Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
I hate it when people try to get the whole manifesto out in one sentence using 4,000 words at a million miles an hour. In answer Heauauwei Dodds should just have said they would bin it, or not bin it. Same for the other answers but the Marr is not exactly a hard task master and allowed Hancock to get the spin out sans scrutiny.
Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
JagLover said:
Further on the subject of Coronavirus being mainly a Nosocomial Viral disease.
The Sage Minutes themselves, dated 20 March say
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/doc...
So we can compare the U.K. to other countries now?The Sage Minutes themselves, dated 20 March say
Sage said:
If the current ICU demand is being driven largely by nosocomial transmission and increased transmission to vulnerable patients and this process is separate from transmission in the general population then it will not be influenced in the short-term by current measures
We are also far from unique in Europe for having many deaths in care homesFT said:
As the report notes, in the UK care home deaths represent 21 per cent of total deaths. Compare and contrast that with Sweden, which saw care home deaths represent 45 per cent of total deaths, and Spain, which saw care homes represent 66 per cent (the worst in Europe), Belgium 51 per cent and Norway with 61 per cent.
Full reporthttps://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/doc...
I really do lose track on this sort of thing.
Also is it still only half time?
robemcdonald said:
JagLover said:
Further on the subject of Coronavirus being mainly a Nosocomial Viral disease.
The Sage Minutes themselves, dated 20 March say
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/doc...
So we can compare the U.K. to other countries now?The Sage Minutes themselves, dated 20 March say
Sage said:
If the current ICU demand is being driven largely by nosocomial transmission and increased transmission to vulnerable patients and this process is separate from transmission in the general population then it will not be influenced in the short-term by current measures
We are also far from unique in Europe for having many deaths in care homesFT said:
As the report notes, in the UK care home deaths represent 21 per cent of total deaths. Compare and contrast that with Sweden, which saw care home deaths represent 45 per cent of total deaths, and Spain, which saw care homes represent 66 per cent (the worst in Europe), Belgium 51 per cent and Norway with 61 per cent.
Full reporthttps://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/doc...
I really do lose track on this sort of thing.
Also is it still only half time?
Far too many just interested in making cheap political points and have little interest in this virus and how it is best combated and endured as a result.
With clearer focus from the public and media about what actually matters we wouldn't have stumbled into this disastrous extended lockdown policy imo. As we would have questioning the government throughout on the logical grounds for it.
JagLover said:
With clearer focus from the public and media about what actually matters we wouldn't have stumbled into this disastrous extended lockdown policy imo. As we would have questioning the government throughout on the logical grounds for it.
It’s really not the public and the media’s fault the government have mismanaged and are continuing to mismanage the pandemic.People and the media have been questioning the government constantly on all aspects of their actions.
The problems are numerous but at the core is a PM who isn’t into details and an ineffectual cabinet of yes men making poor decisions and now being led by polls and public opinion as they’ve made such a mess of the first half and are looking ahead to the inevitable inquiries.
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
With clearer focus from the public and media about what actually matters we wouldn't have stumbled into this disastrous extended lockdown policy imo. As we would have questioning the government throughout on the logical grounds for it.
It’s really not the public and the media’s fault the government have mismanaged and are continuing to mismanage the pandemic.People and the media have been questioning the government constantly on all aspects of their actions.
The problems are numerous but at the core is a PM who isn’t into details and an ineffectual cabinet of yes men making poor decisions and now being led by polls and public opinion as they’ve made such a mess of the first half and are looking ahead to the inevitable inquiries.
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
With clearer focus from the public and media about what actually matters we wouldn't have stumbled into this disastrous extended lockdown policy imo. As we would have questioning the government throughout on the logical grounds for it.
It’s really not the public and the media’s fault the government have mismanaged and are continuing to mismanage the pandemic.People and the media have been questioning the government constantly on all aspects of their actions.
Some seem to think it is sufficient to blame it all on Boris and that will solve everything. In reality we will all of us be left living in a country with a devastated economy as a result.
JagLover said:
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
With clearer focus from the public and media about what actually matters we wouldn't have stumbled into this disastrous extended lockdown policy imo. As we would have questioning the government throughout on the logical grounds for it.
It’s really not the public and the media’s fault the government have mismanaged and are continuing to mismanage the pandemic.People and the media have been questioning the government constantly on all aspects of their actions.
Some seem to think it is sufficient to blame it all on Boris and that will solve everything. In reality we will all of us be left living in a country with a devastated economy as a result.
Boris seems intent on crashing on being led by polls and Cummings and Karen from Facebook and avoiding any scrutiny until it’s all over and it’s too late to fix anything.
JagLover said:
Many on here used to follow the daily briefings and I watched a few as well. Most of the questions seemed to consist of "why cant the government magic up PPE" "why cant the government create a testing industry from scratch in a few days" and so on. There has been almost no questioning in the MSM from the very start on the big issues. Including the fundamental justification for lockdown, but also the true risk profile of those affected by the virus.
The questions concerning PPE were justified. The fact is that government chose not to procure lots of PPE when they had the chance. Apparently they didn't see the email inviting them to be part of the European procurement plan.Contact tracing was abandoned on 12 March just when it should have been massively ramped up.
Little was known about the disease at the start of all this (you said that yourself) but now you are backtracking and saying lockdown was unnecessary. You can't have it both ways.
ant1973 said:
Having just listened to Dodds on Marr, I don't think Boris has anything to worry about. If that's the best they have, Labour are in is much trouble as the Tories.
