.

Or they're suggesting that if you are BAME then the rule of law doesn't apply to you and you can do whatever you like, and if you're hindered in any way, then you have a riot to contend with as a result.

I reckon November onwards will be 'interesting' especially if Trump gets back in.

It seems that in many of these cases including Floyds, if the person/ s involved had just complied with instructions from the police, they would still be alive.
If a policemen pointed a gun at me, and told me to conform to an instruction, I know for an absolute thousand percent fact, what I would do! an they wouldn't even need the gun.

[98elise]

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

amusingduck said:

Gadgetmac said:

Looking at that video why didn't they taser him? In the UK he'd have been tasered.

Tasers aren't always effective, check the other video I posted, in that case the taser was virtually useless

That's not an argument. If it were the US police wouldn't have Tasers at all. From what I've read it's the fact that the Police went straight for their guns and didn't bother with their issued Tasers that concerns people in this instance.

If you're not going to use them why have them? It's not like they aren't trained in their use.

It's a reason not to use it though. The Male with the knife is clearly going for the officers, a Taser wont work every time, I'm sure it's less than 50% of the time actually yet people think they're the best thing since sliced bread. They're a great tool but are severely limited.

When faced with those odds I'd suggest they're perfectly justified to use their firearms over a taser that might stop him but also might not make a bit of difference.

Re the bit in bold above I don't believe it is. The Taser has been issued for these kind of situations, he didn't have a firearm he had a knife and was at enough of a distance to be tasered. His colleague had a gun aimed at the guy and could have taken him down if the taser had failed to stop him. The knifeman did not run at the officers giving them no time to use the taser.

Rightly or wrongly incidents like this are just asking for people to questions the police officers actions.

And you'd be wrong. The fact they carry a taser doesnt mean it HAS to be used before the option of a firearm.

If you knew the odds of a taser working correctly you wouldn't want to take that chance either.

The odds appear to be different in different states.

Carrying a Taser dosen’t mean it HAS to be used but prudence would dictate that in the current climate all other options are exhausted first. Like I say, a similar incident in the UK would result in a Taser being used. American gun culture appears to demand that the police use deadly force first.

Of course if they didn’t have tasers then that begs its own questions.

No, you use the most suitable bit of equipment available which in this circumstances was a firearm. You cant have politics, social movements, protest groups etc interfering with how a threat is dealt with. If you went to taser him and it didnt work you'd have to holster the taser, draw your firearm, get on aim and take the shot. By that point you'd probably have a knife in your neck.

I agree the person would probably have been tasered here but thats because the cast majority of officers dont have a conventional firearm on them.

They had 2 officers. One could have fired a taser with the second officer prepared with the gun if the taser didn’t work.

I agree with the ITV News that the knifeman did not present an immediate threat.

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Gadgetmac said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Oh that's alright then! but don't you think just maybe, if he had stopped, and dropped the weapon, when the officers told him to stop, instead of advancing towards them with a knife in his hand, it could all have turned out quite different?

He had stopped.

Do you think there's protests because he was shot whilst running at the police officers with a knife?

They are not really protests are they? just retail looting opportunities. Oooh! someone has been shot by the police, I must nip out and get that flat screen, TV, microwave, fridge freezer etc, to show how upset I am.
Why do you bend over backwards to defend the actions of someone acting illegally / being a d*ck? but want to have a dig at the people whose job it is, to apprehend people who are acting illegally?. And if you think someone coming at you with a knife is not acting illegally, then you must live in a completely different world, to most of the rest of us.

[thewarlock]

Pan Pan Pan said:

It seems that in many of these cases including Floyds, if the person/ s involved had just complied with instructions from the police, they would still be alive.
If a policemen pointed a gun at me, and told me to conform to an instruction, I know for an absolute thousand percent fact, what I would do! an they wouldn't even need the gun.

Have you watched the video? That's a shameful comment.

[Pan Pan Pan]

98elise said:

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

Greendubber said:

Gadgetmac said:

amusingduck said:

Gadgetmac said:

Looking at that video why didn't they taser him? In the UK he'd have been tasered.

Tasers aren't always effective, check the other video I posted, in that case the taser was virtually useless

That's not an argument. If it were the US police wouldn't have Tasers at all. From what I've read it's the fact that the Police went straight for their guns and didn't bother with their issued Tasers that concerns people in this instance.

If you're not going to use them why have them? It's not like they aren't trained in their use.

It's a reason not to use it though. The Male with the knife is clearly going for the officers, a Taser wont work every time, I'm sure it's less than 50% of the time actually yet people think they're the best thing since sliced bread. They're a great tool but are severely limited.

When faced with those odds I'd suggest they're perfectly justified to use their firearms over a taser that might stop him but also might not make a bit of difference.

