Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

[Unknown_User]

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

[anonymous-user]

gooner1 said:

None of the above is an excuse for paying a pittance to those that help and support patients of all ages going through the hardest
times in their lives. How do you train or educate someone to comfort a child in severe pain and discomfort, that is not a transferable skill and has nothing to do with a having a good education?
Btw, what makes you imagine that auxiliary nurses are bereft of a decent education?

Gooner it’s basic economics and the same in most organisations. If you want more responsibility and money you have to get promoted or change role. You do that by gaining some extra qualifications or getting some training.

If people want to do the lower paid jobs when they’ve got good qualifications for whatever reason, that’s great and up to them. Presumably the reward they get is in doing a good job more than being about the pay they receive.

As I said it’s not about what’s most “worthy” it’s simply about costs in replacing people and their training etc and skill sets for certain jobs.

[Brave Fart]

Unknown_User said:

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

Eh? The NHS must spend lots of money on a non-medical position, when we're told all the time there's not enough funding? And when many people complain about unnecessary layers of management? Seems to me the priorities are all wrong. But hey, were not allowed to criticise the NHS because "it must be protected", right?

[Tuna]

Unknown_User said:

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

What, the NHS is paying people to fight racists on Pistonheads?! Is there no end to the wonder of the NHS?

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Unknown_User said:

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

What, the NHS is paying people to fight racists on Pistonheads?! Is there no end to the wonder of the NHS?

It’s true. I’m coining in that woke whitey wonga, I miss the clap for the NHS though tbh.

[Oilchange]

You miss the what?

[Crackie]

Smiler. said:

El stovey said:

Seems good value for that kind of important junior management position, I expect you’d get a lot more than that doing a similar role in the private sector or for someone big like the BBC. They’ve probably earned the NHS much more in money they’ve saved the NHS.

They have to pay those kind of salaries to get the right kind of graduates these days.

I’m surprised by the levels of jealousy on here TBH, I thought people approved of the kind of market forces that set these salaries.

Top trolling.

It wasn't that good.......

[Helicopter123]

Unknown_User said:

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

Indeed, if you're not part of the solution...

[anonymous-user]

Some good news for theatres and the arts

https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/news/coronavirus-g...

“ Coronavirus: Government commits to £1.57bn emergency investment in UK culture”

[Crackie]

Unknown_User said:

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

No Piha, it doesn't.........

Several posters on here appear to be questioning Derby and Burton's need for an whole additional Department, with associated senior and junior management roles etc etc to take care of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity in a trust which already contains a department for "People and Organisational Development".

As others have mentioned...........not quite sure why it is a topic in the Boris thread though.

Edited by Crackie on Monday 6th July 16:17

[Unknown_User]

Crackie said:

Unknown_User said:

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

No Piha, it doesn't.

Several posters on here appear to be questioning Derby and Burton's need for an whole additional Department, with associated senior and junior management roles etc etc to take care of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity in a trust which already contains a department for "People and Organisational Development".

Firstly you have to ask yourself if the role has been made redundant, if not then the job still exists. If the NHS Trust isn't reporting any issues pertaining to a lack of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity and the role has become available, then I firmly believe the good work should continue, as should the position.

[andy_s]

Unknown_User said:

Crackie said:

Unknown_User said:

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

No Piha, it doesn't.

Several posters on here appear to be questioning Derby and Burton's need for an whole additional Department, with associated senior and junior management roles etc etc to take care of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity in a trust which already contains a department for "People and Organisational Development".

Firstly you have to ask yourself if the role has been made redundant, if not then the job still exists. If the NHS Trust isn't reporting any issues pertaining to a lack of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity and the role has become available, then I firmly believe the good work should continue, as should the position.

Gotta make that, otherwise useless, Critical Theory degree earn you some money I suppose. Has anyone read any of their output? It's complete biscuits.

[bitchstewie]

Well his comments on care homes have gone down very well.

Johnson said:

One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.

Johnson said:

We discovered too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we’re learning lessons the whole time.

Remember though he takes full responsibility for everything his government has been doing in tackling coronavirus and is very proud of their record.

[Zirconia]

Wonder if that responsibility includes various contracts with certain firms they are not commenting on.

[Tuna]

bhstewie said:

Remember though he takes full responsibility for everything his government has been doing in tackling coronavirus and is very proud of their record.

84% of care homes are privately owned - it's going to be interesting to see how inspections and legal requirements change after the coronavirus. Expect the cost of elderly care to rocket.

