Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
gooner1 said:
frisbee said:
Alucidnation said:
None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.
Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!
Another poster unable to answer.
Never mind, enjoy your day cottaging frisbee.
Here it is again.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johns...
Mr Johnson replied: "One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.
"We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time.”
El stovey said:
gooner1 said:
frisbee said:
Alucidnation said:
None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.
Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!Another poster unable to answer.
Never mind, enjoy your day cottaging frisbee.
Here it is again.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johns...
Mr Johnson replied: "One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.
"We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time.”
It's not fair to judge him by the words that he says. The media is so mean to him!
El stovey said:
gooner1 said:
frisbee said:
Alucidnation said:
None of them seem capable of answering that question it seems.
Why bother? It could be written on the side of a bus and you blowjobbers would fervently deny it!Another poster unable to answer.
Never mind, enjoy your day cottaging frisbee.
Here it is again.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-boris-johns...
Mr Johnson replied: "One of the things the crisis has shown is we need to think about how we organise our social care package better and how we make sure we look after people better who are in social care.
"We discovered too many care homes didn't really follow the procedures in the way that they could have but we're learning lessons the whole time.”
Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
El stovey said:
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Boris’s handling of the pandemic has been a disaster and directly led to tens of thousands of extra deaths.....
That's a pretty heavyweight, definitive assertion there. Boris’s handling of the pandemic has been a disaster and directly led to tens of thousands of extra deaths.....
Presumably you have the proof to back it up? Would seem a good way to oust him if you have....
(For the record I'd be saying the same whether it was Johnson, Starmer or even Sturgeon in charge. Would you?).
gooner1 said:
Thank you, absolutely no mention of care home workers not following management directed procedures.
Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
I've asked previously but you've ignored so I'll try again.Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
Which procedures did care home management and / or staff fail to follow?
TheMal28 said:
gooner1 said:
Thank you, absolutely no mention of care home workers not following management directed procedures.
Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
I've asked previously but you've ignored so I'll try again.Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
Which procedures did care home management and / or staff fail to follow?
That’s 2415 documents to read, understand and if necessary implement.
Not all will be relevant, but all must be read and understood.
TheMal28 said:
I've asked previously but you've ignored so I'll try again.
Which procedures did care home management and / or staff fail to follow?
Please see my previous answer to stewie as regards to care home procedures.Which procedures did care home management and / or staff fail to follow?
If you can’t be bothered to read the thread properly, I can’t be bothered to entertain you.
No offence.
gooner1 said:
Please see my previous answer to stewie as regards to care home procedures.
If you can’t be bothered to read the thread properly, I can’t be bothered to entertain you.
No offence.
You’ve just argued against a point nobody has made and are now claiming a win. If you can’t be bothered to read the thread properly, I can’t be bothered to entertain you.
No offence.
Boris has criticised care homes for not following procedures, care home workers work in care homes so they’re the ones that haven’t followed government procedures according to boris.
Who do you think it is that hasn’t followed procedures? The care home building itself or something?
robemcdonald said:
TheMal28 said:
gooner1 said:
Thank you, absolutely no mention of care home workers not following management directed procedures.
Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
I've asked previously but you've ignored so I'll try again.Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
But as someone has already stated , the transcript of our PM’s speech could be written wide on a big red bus, and people will still
try to change what was said. C’est la vie.
Which procedures did care home management and / or staff fail to follow?
That’s 2415 documents to read, understand and if necessary implement.
Not all will be relevant, but all must be read and understood.
Much like any rules and procedures.
El stovey said:
What exactly do you mean then?
You’re constantly saying you’re not defending Boris but then constantly defending him, you’re saying it wasn’t criticism of the care homes but then saying the media are politicising his comments when the media show care home workers saying they’re upset Boris was blaming them.
If you’re not defending him and accept he’s made mistakes, what exactly do you think are the mistakes he’s responsible for during the crisis?
Not being strict enough on what the BBC are allowed to cover.You’re constantly saying you’re not defending Boris but then constantly defending him, you’re saying it wasn’t criticism of the care homes but then saying the media are politicising his comments when the media show care home workers saying they’re upset Boris was blaming them.
