US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

[Gameface]

blackrabbit said:

Gameface said:

Would you trust Trump with your wife or daughter?

Considering I said no with my money what do you think Of course I wouldn't.

Do you think Trump is better man than Biden?

More integrity? More honest? More reliable? More caring? More considered? More class?

[kowalski655]

blackrabbit said:

So I was correct and everyone got a tax cut. Just like I said numerous times and linked the tax table too. You may not like the percentages but everyone got one and benefited. You are also missing the standard family deduction doubling to 24k from 12k which is a big deal for poorer people without any mortgage etc to write off. Anyway its more of the same. A tax cut that benefited everyone.
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BUT....

alabbasi said:

.. Corporate taxes went down by a huge amount, benefiting large corporations a lot more than small corporations and individuals. Many people saw their taxes increase as while the tax rates were lowered, deductions were also removed or capped. This included medical expenses, mortgage interest, home equity loans and other itemized deductions. Net net: Many people filing taxes at the end of the year ended up paying more. ..

And millions will have a LOT less money thanks to the job losses caused by Trump's woeful handling of the CV-19 crisis. And they lose their healthcare, if not their lives

PS Happy Birthday Bernie Sanders
A man with more integrity & honour in his little finger than the entire Trump family

[Byker28i]

trumps trying to buy the military with a payroll tax cut until the election, but it'll cost them next year

The confirmation for Trump’s tax hit on the troops came in a publication from DOD’s payroll provider from Saturday that almost no one had seen. The policy affects the entire United States military starting Sunday! They aren't allowed to opt out.

No doubt trump will claim the increase as an increase in all military wages.

DoD's payroll provider is the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS); publications are their statement here:
https://dfas.mil/taxes/Social-Security-Deferral/fb...
With Q&A for military service members here:
https://dfas.mil/taxes/Social-Security-Deferral/Mi...
And Q&A for civilian defense contractors here:
https://dfas.mil/taxes/Social-S

Trump’s payroll tax deferral initiative took effect September 1, 2020, but has landed with a thud. The optional program for employers allows them to stop withholding the 6.2 percent Social Security tax that employees pay each pay period for the rest of 2020. Few private employers have publicly announced plans to participate. Employers are balking at having to collect the deferred taxes from employees in the first four months of 2021, the burden of implementing a change to their payroll systems mid-year, and the additional risk of being liable for repayment even if they are unable to recoup the money from employees.

“This payroll tax deferral does not really put money in workers’ pockets, it simply sets up the members of the federal workforce who can least afford it for a big tax bill that many will not expect,” he added.

the promise of “savings” from the payroll tax deferral is a mirage. Americans aren’t saving anything. They are simply paying less in taxes for four months and then paying an equivalent amount four months later. “For those who fail to plan ahead, the payroll tax deferral could turn into a financial planning nightmare in early 2021 with their paychecks slashed by a total of up to $2,232 between January and April,” noted the previous article. “This is especially true for the more than 50 percent of Americans who live paycheck-to-paycheck who may struggle when their take-home lay is suddenly cut.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/09/08/...

[blackrabbit]

Byker28i said:

and changed the subject onto something else when challenged. Same old story

You mean like when you were all wrong about the income tax rates?

Truth is some of you don't like what I have to say about Biden maybe not winning so easily as you think, rather than discuss the overall subject you try and undermine me and the whole discussion like an inexperienced first year law student. Go back and read the links I posted the last couple of pages, kind of enlightening as they are from Democrats. You all should read them and think a little about why the Democratic strategists are worried on current messaging. I notice when I do post a link there is no comment or follow on conversation and if I don't I am accused of lying. Double standard I think. I am not the enemy here just trying to help you understand a different viewpoint and why maybe Trump will win again.

[Countdown]

Byker28i said:

Cohen knows - he's been there seen the truth

Michael Cohen calls Trump a "cult leader." "I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Open your eyes as I have. And I want you to appreciate that Donald Trump cares for no one or anything other than himself."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/cohe...

Cohen's spelling's needs work.....

[blackrabbit]

Gameface said:

Do you think Trump is better man than Biden?

More integrity? More honest? More reliable? More caring? More considered? More class?

To be clear I think Biden is a better person than Trump (marginally).

However I vote on the parties policies. Right now I favor GOP (slightly).

Still a good few weeks to go and I think many still on the fence or leaning slightly one way or other.