[Crackie]

Unknown_User said:

Crackie said:

Unknown_User said:

Helicopter123 said:

Brave Fart said:

Unknown_User said:

There are so many on here today that come across as being utterly envious of what other people might earn. It's a curious little clique that exists on NP&E at times.

That's not how I interpreted most comments. I didn't see envy, so much as irritation that our taxes are being spent on a completely pointless job that shouldn't even exist. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe this position is vital in some way, but my guess is that several posters here, me included, remain to be convinced.

The Irony of course, is that it is the very attitudes found in some of the darker corners of NP&E that mean jobs such as this one exist in the first place.

And the bit in bold perfectly highlights why positions like the one advertised are still required.

No Piha, it doesn't.

Several posters on here appear to be questioning Derby and Burton's need for an whole additional Department, with associated senior and junior management roles etc etc to take care of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity in a trust which already contains a department for "People and Organisational Development".

Firstly you have to ask yourself if the role has been made redundant, if not then the job still exists. If the NHS Trust isn't reporting any issues pertaining to a lack of Equality, Inclusivity and Diversity and the role has become available, then I firmly believe the good work should continue, as should the position.

If the trust isn't reporting any issue pertaining to a lack of Equality, Inclusivity, and Diversity. You would have a whole NHS department in the Derby and Burton trust employed to resolve a problem that doesn't exist................you may as well have a department responsible checking and reporting on whether or not gravity is still a thing.

[anonymous-user]

Crackie said:

If the trust isn't reporting any issue pertaining to a lack of Equality, Inclusivity, and Diversity. You would have a whole NHS department in the Derby and Burton trust employed to resolve a problem that doesn't exist................you may as well have a department responsible checking and reporting on whether or not gravity is still a thing.

My OH been WFH today preparing documentation and paperwork for an upcoming CQC compliance visit....... Apparently Equality, Inclusivity, and Diversity is something they check on quite vigorously.

[Tuna]

catweasle said:

My OH been WFH today preparing documentation and paperwork for an upcoming CQC compliance visit....... Apparently Equality, Inclusivity, and Diversity is something they check on quite vigorously.

And it all makes work for the working man (or woman) to do...

I'm quite conflicted on this - I'm strongly in favour of equality, inclusivity and diversity having spent a career in an industry that swings from the sublime to the ridiculous. However, it feels like it should be the natural remit of an existing HR function, not an additional job (or, in this case, entire department).

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

catweasle said:

My OH been WFH today preparing documentation and paperwork for an upcoming CQC compliance visit....... Apparently Equality, Inclusivity, and Diversity is something they check on quite vigorously.

And it all makes work for the working man (or woman) to do...

I'm quite conflicted on this - I'm strongly in favour of equality, inclusivity and diversity having spent a career in an industry that swings from the sublime to the ridiculous. However, it feels like it should be the natural remit of an existing HR function, not an additional job (or, in this case, entire department).

Not sure what level this goes down to but for Senior positions:

1. all identifying information, race, age, sex etc for each applicant is removed. (even if in house applicants).

2. 2 separate Staff focus Group meetings made up of potential colleagues, staff members, Union reps, RCN representatives.

Only those that get through these stages and approved by the focus groups, regardless of qualifications etc will then get through to the final interview which include senior HR staff.......... all stages of the process are strictly controlled / structured and Q's etc are identical for all parties even if they are internal applicants.

Given my OH's hospital, as I have stated before, is 80%+ BAME this is reflected in the focus groups as well but there is no getting away from the fact that, even at her hospital, BAME are under-represented in senior roles but I don't see how it can be due to racism.............Cue the abusers.

[Sway]

bhstewie said:

Well his comments on care homes have gone down very well.

Johnson said:

One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.

Johnson said:

We discovered too many care homes didn’t really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we’re learning lessons the whole time.

Remember though he takes full responsibility for everything his government has been doing in tackling coronavirus and is very proud of their record.

Yet I think what he said is bang on - especially when he was clear there should be more government support.

However, it must be recognised that care homes by definition contain highly medically vulnerable people, irrespective of a pandemic.

They have the capability to fairly easily completely isolate the residents, with full sanitation for staff and items moving between rooms.

The vast majority are private run.

They require high levels of training and certification.

Yes, asymptomatic transmission was poorly understood, but I cannot help but think that care homes could and indeed should have done better.