Re the bit in bold above I don't believe it is. The Taser has been issued for these kind of situations, he didn't have a firearm he had a knife and was at enough of a distance to be tasered. His colleague had a gun aimed at the guy and could have taken him down if the taser had failed to stop him. The knifeman did not run at the officers giving them no time to use the taser.

Rightly or wrongly incidents like this are just asking for people to questions the police officers actions.

And you'd be wrong. The fact they carry a taser doesnt mean it HAS to be used before the option of a firearm.

If you knew the odds of a taser working correctly you wouldn't want to take that chance either.

The odds appear to be different in different states.

Carrying a Taser dosen’t mean it HAS to be used but prudence would dictate that in the current climate all other options are exhausted first. Like I say, a similar incident in the UK would result in a Taser being used. American gun culture appears to demand that the police use deadly force first.

Of course if they didn’t have tasers then that begs its own questions.

No, you use the most suitable bit of equipment available which in this circumstances was a firearm. You cant have politics, social movements, protest groups etc interfering with how a threat is dealt with. If you went to taser him and it didnt work you'd have to holster the taser, draw your firearm, get on aim and take the shot. By that point you'd probably have a knife in your neck.

I agree the person would probably have been tasered here but thats because the cast majority of officers dont have a conventional firearm on them.

They had 2 officers. One could have fired a taser with the second officer prepared with the gun if the taser didn’t work.

I agree with the ITV News that the knifeman did not present an immediate threat.

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

Absolutely. The bleeding heart virtue signaling liberals, who like the rest of us were NOT there, can be so stupidly sure of themselves with the benefit of hindsight, when it comes to situations like this.
I wonder if the same virtue signaling, bleeding heart liberals would be the loudest at virtue signaling about how wonderful the police are, if it had turned out differently, and it was the officers who had got stabbed to death in this incident?.
They seem to be like headless chickens, rushing around trying to find things they an be outraged / virtue signal about. Quite sad really.

[Gadgetmac]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Gadgetmac said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Oh that's alright then! but don't you think just maybe, if he had stopped, and dropped the weapon, when the officers told him to stop, instead of advancing towards them with a knife in his hand, it could all have turned out quite different?

He had stopped.

Do you think there's protests because he was shot whilst running at the police officers with a knife?

They are not really protests are they? just retail looting opportunities. Oooh! someone has been shot by the police, I must nip out and get that flat screen, TV, microwave, fridge freezer etc, to show how upset I am.
Why do you bend over backwards to defend the actions of someone acting illegally / being a d*ck? but want to have a dig at the people whose job it is, to apprehend people who are acting illegally?. And if you think someone coming at you with a knife is not acting illegally, then you must live in a completely different world, to most of the rest of us.

"Coming at you"...You need your nearest Specsavers.

[Pan Pan Pan]

thewarlock said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It seems that in many of these cases including Floyds, if the person/ s involved had just complied with instructions from the police, they would still be alive.
If a policemen pointed a gun at me, and told me to conform to an instruction, I know for an absolute thousand percent fact, what I would do! an they wouldn't even need the gun.

Have you watched the video? That's a shameful comment.

What video?

[Pan Pan Pan]

Gadgetmac said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Oh that's alright then! but don't you think just maybe, if he had stopped, and dropped the weapon, when the officers told him to stop, instead of advancing towards them with a knife in his hand, it could all have turned out quite different?

He had stopped.

Do you think there's protests because he was shot whilst running at the police officers with a knife?

Totally wrong! The video of this particular incident ,clearly showed him coming around a car with a large knife in his hand, approaching the police, AFTER they had told him stop, and put down the weapon.

[Gadgetmac]

98elise said:

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

FFS did the frothers on here suddenly all develop cataracts? Nobody was coming at the officers with a knife. He was stood holding a knife at the time he was shot. This detail is important and it doesn't matter how many times it's said that he was coming at the officers when he was shot it doesn't make it true - hence the protests.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Gadgetmac said:

98elise said:

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

FFS did the frothers on here suddenly all develop cataracts? Nobody was coming at the officers with a knife. He was stood holding a knife at the time he was shot. This detail is important and it doesn't matter how many times it's said that he was coming at the officers when he was shot it doesn't make it true - hence the protests.

That's the trouble with bleeding hearts liberal virtue signalers you only see what you want to see, not what actually happened, and in that state, even specsavers wouldn't be able to help you. (Some sort of psychotherapy might though)
The virtue signalers always have a highly selective buck stop point, to help their erroneous narratives out when they run into the truth..

[thewarlock]

Pan Pan Pan said:

thewarlock said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It seems that in many of these cases including Floyds, if the person/ s involved had just complied with instructions from the police, they would still be alive.
If a policemen pointed a gun at me, and told me to conform to an instruction, I know for an absolute thousand percent fact, what I would do! an they wouldn't even need the gun.

