Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
Discussion
andy_s said:
Read the SAGE minutes...
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As I've said before, a better educated public could have got us out of lockdown a lot faster, instead top flight journos were still asking ministers and Health officials how to pass cutlery at a barbeque 9 weeks in. That's one of the shockers for me.
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Agreed on the first snipped point....
As I've said before, a better educated public could have got us out of lockdown a lot faster, instead top flight journos were still asking ministers and Health officials how to pass cutlery at a barbeque 9 weeks in. That's one of the shockers for me.
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As to the better-educated public aspect - which I already agreed with while lamenting Blair's sloganeering - it's not likely to arrive in the near future as the dumbing-down process has already gone too far; it'll take a very unpopular set of measures to make any headway. Young people are no less intelligent as a group and teachers/lecturers no less hard-working than in previous decades, sadly the system has let both down via unchecked political interference. We're now beyond the point of widespread high quality maths subsids within science degrees, not just because students can't cope, neither can the lecturers. This was a headline back in 2012.
"Maths 'too hard for students and dons': Universities Drop Maths From Science Courses"
Back then the RSA Report said:
Decades of substandard maths education in schools has led to a crisis
We get the politicians and journalists we educate, but I wouldn't say we deserve them. No. 10 Briefings illustrate the point.fastraxx said:
Hindsight bias is a wonderful thing. I will be convinced when there is a proper report and investigation completed. Not a bunch of angry politically motivated posts/articles.
This, the present political point scoring and attempts to dislodge DC (as just one example) is quite shameful when there are many other questions to ask and problems assist the Gov on.....but they cannot help themselves.edh said:
I've been commenting on this for what seems like months... It's now been made clear that PHE tracing capacity was tiny & they never even attempted to engage LA's env health teams who had up to 5000 staff who could do this. Then March12 and nothing.. Seems SAGE wasn't interested in TTI
Yup, it was subject of a telegraph article yesterday, stating they stopped TTI because of a shortage of capacity. Going back to Dr North through he stated yesterday that the journalists have not understood what they were reading - it was never intended to have a large TTI capacity as under the 'flu pandemic plan it wouldn't be needed, so TTI capacity was drastically reduced to match the plan......not the other way around.That pesky 'flu plan has a lot to answer for!....
Edited by steveatesh on Monday 1st June 13:29
Edited by steveatesh on Monday 1st June 13:29
steveatesh said:
edh said:
I've been commenting on this for what seems like months... It's now been made clear that PHE tracing capacity was tiny & they never even attempted to engage LA's env health teams who had up to 5000 staff who could do this. Then March12 and nothing.. Seems SAGE wasn't interested in TTI
Yup, it was subject of a telegraph article yesterday, stating they stopped TTI because of a shortage of capacity. Going back to Dr North through he stated yesterday that the journalists have not understood what they were reading - it was never intended to have a large TTI capacity as under the 'flu pandemic plan it wouldn't be needed, so TTI capacity was drastically reduced to match the plan......not the other way around.That pesky 'flu plan has a lot to answer for!....
Edited by steveatesh on Monday 1st June 13:29
Journalists 'not understanding' what they're reading if it doesn't fit their agenda - quite likely.
turbobloke said:
Journalists not understanding what they're reading - quite likely.
Journalists 'not understanding' what they're reading if it doesn't fit their agenda - quite likely.
Exactly Journalists 'not understanding' what they're reading if it doesn't fit their agenda - quite likely.
Hence many of these articles should be taken with a pinch of salt due to these journalists passing everything off as fact
Unknown_User said:
mx5nut said:
WindyCommon said:
Boris looks a shadow of his pre-CV self to me. Like a batsman who’s lost his nerve against fast bowling, he seems unprepared to make the clear and decisive movements necessary. Whether this is a result of his personal CV19 experience, or simply a reaction to the undoubted stress of being PM at a time like this, I am unsure.
But right now he’s not the player he was. Or the player we (s)elected.
His entire career has been hiding from making tough decisions and passing the blame to others when things go wrong.But right now he’s not the player he was. Or the player we (s)elected.
He's utterly out of his depth now the buck stops with him and there are no easy slogans to get him out of it.
Quite an interesting piece on a similar note.
Public trust in UK government over coronavirus falls sharply
Definitely not what you need at precisely the time you're starting to ease the lockdown restrictions.
Excuse the virulent leftist source.
Public trust in UK government over coronavirus falls sharply
Definitely not what you need at precisely the time you're starting to ease the lockdown restrictions.
Excuse the virulent leftist source.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Quite an interesting piece on a similar note.
Public trust in UK government over coronavirus falls sharply
Definitely not what you need at precisely the time you're starting to ease the lockdown restrictions.