[blackrabbit]

kowalski655 said:

And millions will have a LOT less money thanks to the job losses caused by Trump's woeful handling of the CV-19 crisis. And they lose their healthcare, if not their lives

PS Happy Birthday Bernie Sanders
A man with more integrity & honour in his little finger than the entire Trump family

You know Bernie is not popular with many Democrats? In fact I don't even think he is a registered Democrat.

Is your username based on Vanishing Point?

Edited by blackrabbit on Tuesday 8th September 21:07

[Byker28i]

blackrabbit said:

kowalski655 said:

And millions will have a LOT less money thanks to the job losses caused by Trump's woeful handling of the CV-19 crisis. And they lose their healthcare, if not their lives

PS Happy Birthday Bernie Sanders
A man with more integrity & honour in his little finger than the entire Trump family

You know Bernie is not popular with many Democrats? In fact I don't even think he is a registered Democrat.

Sigh - trying to throw more dirt?

Sanders has signed a pledge to the Democratic National Committee to run and serve as a Democrat if elected president and they accepted his running.
FEC Form
https://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/558/20190219914552755...


Remember trump has been a democrat and supported democrat candidates in the past. Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_...

[kowalski655]

blackrabbit said:

kowalski655 said:

And millions will have a LOT less money thanks to the job losses caused by Trump's woeful handling of the CV-19 crisis. And they lose their healthcare, if not their lives

PS Happy Birthday Bernie Sanders
A man with more integrity & honour in his little finger than the entire Trump family

You know Bernie is not popular with many Democrats? In fact I don't even think he is a registered Democrat.

Is your username based on Vanishing Point?

Edited by blackrabbit on Tuesday 8th September 21:07

Already answered by Byker before I saw that but although an Independent senator for Vermont(& Representative & Mayor before that) he does campaign with the Dems.
As to not being popular, he raised millions just from individual donations, had massive support at his rallies pre-Covid,and obviously was second only to Biden in the Primaries. probably more popular with the younger voter due to his policies,such a shame they didnt get out & vote for him(but then again,they maybe were too busy working 3 jobs to afford rent & health care!)
And the user name is indeed based on the awesome character from an amazing film (& NOT the penguin )

[Murph7355]

Countdown said:

Murph7355 said:

Why isn't it?

It's simple. Beacuse The Trump campaign is focussed on throwing as much bullst at Biden as possible which the Biden team are having to spend time disproving. For example "Biden's going to defund the Police", "the radical Left are going to take over" "Biden's going to take away your GUNS". It's the exact same message that Blackrabbit has been posting on here. It's risibly untrue but it takes a little time and effort to disprove. Trump knows he can't win on his record, or his policies or on anything that's based on facts. So he's dragged the debate down into the mud, hoping the undecided voters can't tell the difference between the two, and just don't bother voting.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. It's an exact repeat of "Buttery Males" and "Benghazi" and "Pizzagate" and the Uranium sale and all the other pure unadulterated bullst that Trump spewed. It worked once, and there's a chance it might work again.

Murph7355 said:

What is Biden actually going to do?

What's Trump going to do? Lose another 10m jobs? Cause another 180,000 deaths? Increase the deficit by another 10 trilliion? Build another 6 miles of wall? Nobody asks that because they're too busy parroting the rubbish that he's spouting.....

What Trump is going to do is moot - despite being how he is, he's won one election.

Modern politicians need to get out of the defensive rut. You'd think it would be easy to simply dismiss daft accusations and move the conversation on to the positive that their man will do on the subject where mud is being slung.

Getting drawn into defensive manoeuvres plays into the opponent's hands.

Don't misunderstand me. I think Western societies need far better quality politicians. Pretty much universally. We're getting the politicians we deserve. Trump's a joke, but the joke is on all those getting red faced about "him" and totally missing how to counter him. Including and especially introspection.

Someone needs to break the mould.

The trouble is, electorates have become polarised over a fair period of time. People like Trump, or Johnson or Corbyn aren't the cause of anything. They are a symptom.

I'm not entirely sure why we've become so polarised. I suspect it's a combination of things. Wealth inequality definitely has a massive part to play. But I think what doesn't help is the softly, softly approach that middle ground, grey politicians have taken on it. The difficult options (education, opportunity creation etc to get people mobile in terms of wealth) have been dodged, and the easier paths (benefits, "no faultism" etc) taken.

Those paths are running out of road - too expensive, too ineffective. Fiddling around the edges never works. So I suspect we're in for a sustained period of divisive politics where extreme views take more prominence than they really deserve. Until someone can break the mould

[Gameface]

blackrabbit said:

Gameface said:

Do you think Trump is better man than Biden?

More integrity? More honest? More reliable? More caring? More considered? More class?