Have you watched the video? That's a shameful comment.

What video?

The one where that cop kneeled on his neck until he died. What other video could I possibly have been talking about?

[Pan Pan Pan]

thewarlock said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

thewarlock said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It seems that in many of these cases including Floyds, if the person/ s involved had just complied with instructions from the police, they would still be alive.
If a policemen pointed a gun at me, and told me to conform to an instruction, I know for an absolute thousand percent fact, what I would do! an they wouldn't even need the gun.

Have you watched the video? That's a shameful comment.

What video?

The one where that cop kneeled on his neck until he died. What other video could I possibly have been talking about?

OK so tell us all what happened in the run up to that incident, which changed Mr Floyd from being an ordinary citizen going about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck.

[thewarlock]

Pan Pan Pan said:

OK so tell us all what happened in the run up to that incident, which changed Mr Floyd from being an ordinary citizen going about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck.

That's irrelevant. The police officer didn't appear, from the video I saw, to be Judge Dredd.

He had been restrained already.

To be quite clear on my stance, if you're a cop, and someone rushes you with a knife or other weapon, you take them down. You don't take your gun out unless you intend to use it, and if you do, you don't aim for a leg, you aim centre of mass, to stop the person.

But that's not what happened here, is it?

Are you seriously going to try and justify the killing of that man somehow?

If so, please, go ahead, this should be good.

[Gadgetmac]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Gadgetmac said:

98elise said:

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

FFS did the frothers on here suddenly all develop cataracts? Nobody was coming at the officers with a knife. He was stood holding a knife at the time he was shot. This detail is important and it doesn't matter how many times it's said that he was coming at the officers when he was shot it doesn't make it true - hence the protests.

That's the trouble with bleeding hearts liberal virtue signalers you only see what you want to see, not what actually happened, and in that state, even specsavers wouldn't be able to help you. (Some sort of psychotherapy might though)
The virtue signalers always have a highly selective buck stop point, to help their erroneous narratives out when they run into the truth..

Bleeding heart Liberal?

Sadly the truth is that you tea party activists can't even see what's in front of your eyes.

[anonymous-user]

thewarlock said:

The one where that cop kneeled on his neck until he died. What other video could I possibly have been talking about?

The full body cam video from the start of the incident where Floyd was resisting right from the off.

There's going to be a sh-tshow when the cop gets off.

Not saying I want that to happen by any means but that's what I think will happen.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 29th October 11:28

[Pan Pan Pan]

thewarlock said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

OK so tell us all what happened in the run up to that incident, which changed Mr Floyd from being an ordinary citizen going about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck.

That's irrelevant. The police officer didn't appear, from the video I saw, to be Judge Dredd.

He had been restrained already.

To be quite clear on my stance, if you're a cop, and someone rushes you with a knife or other weapon, you take them down. You don't take your gun out unless you intend to use it, and if you do, you don't aim for a leg, you aim centre of mass, to stop the person.

But that's not what happened here, is it?

Are you seriously going to try and justify the killing of that man somehow?

If so, please, go ahead, this should be good.

No I am not going to try to justify what happened to Mr Floyd, But I asked you to tell us what happened which changed Mr Floyd from being an ordinary citizen, quietly going about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck, to which your ridiculous reply, was that it was irrelevant FFS! .
Do you believe it is standard police procedure for police to get people on the ground, and put a knee on their neck, when they apprehend all and any people and for any offence?.
As posted before, the bleeding heart liberal virtue signalers, don't want the whole story of an incident to be shown / known, because all too often it does not support their `seen a bit of it in a
video safe smug view' of what actually happened.
If you can show where it is standard police procedure to get people on the ground, and put a knee on their neck, even if the apprehended individual was coming quietly, then I may be able to change my view, but until you can do that, you are just p*ssing in the wind.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Thursday 29th October 11:33

[Pan Pan Pan]

Gadgetmac said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Gadgetmac said:

98elise said:

It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?

If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.

FFS did the frothers on here suddenly all develop cataracts? Nobody was coming at the officers with a knife. He was stood holding a knife at the time he was shot. This detail is important and it doesn't matter how many times it's said that he was coming at the officers when he was shot it doesn't make it true - hence the protests.

That's the trouble with bleeding hearts liberal virtue signalers you only see what you want to see, not what actually happened, and in that state, even specsavers wouldn't be able to help you. (Some sort of psychotherapy might though)
The virtue signalers always have a highly selective buck stop point, to help their erroneous narratives out when they run into the truth..

Bleeding heart Liberal?

Sadly the truth is that you tea party activists can't even see what's in front of your eyes.

That is most definitely the case with you.