Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 4)
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JPJPJP said:
Would / could the EU put some money up towards the reunification costs? Would that be enough to significantly influence the overall outcome of any vote on the matter in either part of the island?
Doesn't sound a lot like democracy to me. It would in effect be the EU 'buying' Northern Ireland.Brilliant 
"We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
"We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Brilliant
"We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
You understand that this is the ERG raising their ugly head? They don't speak for the government, but they are seeking to influence it, just as various Remain groups are seeking to influence it at this key point in the negotiations."We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
When Blair held private discussions with the EU and instructed them on negotiating with us, do you think what he said was "in good faith"?
Tony Blair resigned on June 27th 2007.
I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
Ask a question about how other countries are supposed to trust our word when negotiating and get back "when Blair...".
I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
Ask a question about how other countries are supposed to trust our word when negotiating and get back "when Blair...".
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Tony Blair resigned on June 27th 2007.
I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
Ask a question about how other countries are supposed to trust our word when negotiating and get back "but Tony Blair...".
I have to say Tuna, the man has a point.I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
Ask a question about how other countries are supposed to trust our word when negotiating and get back "but Tony Blair...".
The govt isn’t responsible for Blair, and he isn’t responsible for the govt. he is but a private citizen like you or I.
Anything he has or hasn’t said to the EU in good faith or bad faith is completely irrelevant.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Tony Blair resigned on June 27th 2007.
I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
"But Blair"
You got super upset when an ex-Australian PM got involved in an unpaid advisory role that apparently only meets four times a year. That was a really big deal.I know people seem to like to bring political parties into this, even ones who haven't been in power for over a decade, but what does someone who resigned and hasn't been in Government for 13 years have to do with anything that I asked about what the current UK Government are doing today?
"But Blair"
As you like Independent links: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ton...
From 2017:
Independent said:
Tony Blair has confirmed he is actively working to reverse Brexit, putting him at odds with the official Labour Party position.
“It is reversible," he told BBC's Radio 4’s The World This Weekend. "It’s not done until it’s done."
Asked if he was trying to overturn the “Brexit coalition” between the Government and the majority of Labour MPs, the former Prime Minister replied: “Yes, exactly so.”
He went on to have secret talks with the EU, promising them there would be a second referendum.“It is reversible," he told BBC's Radio 4’s The World This Weekend. "It’s not done until it’s done."
Asked if he was trying to overturn the “Brexit coalition” between the Government and the majority of Labour MPs, the former Prime Minister replied: “Yes, exactly so.”
You asked if they would trust anything we say in negotiations. It appears Blair was very much part of the negotiations - certainly more so than Abbott. You complained that one couldn't be trusted, but the other magically can?
Just to make it clear - apparently the ERG, a fringe group within the Tory party is "speaking for the government". Yet Tony Blair, who actively did speak with the EU over negotiations is "nothing to do with Brexit".
That is remarkable doublethink. The point of bringing him up was show the rank hypocrisy on display here.
That is remarkable doublethink. The point of bringing him up was show the rank hypocrisy on display here.
Tuna said:
It appears Blair was very much part of the negotiations
No, it does not.Unless he was there with the express approval of the UK govt, then his meeting with the EU was nothing to do with UK govt negotiations with the EU. It's a complete mischaracterisation to say differently.
Tuna said:
markyb_lcy said:
No, it does not.
Unless he was there with the express approval of the UK govt, then his meeting with the EU was nothing to do with UK govt negotiations with the EU. It's a complete mischaracterisation to say differently.
And the ERG are a part of the negotiations?Unless he was there with the express approval of the UK govt, then his meeting with the EU was nothing to do with UK govt negotiations with the EU. It's a complete mischaracterisation to say differently.
At worst, they are trying to influence them as an outside party, as Blair apparently was.
markyb_lcy said:
No, they are not.
At worst, they are trying to influence them as an outside party, as Blair apparently was.
Glad we got there. Now Stewie has a question for you, based on the ERG's position:At worst, they are trying to influence them as an outside party, as Blair apparently was.
Stewie said:
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
The link to Bernard Jenkins article has nothing to do with my question which was simply "could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?"
Presume the next time the likes of Russia or China decide to break international law we'll sit back quietly and not utter so much as a murmur when they say "yes, this does break international law in a very specific and limited way".
Answers that don't include "but Corbyn" or "but Labour" or "but Blair" if possible.
Presume the next time the likes of Russia or China decide to break international law we'll sit back quietly and not utter so much as a murmur when they say "yes, this does break international law in a very specific and limited way".
Answers that don't include "but Corbyn" or "but Labour" or "but Blair" if possible.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Brilliant
"We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
Tad strange he hasn't realised that FS isn't part of the negotiations... "We only voted for it because we thought we didn't have to stand by what we'd agreed"
WESTMINSTER REFLECTIONS: Sir Bernard Jenkin MP asks if there is ‘no deal,’ is that Brexit ‘done’?
Could someone explain to me how when we go to negotiate with other countries they are going to believe a word we say?
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