To be clear I think Biden is a better person than Trump (marginally).

However I vote on the parties policies. Right now I favor GOP (slightly).

Still a good few weeks to go and I think many still on the fence or leaning slightly one way or other.

What traits do you admire in Trump?

[Murph7355]

Gameface said:

blackrabbit said:

Gameface said:

Do you think Trump is better man than Biden?

More integrity? More honest? More reliable? More caring? More considered? More class?

To be clear I think Biden is a better person than Trump (marginally).

However I vote on the parties policies. Right now I favor GOP (slightly).

Still a good few weeks to go and I think many still on the fence or leaning slightly one way or other.

What traits do you admire in Trump?

Does what he wrote indicate there are any traits he admires in Trump?

He was very clear that his voting is based on policy, not personality. So personal character traits are somewhat moot.

How do you base your voting intent?

[Gameface]

No-one's talking to you.

Blackrabbit and I have been talking all day.

I'm looking for an insight as to why Trump appeals to a Brit.

[Blackpuddin]

blackrabbit said:

Gameface said:

Would you trust Trump with your wife or daughter?

Considering I said no with my money what do you think Of course I wouldn't.

How about with Biden?

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

blackrabbit said:

Schools I think his whole policy is awful and will mean as usual more money being funneled to poor areas and preferential treatment for specific minorities.

Definitely Jimbeaux - the "I can't be racist because my wife is an ethnic minority"

FWIW (and this isn't really rocket science) in terms of education policy it makes perfect sense to funnel more money into poor (underperforming) areas. You need to do that if you want to improve outcomes. it makes far more sense to spend a few thousand per year per student on education than $10's of thousands per year on them later in life in terms of police/Courts/prisons and welfare benefits

Was jimbeaux finally binned? I thought I hadn’t heard his BS for a while.

[Murph7355]

Gameface said:

No-one's talking to you.

Blackrabbit and I have been talking all day.

I'm looking for an insight as to why Trump appeals to a Brit.

Ah sorry. I forgot you were in charge of PH.

Can you drop me an IM and let me know which threads I'm allowed to respond to. Just so I know

[Byker28i]

Donald Trump has struggled to settle on messaging to attack Joe Biden. Last night in North Carolina, he opened his remarks with the line, “If Biden wins, China wins.” The crowd here responded with near-silence.

Several Trump one-liners have fallen flat with the crowd in North Carolina. He called the Green New Deal the “Green New Nightmare” with delivery that left room for a beat of laughter or applause. It didn’t come.

He did get a minor chant of we love you
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303485288795308032

but then ruined it by saying he was going to appoint pro-crime judges... I thought he'd done that with Kavanaugh
https://twitter.com/i/status/1303470911144841216

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 9th September 06:20

[Byker28i]

Summary of trump's platform from last night
If Biden is elected cities will be burned to the ground, then the people who did it will burn all the suburbs, the stock market will crash and everyone will all lose their retirement, they will be at war with N. Korea, religion and God will be abolished.

So basically just about everything that is happening under trump?

Bidens platform

Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 9th September 06:16

[Gameface]

Murph7355 said:

Gameface said:

No-one's talking to you.

Blackrabbit and I have been talking all day.

I'm looking for an insight as to why Trump appeals to a Brit.

Ah sorry. I forgot you were in charge of PH.

Can you drop me an IM and let me know which threads I'm allowed to respond to. Just so I know

Reply to whatever you want. But don't expect responses from me when you try and insert yourself into a conversation I'm having with someone else.

[Byker28i]

unrepentant said:

Countdown said:

blackrabbit said:

Schools I think his whole policy is awful and will mean as usual more money being funneled to poor areas and preferential treatment for specific minorities.

Definitely Jimbeaux - the "I can't be racist because my wife is an ethnic minority"

FWIW (and this isn't really rocket science) in terms of education policy it makes perfect sense to funnel more money into poor (underperforming) areas. You need to do that if you want to improve outcomes. it makes far more sense to spend a few thousand per year per student on education than $10's of thousands per year on them later in life in terms of police/Courts/prisons and welfare benefits

Was jimbeaux finally binned? I thought I hadn’t heard his BS for a while.

Don't know but I think he got bored. As someone pointed out he popped up every election to give his opinions, then disappeared again
As I said earlier I don't think this is JimB
"Not JimB - he had a way with words, a way of putting across an argument, admitted he was republican through and through. blackrabbit is just repeating GOP/trump lies without bothering to look into them, just takes them as gospel. JimB knew they were lies, but accepted them as necessary because they were on his team..."