Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)

[anonymous-user]

newlad said:

What do the Johnson fan boys make of this?

From the Daily Telegraph, by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, international business editor:

Johnson and his cabinet should be torn down. After months of gesticulating gestures, camera focused on a clapping "I love the NHS, I love our carers" propaganda from Downing Street. Yesterday it was time to change clapping for frontline workers to, attacking frontline workers. What Johnson fails to see, is that by blaming carers and care home managers, he is blaming the NHS who saved his life. Nothing happens in a vacumn.

We have all been failed by the ERG Libertarian Brexiteer government ministers who would like you to believe they have our best interest at heart. Every step taken and travelled, has been one where death followed. Of course we would see deaths, but so many? No. World-Beating death rate. Oh what success and greater than 20,000 deaths being a "good outcome".

I will never forgive this government and the men and women who have played with the lives of innocent people. It does not matter what new measures they put in place now, they ignored all the warnings and still they scapegoat.

They stood looking out to sea while wondering why the waves and the sea vanished. The failed to read and interpret all the signs. And then, the tsunami hit it became necessary to pile the blame onto someone. They failed to place a protective ring around the nation, not just the elderly who were left to die. An unforgivable act against humanity.  And the lies and deaths have not stopped.

We are all fodder. Cummings and Johnson must go. No more gaslighting the nation and that is what they are doing when they blame carers for the deaths of the elderly. Men and women who cared so much, they left their families to reside with residents to keep their families safe. Many, as we have come to know, died as a result of the sacrifice they made. So let's scapegoat them now, I mean, they are dead and the dead can't speak. But get this, we can. Call Johnson out and his cabinet. They are all beyond contempt. Let's remember the sacrifice of many. Many families without a mother farther, uncle or aunt because they gave more than what was required of themselves. We can be their voices.

Yes, not the Guardian or Owen Jones, or any other of your favourite lefty bogeymen, the Daily Telegraph, FFS!

Did you copy & paste this?

Have you hot a link please as I can't find this article?

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 7th July 23:49

[BigBiffa]

Alucidnation said:

gooner1 said:

newlad said:

What do the Johnson fan boys make of this?

From the Daily Telegraph, by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, international business editor:

Johnson and his cabinet should be torn down. After months of gesticulating gestures, camera focused on a clapping "I love the NHS, I love our carers" propaganda from Downing Street. Yesterday it was time to change clapping for frontline workers to, attacking frontline workers. What Johnson fails to see, is that by blaming carers and care home managers, he is blaming the NHS who saved his life. Nothing happens in a vacumn.

We have all been failed by the ERG Libertarian Brexiteer government ministers who would like you to believe they have our best interest at heart. Every step taken and travelled, has been one where death followed. Of course we would see deaths, but so many? No. World-Beating death rate. Oh what success and greater than 20,000 deaths being a "good outcome".

I will never forgive this government and the men and women who have played with the lives of innocent people. It does not matter what new measures they put in place now, they ignored all the warnings and still they scapegoat.

They stood looking out to sea while wondering why the waves and the sea vanished. The failed to read and interpret all the signs. And then, the tsunami hit it became necessary to pile the blame onto someone. They failed to place a protective ring around the nation, not just the elderly who were left to die. An unforgivable act against humanity.  And the lies and deaths have not stopped.

We are all fodder. Cummings and Johnson must go. No more gaslighting the nation and that is what they are doing when they blame carers for the deaths of the elderly. Men and women who cared so much, they left their families to reside with residents to keep their families safe. Many, as we have come to know, died as a result of the sacrifice they made. So let's scapegoat them now, I mean, they are dead and the dead can't speak. But get this, we can. Call Johnson out and his cabinet. They are all beyond contempt. Let's remember the sacrifice of many. Many families without a mother farther, uncle or aunt because they gave more than what was required of themselves. We can be their voices.

Yes, not the Guardian or Owen Jones, or any other of your favourite lefty bogeymen, the Daily Telegraph, FFS!

Ah, lovely and right on time. You might just be the one who could point out where our PM blamed care workers employed by care homes or in the NHS for that matter.

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

He said "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in a way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time." I don't know how you read that but if you got that feedback in a staff appraisal you'd ask what do you mean could, I had the guidance at the time which has proven to be poor, I followed it and now you say I could have done differently, but only because of what we now know. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, but perhaps we shouldn't have shifted all those people out of hospital with-out being tested. And the answer now is we're going to test care home staff and residents twice a week, but that isn't useful now, it would have been back in March but that wasn't the procedure then.

