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Evanivitch said:
Liokault said:
I think we are reading the same fact check website.
A few bits you missed:
« Although Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he conducted no business while in China, he did arrange for a photo op with Li and his father, Joe Biden, in a hotel lobby. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker that the meeting with Li, who would soon after become CEO of BHR, was purely social, and that he did not meet with any Chinese government officials
BHR’s initial formation documents were filed in November 2013 — the month before the China trip — but that the business was officially launched with a business license issued 10 days after the visit. Hunter Biden was named to its board of directors. »
So he did do business on the trip. He came away, over time, with 10% of what is now a multi billion dollar fund.
I’m finding this really weird, I’m not even pro trump, I’m just against obvious bias...everything that agrees with your stance is amplified any thing that is counter your stance is ignored.
Because the accusations you make are inconsistent, which is why I provided specific quotes to those false statements.A few bits you missed:
« Although Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he conducted no business while in China, he did arrange for a photo op with Li and his father, Joe Biden, in a hotel lobby. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker that the meeting with Li, who would soon after become CEO of BHR, was purely social, and that he did not meet with any Chinese government officials
BHR’s initial formation documents were filed in November 2013 — the month before the China trip — but that the business was officially launched with a business license issued 10 days after the visit. Hunter Biden was named to its board of directors. »
So he did do business on the trip. He came away, over time, with 10% of what is now a multi billion dollar fund.
I’m finding this really weird, I’m not even pro trump, I’m just against obvious bias...everything that agrees with your stance is amplified any thing that is counter your stance is ignored.
You can keep ignoring that the investment wasn't made until after Joe Biden left office.
Anyway, I really have no dog in this fight, I only started in this direction to highlight the absolutist position that both sides (and posters here) choose to take.
A/ find I’d totally ok that the narrative that Trump was handed the election result in 2016 personally by Putin but at the same time find it abhorrant that trump might suggest that the 2020 election was stolen.
B/ find it totally ok that trump is calling the 2020 election stolen whilst absolutely disregarding any possibility of interference in 2016.
Liokault said:
A/ find I’d totally ok that the narrative that Trump was handed the election result in 2016 personally by Putin
You'd probably do a more convincing job of claiming to only be interested in highlighting hypocrisy if you didn't completely misrepresent one position.Literally nobody in this the thread has made this claim, nor is it one that's actually reflective of the views of anyone on the subject.
AW111 said:
The Trump admin legislation blocked in court was not already in place - that's why it got thrown out.
It got thrown out due to not following the correct procedure. The legality of the DACA program was not ruled upon that's why there are still challenges at a state level.https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/18/texas-daca...
Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Corruption: The Impact on U.S. Government Policy and Related Concerns
U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland
Security and Governmental Affairs
U.S. Senate Committee on Finance
Majority Staff Report
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_F...
"What the Chairmen discovered during the course of this investigation is that the Obama
administration knew that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board was problematic and did
interfere in the efficient execution of policy with respect to Ukraine. Moreover, this
investigation has illustrated the extent to which officials within the Obama administration
ignored the glaring warning signs when the vice president’s son joined the board of a company
owned by a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch. And, as will be discussed in later sections, Hunter Biden
was not the only Biden who cashed in on Joe Biden’s vice presidency.
This report not only details examples of extensive and complex financial transactions
involving the Bidens, it also describes the quandary other U.S. governmental officials faced as
they attempted to guide and support Ukraine’s anticorruption efforts. The Committees will
continue to evaluate the information and evidence as it becomes available."
---
Just because one person in the film is wearing a black hat doesn't mean that the other guy automatically gets a white hat... And for the hacks, yes, I'd say it somewhat pales into some sort of inconsequence in comparison to the Great Orange Penis's more, er, ambitious extravagances with the truth, but it is what it is.
U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland
Security and Governmental Affairs
U.S. Senate Committee on Finance
Majority Staff Report
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_F...
"What the Chairmen discovered during the course of this investigation is that the Obama
administration knew that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board was problematic and did
interfere in the efficient execution of policy with respect to Ukraine. Moreover, this
investigation has illustrated the extent to which officials within the Obama administration
ignored the glaring warning signs when the vice president’s son joined the board of a company
owned by a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch. And, as will be discussed in later sections, Hunter Biden
was not the only Biden who cashed in on Joe Biden’s vice presidency.
This report not only details examples of extensive and complex financial transactions
involving the Bidens, it also describes the quandary other U.S. governmental officials faced as
they attempted to guide and support Ukraine’s anticorruption efforts. The Committees will
continue to evaluate the information and evidence as it becomes available."
---
Just because one person in the film is wearing a black hat doesn't mean that the other guy automatically gets a white hat... And for the hacks, yes, I'd say it somewhat pales into some sort of inconsequence in comparison to the Great Orange Penis's more, er, ambitious extravagances with the truth, but it is what it is.
andy_s said:
Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Corruption: The Impact on U.S. Government Policy and Related Concerns
Lets not forget that this report was basically a Republican stitch-up job whose findings are highly questionable on a purely factual basis. multiple claims enclosed within it are misrepresented, embellished or straight-up factually incorrect.s
t got real..
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tearful-pelosi-says-cong...
“If in fact it is found that members of Congress were accomplices to this insurrection, if they aided and abetted the crime, there may have to be actions taken beyond the Congress in terms of prosecution for that,” she said.
Democratic lawmakers are investigating whether members of Congress gave rioters tours of the Capitol in the days before the violence unfolded.
''The probe follows speculation that Republican members of Congress and Capitol Police may have played a role organising or enabling a deadly mob in support of Donald Trump’s attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election he insists was “stolen” from them.''
t got real..https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tearful-pelosi-says-cong...
“If in fact it is found that members of Congress were accomplices to this insurrection, if they aided and abetted the crime, there may have to be actions taken beyond the Congress in terms of prosecution for that,” she said.
Democratic lawmakers are investigating whether members of Congress gave rioters tours of the Capitol in the days before the violence unfolded.
''The probe follows speculation that Republican members of Congress and Capitol Police may have played a role organising or enabling a deadly mob in support of Donald Trump’s attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election he insists was “stolen” from them.''
I don't think anyone is under any illusions that trump was in any danger, that's the point. Information emerging of Bannon, Stone, and Flynn's involvement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8XuS_G4YWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8XuS_G4YWw
jimmyjimjim said:
Or he wasn't a target, which is more likely still.
Or wasn't directing it and not a target.
Occans razor - he wasn't evacuated, as he would be if he was at risk, because he wasn't at risk.
Agreed. I'm just thinking like the sort of wibblist who'd have posted this on social media.Or wasn't directing it and not a target.
Occans razor - he wasn't evacuated, as he would be if he was at risk, because he wasn't at risk.
paulguitar said:
I'm quite new to Twitter and still trying to get the hang of it. It's fascinating so far, getting into the qanon comments is mindblowing. At the moment they have a big conspiracy theory that on inauguration day, 'space force' is going to cause a worldwide blackout, and trump is going to have most of the Democrats and 'Hollywood elites' arrested for 'crimes against children'.
That's probably the main reason I won't use twitter - it's full of idiots from both sides who crap out what passes for their thoughts straight out to everybody else without engaging their brains.
The tweet you posted is a fascinating/terrifying insight into one end of the spectrum, the others your mention, to the other end.
I'm just waiting for evidence that this was largely arranged on Facebook closed groups instead of parler. That would be interesting. And quite likely.
The tweet you posted is a fascinating/terrifying insight into one end of the spectrum, the others your mention, to the other end.
I'm just waiting for evidence that this was largely arranged on Facebook closed groups instead of parler. That would be interesting. And quite likely.
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