Excuse the virulent leftist source.
"Falls sharply"......???? Public trust in UK government over coronavirus falls sharply
Definitely not what you need at precisely the time you're starting to ease the lockdown restrictions.
Excuse the virulent leftist source.
That is a catastrophic collapse in public trust, the Gov have a massive amount of work to do to regain the trust of the British public but I'm sure Boris is just the type of chap that can do it. Is there any other politician in Britain today that would be able to turn such a collapse around other than de Pfeffel? Certainly not Steptoe that's for sure!
Unknown_User said:
"Falls sharply"......????
That is a catastrophic collapse in public trust, the Gov have a massive amount of work to do to regain the trust of the British public but I'm sure Boris is just the type of chap that can do it. Is there any other politician in Britain today that would be able to turn such a collapse around other than de Pfeffel? Certainly not Steptoe that's for sure!
The fall in the government's popularity started the moment Boris laid out his timetable for getting back to normal. There was a big chunk of the public who thought they could sit around in their gardens until a vaccine came along and have been disgruntled to be disabused of that notion.That is a catastrophic collapse in public trust, the Gov have a massive amount of work to do to regain the trust of the British public but I'm sure Boris is just the type of chap that can do it. Is there any other politician in Britain today that would be able to turn such a collapse around other than de Pfeffel? Certainly not Steptoe that's for sure!
Short term "Popularity" in that case could only be bought at the expense of destroying the economy.
JagLover said:
The fall in the government's popularity started the moment Boris laid out his timetable for getting back to normal. There was a big chunk of the public who thought they could sit around in their gardens until a vaccine came along and have been disgruntled to be disabused of that notion.
Short term "Popularity" in that case could only be bought at the expense of destroying the economy.
Yes it's absolutely definitely just that Short term "Popularity" in that case could only be bought at the expense of destroying the economy.
El stovey said:
The Chinese are stoked with their government's handling of it and the French livid with theirs, how unexpected. I noted there was still a 10 point lead over Labour on the Westminster voting intention poll on Saturday. Remarkable really.
Unknown_User said:
"Falls sharply"......????
That is a catastrophic collapse in public trust, the Gov have a massive amount of work to do to regain the trust of the British public but I'm sure Boris is just the type of chap that can do it. Is there any other politician in Britain today that would be able to turn such a collapse around other than de Pfeffel? Certainly not Steptoe that's for sure!
Taken at face value it's rather shocking especially given the timing.That is a catastrophic collapse in public trust, the Gov have a massive amount of work to do to regain the trust of the British public but I'm sure Boris is just the type of chap that can do it. Is there any other politician in Britain today that would be able to turn such a collapse around other than de Pfeffel? Certainly not Steptoe that's for sure!
Couldn't care less about Corbyn or anyone else they aren't in charge right now.
We can't afford to get this wrong and that isn't anything to do with politics.
768 said:
El stovey said:
The Chinese are stoked with their government's handling of it and the French livid with theirs, how unexpected. I noted there was still a 10 point lead over Labour on the Westminster voting intention poll on Saturday. Remarkable really.
768 said:
The Chinese are stoked with their government's handling of it and the French livid with theirs, how unexpected.
I noted there was still a 10 point lead over Labour on the Westminster voting intention poll on Saturday. Remarkable really.
Top one’s Vietnam, China’s not on the list. I noted there was still a 10 point lead over Labour on the Westminster voting intention poll on Saturday. Remarkable really.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Yes it's absolutely definitely just that
Its not just thatBut if you look at the popularity charts the fall started the moment Boris gave his TV address setting out his timetable, and steps, for getting back to normal.
Many ignorant people out there in the general population who don't see it as an issue that we are destroying the economy and incurring massive debts.
The measure of the government's success should be how well it balances combating the virus with preserving the economy. Short term popularity is meaningless and would in any case go once the public wakes up to the fact we are in a new great depression.
Government's don't tend to be that popular when there are 4-5 million unemployed.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Oh and something that made me chuckle given the recent debates about clear and concise guidance that is easy to understand.
Right, that does actually clear stuff up lol!I was sent this: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-n...
That linked to this: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-your-hou...
And I couldn't figure out if it was a joke or not. That and I find the way they write and layout reports on those sites hard to parse.
As it turns out, then, what they mean is you can't have someone stay the night. Which to the Mirror means almost exclusively you can't have some one round for a bit of hide the sausage and to the LeicesterMercury it means you can't have anyone inside your house full stop. Typical crap reporting.
Though I did note someone in the comments mentioned that as it hasn't passed through parliament and police can't come into your house or even into your garden to "check" then its all a bit of nonsense.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 1st June 17:07
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