If you’re not defending him and accept he’s made mistakes, what exactly do you think are the mistakes he’s responsible for during the crisis?
gooner1 said:
Quite why BJ’s ( steady frisbee) assessment that we need to think about how we look after people in social care has been met
with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
After everyone behaved themselves at the beginning for the pandemic, it seems that now the gloves are off and any political goal is worth attacking.with such vitriol is truly astonishing.
I'm fascinated how two groups can hear the same speech and come away with such wildly differing understandings. Once you get over the emotive and manipulative language being used by the critics though, it seems that they go into each situation with a presumption of malice and interpret everything through that filter. It's a crippling political view.
And here I will defend Boris - or at least the government. That same filter 'edits out' the stuff that contradicts their viewpoint. The government are committing to looking seriously at social care, something that has been demanded for years. Nope, didn't happen. They've committed £1.5 billion to arts. Nope, didn't happen. £2 billion for young unemployed. Lalalala we can't hear you. £2 billion for home improvements. Silence. The calls for serious economic stimulus to help recovery are being met and at best we get a begrudging one line acknowledgement - followed by pages of arguing over the meaning of isolated phrases taken entirely out of context.
Slagathore said:
Fair enough, but i don't think your search is capturing everything either as you haven't specified guidance and advice. The truth obviously lies somewhere in between. The fact that it isn't really obvious make the problem worse.
mx5nut said:
The mental gymnastics from the Johnson club are astounding.
Some of them didn't hear what he said, but just knew it wouldn't be bad.
Some of them did hear what he said, but just knew he didn't mean the words he said.
The implication is that it pretty much means that right now anyone can say or claim anything and get to say later "what I really said was".Some of them didn't hear what he said, but just knew it wouldn't be bad.
Some of them did hear what he said, but just knew he didn't mean the words he said.
It's a fascinating way of doing politics especially the psychology of those who are taken in by it.
robemcdonald said:
Fair enough, but i don't think your search is capturing everything either as you haven't specified guidance and advice.
The truth obviously lies somewhere in between. The fact that it isn't really obvious make the problem worse.
Ah, so I have. Thanks for the heads up. That brings it down to 36.The truth obviously lies somewhere in between. The fact that it isn't really obvious make the problem worse.
mx5nut said:
The mental gymnastics from the Johnson club are astounding.
Some of them didn't hear what he said, but just knew it wouldn't be bad.
Some of them did hear what he said, but just knew he didn't mean the words he said.
Boris has made no mistakes during the pandemic except not sorting out the virulent mediaSome of them didn't hear what he said, but just knew it wouldn't be bad.
Some of them did hear what he said, but just knew he didn't mean the words he said.
Becomes
Maybe things have gone wrong but he's definitely not blaming carehomes
And now
Maybe he blamed carehomes but he didn’t specifically say care home workers
The whole situation has arisen because Boris said carehomes hadn’t followed procedures it’s not the media making it up or twisting his words for political gain, it’s in all the respected media outlets representing the political spectrum because our PM is starting to try to blame others for his failings and that’s still pretty newsworthy.
It’s entirely his own doing.
El stovey said:
You’ve just argued against a point nobody has made and are now claiming a win.
Boris has criticised care homes for not following procedures, care home workers work in care homes so they’re the ones that haven’t followed government procedures according to boris.
Who do you think it is that hasn’t followed procedures? The care home building itself or something?
You actually think buildings instruct workers on procedural manners.Boris has criticised care homes for not following procedures, care home workers work in care homes so they’re the ones that haven’t followed government procedures according to boris.
Who do you think it is that hasn’t followed procedures? The care home building itself or something?
I think that’s where your problems may lie.
Slagathore said:
robemcdonald said:
Fair enough, but i don't think your search is capturing everything either as you haven't specified guidance and advice.
The truth obviously lies somewhere in between. The fact that it isn't really obvious make the problem worse.
Ah, so I have. Thanks for the heads up. That brings it down to 36.The truth obviously lies somewhere in between. The fact that it isn't really obvious make the problem worse.
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