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thewarlock said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Of course what happened to Mr Floyd was appalling. But you seem to be either deliberately missing the point, or writing off salient evidence, with the ridiculous reply that in `your' view it is irrelevant.
NO details of this case are irrelevant , unless of course they don't happen to fit in with your oddly biased narrative, .in which case, (as is typical for bleeding heart liberal; virtue signalers who cannot, or do not want to face the `whole' truth) you don't want all the details to be known, especially those that don't support your rather deliberately restricted view of the incident.
So only the details which support `your' view are acceptable, and should be considered, and those that don't, are irrelevant?
What I want to know is ALL of what actually happened between Mr Floyd being an ordinary citizen going quietly about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck, I never once said there was any justification for what happened to him, But I do want know what actually happened. not `just' the bits that support `your' view of the incident.
Stop trying to paint this picture of people that do not agree with you please. It's sad.
I'm glad you agree that it was appalling though.
As for only accepting details that support my opinion, this is simply not true.
If you really want to know what happened, I'm sure you're capable of finding that out by yourself.
You already know this though, correct? And it seems you agree that it's not valid justification for his death, yes?
This just does not happen to citizens who properly comply with police instructions, when being apprehended, no matter who they are. .
So what was Mr Floyd doing which lead to the officers in charge, feeling they needed to get him on the ground and for one of them to kneel on his neck? Do think he was calling them nasty names for example?
Pan Pan Pan said:
Then why can`t you tell us all what happened to change Mr Floyd from being an ordinary citizen to being on the ground with a copper kneeling on his neck?
This just does not happen to citizens who properly comply with police instructions, when being apprehended, no matter who they are. .
So what was Mr Floyd doing which lead to the officers in charge, feeling they needed to get him on the ground and for one of them to kneel on his neck? Do think he was calling them nasty names for example?
You know the ins and outs. There's no need for me to explain it. If it makes you feel better, feel free to post it up here yourself.This just does not happen to citizens who properly comply with police instructions, when being apprehended, no matter who they are. .
So what was Mr Floyd doing which lead to the officers in charge, feeling they needed to get him on the ground and for one of them to kneel on his neck? Do think he was calling them nasty names for example?
I'm not sure what the point would be though, since you appear to agree there is no valid excuse for his death.
At least, that's how it appears, but you're not big on answering questions.
So please, can you confirm whether or not you agree that there was no valid excuse for the way it was handled, and his resultant death?
And if you don't agree, can you please explain why?
Thanks.
Pan Pan Pan said:
thewarlock said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Of course what happened to Mr Floyd was appalling. But you seem to be either deliberately missing the point, or writing off salient evidence, with the ridiculous reply that in `your' view it is irrelevant.
NO details of this case are irrelevant , unless of course they don't happen to fit in with your oddly biased narrative, .in which case, (as is typical for bleeding heart liberal; virtue signalers who cannot, or do not want to face the `whole' truth) you don't want all the details to be known, especially those that don't support your rather deliberately restricted view of the incident.
So only the details which support `your' view are acceptable, and should be considered, and those that don't, are irrelevant?
What I want to know is ALL of what actually happened between Mr Floyd being an ordinary citizen going quietly about his daily business, to being on the ground with a coppers knee on his neck, I never once said there was any justification for what happened to him, But I do want know what actually happened. not `just' the bits that support `your' view of the incident.
Stop trying to paint this picture of people that do not agree with you please. It's sad.
I'm glad you agree that it was appalling though.
As for only accepting details that support my opinion, this is simply not true.
If you really want to know what happened, I'm sure you're capable of finding that out by yourself.
You already know this though, correct? And it seems you agree that it's not valid justification for his death, yes?
This just does not happen to citizens who properly comply with police instructions, when being apprehended, no matter who they are. .
So what was Mr Floyd doing which lead to the officers in charge, feeling they needed to get him on the ground and for one of them to kneel on his neck? Do think he was calling them nasty names for example?
Gadgetmac said:
"Police say they fatally shot Wallace on Monday after he ignored orders to drop a knife, a death that intensified already heightened tensions in the presidential battleground state. Wallace’s mother said she warned police Monday afternoon that her son was in the throes of a mental health crisis."
Not orders to "stand still" or "stay where he was".
https://apnews.com/article/body-cam-911-tapes-walt...
This wouldn't have happened in the UK.
See the threat, deal with the threat.Not orders to "stand still" or "stay where he was".
https://apnews.com/article/body-cam-911-tapes-walt...
This wouldn't have happened in the UK.
Gadgetmac said:
98elise said:
It's easy to come up with a plan when you're sat on your sofa (or a studio) and view the footage over and over. Nobody is coming at you with a knife giving you one chance to make a decision. How many times did you view the footage before deciding what the cops should do? At what point would you have discussed who was doing what with the other cops?
If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.