I've seen Dodds interviewed a number of times now, and she does little to inspire confidence in Labour and what they stand for.People criticise many in the Tory cabinet, and more as often as not that criticism is justified (one example - Williamson, woeful!), but Dodds falls very much in the same woeful camp.
don'tbesilly said:
ant1973 said:
Having just listened to Dodds on Marr, I don't think Boris has anything to worry about. If that's the best they have, Labour are in is much trouble as the Tories.
I've seen Dodds interviewed a number of times now, and she does little to inspire confidence in Labour and what they stand for.People criticise many in the Tory cabinet, and more as often as not that criticism is justified (one example - Williamson, woeful!), but Dodds falls very much in the same woeful camp.
Dodds is a funny one though, served under McDonnell but another PPE graduate from Oxford having been at private school and LSE also. Definitely more blairite/Starmer than old corbyn labour. I don’t think she’s about to go in the Starmer purges.
Red 4 said:
The questions concerning PPE were justified.
After the first couple of briefings, the questions about PPE were about as useful as my kids asking "Are we nearly there?" every five minutes in the car.That was (is) the problem with our elite squad of journalists - an astonishing inability to take the information they have just elicited and use it to ask the next question, rather than repeating the existing one in slightly different ways. Right up to the final briefing it was clear some of them still don't understand what R means.
Certainly questioning the government is justified, but these guys were asking primary school questions.
"Would you agree, Minister, that we don't currently know if we're there yet?"
Zirconia said:
Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
Apparently there is an interesting research paper from about five years ago that says putting up very expensive medium orbit satellites to do GPS is not entirely necessary. Low earth orbit satellites can actually deliver a stronger, more accurate signal if you've got some smarter infrastructure on the ground.The suggestion is that the firm they've bought has the infrastructure and scale to put up the necessary constellation to deliver both universal broadband and an independent GPS system. They have proven their technology with 68 sats, but the company plan was to build out to 600+ - and possibly even do a Starlink and put up a few thousand.
It's a shared deal with an Indian company I believe, so it might look like India gets universal broadband and the UK gets GPS.
don'tbesilly said:
People criticise many in the Tory cabinet, and more as often as not that criticism is justified (one example - Williamson, woeful!), but Dodds falls very much in the same woeful camp.
Sadly, this is a fair assessment. I say sadly, because you'd like to think that our politicians in government and opposition were of a high quality. On the whole, they are - as you say - woeful. That includes the SNP who are more nutjob than woeful, but still. It doesn't bode well for this country's future.That said, those in central government are superstars compared to some of the utter numpties I see locally in county/borough/parish councils. Those guys are a whole new level of incompetent and ideological.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Because when the Government are rewriting guidelines to allow the re-use of PPE intended for single use the issue is definitely those pesky journalists who dare to ask questions.
Don't be obtuse. I'm all for questions being asked, but the questions being asked on here by laymen are more insightful than the vacuous nonsense we have seen from much of the media over the pandemic. They are meant to be eliciting and examining the government's strategy so we can all understand it (and understand where it is severely lacking) - I don't believe they've done that job very well.Or is it all Boris fault?
Tuna said:
Zirconia said:
Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
Apparently there is an interesting research paper from about five years ago that says putting up very expensive medium orbit satellites to do GPS is not entirely necessary. Low earth orbit satellites can actually deliver a stronger, more accurate signal if you've got some smarter infrastructure on the ground.The suggestion is that the firm they've bought has the infrastructure and scale to put up the necessary constellation to deliver both universal broadband and an independent GPS system. They have proven their technology with 68 sats, but the company plan was to build out to 600+ - and possibly even do a Starlink and put up a few thousand.
It's a shared deal with an Indian company I believe, so it might look like India gets universal broadband and the UK gets GPS.
Zirconia said:
I hate it when people try to get the whole manifesto out in one sentence using 4,000 words at a million miles an hour. In answer Heauauwei Dodds should just have said they would bin it, or not bin it. Same for the other answers but the Marr is not exactly a hard task master and allowed Hancock to get the spin out sans scrutiny.
Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
Road charging!Speaking of tech, what is Cummings plan with the satellite firm they have just bought (US permission pending)?
Tuna said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Because when the Government are rewriting guidelines to allow the re-use of PPE intended for single use the issue is definitely those pesky journalists who dare to ask questions.
Don't be obtuse. I'm all for questions being asked, but the questions being asked on here by laymen are more insightful than the vacuous nonsense we have seen from much of the media over the pandemic. They are meant to be eliciting and examining the government's strategy so we can all understand it (and understand where it is severely lacking) - I don't believe they've done that job very well.Or is it all Boris fault?
Tuna said:
Don't be obtuse. I'm all for questions being asked, but the questions being asked on here by laymen are more insightful than the vacuous nonsense we have seen from much of the media over the pandemic. They are meant to be eliciting and examining the government's strategy so we can all understand it (and understand where it is severely lacking) - I don't believe they've done that job very well.
Or is it all Boris fault?
Definitely not.Or is it all Boris fault?
He's only the Prime Minister and you can't expect him to be accountable or take any responsibility for the Government's handling of this pandemic.
Even when he said "I take full responsibility for everything this government has been doing in tackling coronavirus and I am very proud of our record".
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