[gooner1]

Alucidnation said:

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

Can’t see why that is tbh, I mean his accusers were/are so adamant as to what our PM actually said that it should be just a matter
of seconds till the transcript was produced.

I’m beginning to come to the conclusion that some but by no means all of his detractors, and lord knows he has his faults, have heard what they actually wished he had said instead of what he actually said. Maybe one or two are actually fibbing, some have even started to suggest our PM was supposedly blaming the buildings, which has to be one of the weirdest ways to admit they
were wrong in the first instance.

[TheMal28]

gooner1 said:

Alucidnation said:

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

Can’t see why that is tbh, I mean his accusers were/are so adamant as to what our PM actually said that it should be just a matter
of seconds till the transcript was produced.

I’m beginning to come to the conclusion that some but by no means all of his detractors, and lord knows he has his faults, have heard what they actually wished he had said instead of what he actually said. Maybe one or two are actually fibbing, some have even started to suggest our PM was supposedly blaming the buildings, which has to be one of the weirdest ways to admit they
were wrong in the first instance.

Are you serious?

His words were "too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures".

Which procedures is he referring to? Which government set procedure did they fail to follow?

Edit; Maybe The Government should focus on their failing, the WHO were banging the drum of "Test, Test, Test" in February, the same time we were shutting down our testing regime.

Edited by TheMal28 on Wednesday 8th July 00:24

[gooner1]

BigBiffa said:

He said "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in a way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time." I don't know how you read that but if you got that feedback in a staff appraisal you'd ask what do you mean could, I had the guidance at the time which has proven to be poor, I followed it and now you say I could have done differently, but only because of what we now know. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, but perhaps we shouldn't have shifted all those people out of hospital with-out being tested. And the answer now is we're going to test care home staff and residents twice a week, but that isn't useful now, it would have been back in March but that wasn't the procedure then.

If it was a staff appraisal, it would have come from the relevant staff management or owners, and the questions should be put to
them. If managers were unclear on procedures then they should have sought guidance at the time, not now.
Is it your opinion that only care homes with patients returned or admitted from hospital suffered fatalities, was there no previous
guidance on contagious disease procedures, should not all care homes have stocks of suitable masks for both staff and inhabitants? Btw why have you shortened Johnson’s quote?

[mx5nut]

markyb_lcy said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s utterly staggering to see the Dom Cum/Boris ultras rounding on care workers, just so their political idols don’t appear compromised.

But not in the slightest bit surprising really.

It makes you wonder what he'd have to say for them not to blindly defend him at this point.

[skwdenyer]

gooner1 said:

For what it’s worth, I have previously voted Labour but in all honesty could not square the idea that they would have been the best
choice for our country. So voted for the least likely to damage it.

That choice may not have aged well. Out of interest, and (I hope) without it descending into the usual nonsense, in what ways do you think a Labour government would have handled this worse?

[jakesmith]

mx5nut said:

markyb_lcy said:

Unknown_User said:

It’s utterly staggering to see the Dom Cum/Boris ultras rounding on care workers, just so their political idols don’t appear compromised.

But not in the slightest bit surprising really.

It makes you wonder what he'd have to say for them not to blindly defend him at this point.

Or, conversely, how well he could do and the morons would still find fault

[BigBiffa]

gooner1 said:

BigBiffa said:

He said "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in a way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time." I don't know how you read that but if you got that feedback in a staff appraisal you'd ask what do you mean could, I had the guidance at the time which has proven to be poor, I followed it and now you say I could have done differently, but only because of what we now know. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, but perhaps we shouldn't have shifted all those people out of hospital with-out being tested. And the answer now is we're going to test care home staff and residents twice a week, but that isn't useful now, it would have been back in March but that wasn't the procedure then.

If it was a staff appraisal, it would have come from the relevant staff management or owners, and the questions should be put to
them. If managers were unclear on procedures then they should have sought guidance at the time, not now.
Is it your opinion that only care homes with patients returned or admitted from hospital suffered fatalities, was there no previous
guidance on contagious disease procedures, should not all care homes have stocks of suitable masks for both staff and inhabitants? Btw why have you shortened Johnson’s quote?