FFS did the frothers on here suddenly all develop cataracts? Nobody was coming at the officers with a knife. He was stood holding a knife at the time he was shot. This detail is important and it doesn't matter how many times it's said that he was coming at the officers when he was shot it doesn't make it true - hence the protests.If I was an armed police officer dealing with a knifeman coming at me, I would shot and keep shooting until the guy was on the floor. They had seconds to make that decision and they made the right one IMO.
https://youtu.be/VnN6uxw1New
98elise said:
Yes, but.,...... At the EXACT moment the officers opened fire he was stationary. You have to forget the period immediately prior to this, Apparently. andymadmak said:
98elise said:
Yes, but.,...... At the EXACT moment the officers opened fire he was stationary. You have to forget the period immediately prior to this, Apparently. Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
The fact that he had mental issues is unfortunate, but changes nothing IMO, you run at a cop holding a gun, whilst you're waving a knife about, and that's what'll happen.
Not sure if I'm allowed to say that though, as I'm apparently a bleeding heart virtue signalling liberal, or whatever it was.
thewarlock said:
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
The fact that he had mental issues is unfortunate, but changes nothing IMO, you run at a cop holding a gun, whilst you're waving a knife about, and that's what'll happen.
Not sure if I'm allowed to say that though, as I'm apparently a bleeding heart virtue signalling liberal, or whatever it was.
Mikebentley said:
Could have been different outcome if they used a Taser. Obviously someone having severe mental health issues and very sad but they have to make a decision in the moment. I apologise for a lack of detailed knowledge but how often do you need to shoot someone to render them immobile? I know this is a bit of a daft question but there were a lot of shots.
My understanding is that they're trained to shoot until the suspect is on the ground.And yes, maybe he could have been subdued with a taser, but he had a knife, so the cops had their guns out. Do they have time to holster them, and get their tasers out, while this guy runs at them with a knife?
Not sure I'd be taking that chance, personally.
Gadgetmac said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
That is most definitely the case with you.
"Police say they fatally shot Wallace on Monday after he ignored orders to drop a knife, a death that intensified already heightened tensions in the presidential battleground state. Wallace’s mother said she warned police Monday afternoon that her son was in the throes of a mental health crisis."Not orders to "stand still" or "stay where he was".
https://apnews.com/article/body-cam-911-tapes-walt...
This wouldn't have happened in the UK.
Hower, had a UK authorised firearms officer attended there is every chance he would have been shot. You can take a gun to a knife fight. A report of someone ranting in the street with a knife is a firearms deployment all day long and ARVs would be sent to deal with it.
Do we all agree this is case where the TASER was a bad choice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
Mikebentley said:
thewarlock said:
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
The fact that he had mental issues is unfortunate, but changes nothing IMO, you run at a cop holding a gun, whilst you're waving a knife about, and that's what'll happen.
Not sure if I'm allowed to say that though, as I'm apparently a bleeding heart virtue signalling liberal, or whatever it was.
It could take one shot, or many. It depends on how many hit, where they hit, and the damage done.
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
In the UK the police don't have guns but these type of situations still occur without the knifeman taking out 2 constables.
Gadgetmac said:
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
In the UK the police don't have guns but these type of situations still occur without the knifeman taking out 2 constables.
Gadgetmac said:
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
In the UK the police don't have guns but these type of situations still occur without the knifeman taking out 2 constables.
She has been stabbed on duty before.
thewarlock said:
Gadgetmac said:
andymadmak said:
Gadgetmac said:
No, you have to shoot EVERYBODY. Apparently.
Frankly, if he's coming at me with a large knife, and he's already shrugged off his mother's attempts to restrain him, and he's already too close for comfort, and he's giving every indication of continuing, then I'm opening fire. Sorry if that offends you. But people need to take responsibility for their own actions. Would you rather be consoling the widow of a Police Officer that has died in the course of duty, simply because he made the mistake of refusing to believe that the guy with the big knife chasing him around the street wasn't serious in his intent to use it?
In the UK the police don't have guns but these type of situations still occur without the knifeman taking out 2 constables.
She has been stabbed on duty before.
R Mutt said:
Do we all agree this is case where the TASER was a bad choice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
There's definitely some poor training going on that a situation where 2 officers have a person on the ground being tasered end up in a full blown firefight with the person who must have somehow overpowered 2 men and managed to walk back around to the car, reach for a gun and start shooting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
g4ry13 said:
R Mutt said:
Do we all agree this is case where the TASER was a bad choice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
There's definitely some poor training going on that a situation where 2 officers have a person on the ground being tasered end up in a full blown firefight with the person who must have somehow overpowered 2 men and managed to walk back around to the car, reach for a gun and start shooting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk
Also see - Nobody's perfect. PH; the ultimate in armchair experts.
PS. I've been on the receiving end of "friendly fire" - not bullets, but still not very nice.
Also see - s
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