You're quite right, I shortened it to the sentence that was most contentious, I've missed out some verbatim errs and ums but I think that's the full sentence. The management of the homes were given guidance at the time, most of which has proven to be lacking, some home owners thought the process was so poor they refused to accept hospital discharges. But I see now it was their fault, they should have questioned the guidance at the time as each care home has access to a committee of health and scientific experts. Or is that the Government that got it wrong but is shifting blame.

[skwdenyer]

gooner1 said:

BigBiffa said:

He said "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in a way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time." I don't know how you read that but if you got that feedback in a staff appraisal you'd ask what do you mean could, I had the guidance at the time which has proven to be poor, I followed it and now you say I could have done differently, but only because of what we now know. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, but perhaps we shouldn't have shifted all those people out of hospital with-out being tested. And the answer now is we're going to test care home staff and residents twice a week, but that isn't useful now, it would have been back in March but that wasn't the procedure then.

If it was a staff appraisal, it would have come from the relevant staff management or owners, and the questions should be put to
them. If managers were unclear on procedures then they should have sought guidance at the time, not now.
Is it your opinion that only care homes with patients returned or admitted from hospital suffered fatalities, was there no previous
guidance on contagious disease procedures, should not all care homes have stocks of suitable masks for both staff and inhabitants? Btw why have you shortened Johnson’s quote?

1. Managers who followed it aren't saying the guidance was unclear;
2. Many managers ignored official guidance in favour of stricter standards - their homes seem to have fared better;
3. Those who did question guidance reported at the time receiving no further assistance;
4. In general, care home operators expect sick residents to be treated in an appropriate setting (often hospital), not to be refused treatment and rely upon care home staff to implement infectious disease control measures - don't forget, these are not hospitals;
5. The guidance on PPE use mandates the *extensive* use of single-use items, at levels far exceeding any previously-imagined rate - since even the NHS did not have a viable stockpile sufficient to meet the need, why do you suppose care homes would have held larger (relatively speaking) stocks?

[TheMal28]

skwdenyer said:

gooner1 said:

BigBiffa said:

He said "We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in a way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time." I don't know how you read that but if you got that feedback in a staff appraisal you'd ask what do you mean could, I had the guidance at the time which has proven to be poor, I followed it and now you say I could have done differently, but only because of what we now know. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing, but perhaps we shouldn't have shifted all those people out of hospital with-out being tested. And the answer now is we're going to test care home staff and residents twice a week, but that isn't useful now, it would have been back in March but that wasn't the procedure then.

If it was a staff appraisal, it would have come from the relevant staff management or owners, and the questions should be put to
them. If managers were unclear on procedures then they should have sought guidance at the time, not now.
Is it your opinion that only care homes with patients returned or admitted from hospital suffered fatalities, was there no previous
guidance on contagious disease procedures, should not all care homes have stocks of suitable masks for both staff and inhabitants? Btw why have you shortened Johnson’s quote?

1. Managers who followed it aren't saying the guidance was unclear;
2. Many managers ignored official guidance in favour of stricter standards - their homes seem to have fared better;
3. Those who did question guidance reported at the time receiving no further assistance;
4. In general, care home operators expect sick residents to be treated in an appropriate setting (often hospital), not to be refused treatment and rely upon care home staff to implement infectious disease control measures - don't forget, these are not hospitals;
5. The guidance on PPE use mandates the *extensive* use of single-use items, at levels far exceeding any previously-imagined rate - since even the NHS did not have a viable stockpile sufficient to meet the need, why do you suppose care homes would have held larger (relatively speaking) stocks?

In addition on point 5 it was mentioned on LBC (Sheila) during an interview that care home supplies were redirected from the care homes to hospital, which is believable.

[JagLover]

newlad said:

Yes, not the Guardian or Owen Jones, or any other of your favourite lefty bogeymen, the Daily Telegraph, FFS!

You say the Daily Telegraph as if it should be shocking that the so called Tory press should be after Boris.

The Daily Telegraph was one of those gunning for Cummings and misreported the Durham police statement when it was made.

The Daily Telegraph may employ Conservative commentators, like Charles Moore, but its only ideology is the service of money and power. Just like the rest of our MSM. They want Boris crippled or gone. He served his purpose by seeing off Corbyn and delivering a healthy Tory majority. They have one of their own as Labour leader now so he is surplus to requirements.

[Unknown_User]

JagLover said:

You say the Daily Telegraph as if it should be shocking that the so called Tory press should be after Boris.

The Daily Telegraph was one of those gunning for Cummings and misreported the Durham police statement when it was made.

The Daily Telegraph may employ Conservative commentators, like Charles Moore, but its only ideology is the service of money and power. Just like the rest of our MSM. They want Boris crippled or gone. He served his purpose by seeing off Corbyn and delivering a healthy Tory majority. They have one of their own as Labour leader now so he is surplus to requirements.

When the Torygraph turns on a tory government then you know there has been a monumental error of judgement by said Gov.

And in other news it looks like the Dom Cum/Boris Gov are set to resume arms sales to Saudi Arabia. The same Saudi Arabia that is bombing civilians in Yemen and murders it own citizens in its embassy's.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53324251

Well done Dom Cum/Boris & chums.

[turbobloke]

Unknown_User said:

JagLover said:

You say the Daily Telegraph as if it should be shocking that the so called Tory press should be after Boris.

The Daily Telegraph was one of those gunning for Cummings and misreported the Durham police statement when it was made.

The Daily Telegraph may employ Conservative commentators, like Charles Moore, but its only ideology is the service of money and power. Just like the rest of our MSM. They want Boris crippled or gone. He served his purpose by seeing off Corbyn and delivering a healthy Tory majority. They have one of their own as Labour leader now so he is surplus to requirements.

When the Torygraph turns on a tory government then you know there has been a monumental error of judgement by said Gov.

No, you don't.

[mx5nut]

Unknown_User said:

When the Torygraph turns on a tory government then you know there has been a monumental error of judgement by said Gov.

Not just a Tory government - a Boris Johnson government - their man in Number 10!

[Smollet]

gooner1 said:

So I take it from the “replies” so far received that Boris didn’t mention care workers at all.
I must say that all the accusations from the usual suspects came as no surprise! I just didn’t realise they had so many groupies.

Anyway, now that unpleasant accusation has been proven to be just so much BS, I wonder if any of the now apologetic accusers
think our PM may have been referring to some, but by no means all owners and/or managers.

I must admit until I saw the interview I was under the impression he’d blamed care workers specifically which he clearly didn’t.

[frisbee]

Alucidnation said:

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!

[anonymous-user]

Smollet said:

gooner1 said:

So I take it from the “replies” so far received that Boris didn’t mention care workers at all.
I must say that all the accusations from the usual suspects came as no surprise! I just didn’t realise they had so many groupies.

Anyway, now that unpleasant accusation has been proven to be just so much BS, I wonder if any of the now apologetic accusers
think our PM may have been referring to some, but by no means all owners and/or managers.

I must admit until I saw the interview I was under the impression he’d blamed care workers specifically which he clearly didn’t.

Where has the whole care workers or care homes thing come from?

He blamed care homes for not following procedures and I expect people are assuming care workers work in care homes, i.e. he wasn’t blaming the building itself but the people who work in them. Who are called care workers.

If he said (too many) care homes didn’t follow procedures it’s not a stretch to imagine it’s the care workers in the care homes who didn’t follow procedures. Otherwise who didn’t follow the procedures? Maybe it’s the care home managers who aren’t care workers in some people’s eyes?



https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johns...

“ Mr Johnson replied: "One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.

"We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time.”



At least we’ve moved on from people here yesterday saying he didn’t blame care homes though. Yesterday it was all “yeah he’s not blaming anyone, now it’s yeah he didn’t actually say care workers did he?”

I suppose it’s hard to defend now that Hancock had to read out more Cummings produced clarifications and care homes themselves are on the news saying they’re upset by Boris’s statement.

[robemcdonald]

frisbee said:

Alucidnation said:

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!

Or choose to pretend it was never answered.

[anonymous-user]

robemcdonald said:

frisbee said:

Alucidnation said:

None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.

Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!

Or choose to pretend it was never answered.

Exactly. It’s been answered loads.

Next it will be “where did boris actually blame a care worker by name! Why can nobody answer that I wonder” !!!!

The contortions people are going to to defend his statement are hilarious. It’s perfectly clear he’s made a mistake by blaming care homes. The government have already had to do some damage limitation.

Why is anyone surprised Boris who’s a liar and doesn’t accept responsibility for anything is starting to blame everyone else for his government’s mishandling of the crisis. This is just the start and great to see he’s not going to get an easy ride each time he tries it.