US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

[captain_cynic]

rdjohn said:

I do not think that Biden has the charisma to win the election, but Donald certainly has the ability to lose it.

This is why I've been saying Trump has has no chance of re-election since the beginning.

Opposition's do not win elections, government's lose them.

The 2020 campaign was never going to be Trump v Biden... It was going to be and still is Trump v Trump. His job is to convince all the people who voted for him 4 years ago that he is still worth voting for.

Given that a good incumbent like Obama loses votes on subsequent terms, a bad one is not really going to be winning votes and it's not like Trump won by any margin, he won on a technicality (he lost the popular vote).

rdjohn said:

The piece of the jigsaw that we are still missing is what was Biden Jr doing for the Ukraine.

Nothing... Their best attempts to manufacture dirt was to no avail.

[paulguitar]

captain_cynic said:

Nothing... Their best attempts to manufacture dirt was to no avail.

And yet, as we see here, if something is said often enough, people believe it.


Look how many newbies appear here and very quickly start on about 'Uranium 1'. It's clearly a tactic that works for trump and Fox to keep yelling about this stuff, even if it's bks.

[Byker28i]

rdjohn said:

The piece of the jigsaw that we are still missing is what was Biden Jr doing for the Ukraine.

Yup all debunked yet trump keeps trying it, even after being impeached over trying to manufacture dirt. In fact if anyone would like to read more:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/...

However most won't just keep believing misinformation on social media etc.

The big giveaway is, if trump had anything on the Bidens, don't you think he would have played his hand by now? He was continuous about Clintons emails even though that was unproven accusations (like Obamas birth, the Central Park 5 etc) trump has a long history of false accusations.

Also, if trump had all the dirt, why did he start with Giuliani trying to manufacture dirt 6 months before Biden even announced he was running. Why did he send Barr around to try to get Italy, the UK and Australia to manufacture dirt. Why did he try to make it a quid pro quo when negotiating a trade deal with China that they 'investigated' Biden, i.e manufacture dirt...

[Countdown]

Byker28i said:

rdjohn said:

The piece of the jigsaw that we are still missing is what was Biden Jr doing for the Ukraine.

Yup all debunked yet trump keeps trying it, even after being impeached over trying to manufacture dirt. In fact if anyone would like to read more:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/may/07/...

However most won't just keep believing misinformation on social media etc.

This is one of those issues that make me think the Bidens and other Dem politicians aren't whiter-than-white. The "elephant in the room" question - what made Hunter Biden qualified for the Directorship role with Burisma (along with relatives of John Kerry).

Maybe there's something I've missed but it does suggest that there may have been some kind of underhanded quid pro quo.

[928 GTS]

Countdown said:

This is one of those issues that make me think the Bidens and other Dem politicians aren't whiter-than-white. The "elephant in the room" question - what made Hunter Biden qualified for the Directorship role with Burisma (along with relatives of John Kerry).

Maybe there's something I've missed but it does suggest that there may have been some kind of underhanded quid pro quo.

Having right surname in Ukrainian company managers list is not enough on its own?

[Countdown]

928 GTS said:

Countdown said:

This is one of those issues that make me think the Bidens and other Dem politicians aren't whiter-than-white. The "elephant in the room" question - what made Hunter Biden qualified for the Directorship role with Burisma (along with relatives of John Kerry).

Maybe there's something I've missed but it does suggest that there may have been some kind of underhanded quid pro quo.

Having right surname in Ukrainian company managers list is not enough on its own?

Exactly. Biden comes across as a decent honourable man to me (but that's what Mark Anthony said about Brutus). So what benefit did Hunter's surname provide to Burisma?

For the avoidance of doubt, even if it transpires that Hunter Biden was Capo di Tutti Capi he would still be exponentially less corrupt than Trump

[My Name is Legion]

Byker28i said:

Yup all debunked yet trump keeps trying it, even after being impeached over trying to manufacture dirt. .

Just because they couldn't get enough evidence for a conviction doesn't mean something dodgy wasn't going on though does it?
Unless of course you do believe that, in which case then the impeachment process completely exonerated Trump in your opinion?

Unless Hunter Biden is the most talented entrepreneur to have ever come out of Yale something dodgy was going on for him to get not only a position on a Ukrainian energy companies board for which he had no prior experience while his father the VP was dealing with Ukraine and then a few years later having decided that fund management sounded fun, in which he also had very little experience, decided that he would set up a company with John Kerry's son and pop into Beijing with his dad on Air-force two and then less than two weeks later, Hunter Biden’s firm inked a $1 billion private equity deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government’s Bank of China. The deal was later expanded to $1.5 billion. In short, the Chinese government funded a business that it co-owned along with the son of a sitting vice president.

So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?



If your hatred of Trump blinds you to the fact that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect then you are beyond help.

[928 GTS]

Countdown said:

Exactly. Biden comes across as a decent honourable man to me (but that's what Mark Anthony said about Brutus). So what benefit did Hunter's surname provide to Burisma?

"Look at us we are trustworthy international company" instead of some "unknown and very likely unreliable eastern European firm which is very likely run by local mafia". Simple image boost alone can be worth multiple millions so money well spend even if salary seems high for not doing anything.

[Countdown]

928 GTS said:

Countdown said:

Exactly. Biden comes across as a decent honourable man to me (but that's what Mark Anthony said about Brutus). So what benefit did Hunter's surname provide to Burisma?

"Look at us we are trustworthy international company" instead of some "unknown and very likely unreliable eastern European firm which is very likely run by local mafia". Simple image boost alone can be worth multiple millions so money well spend even if salary seems high for not doing anything.

Having the unqualified son of the US VP on the Board smells more of bribery and corruption than "trustworthy International Company". If they were aiming for the latter then they would have been better off appointing somebody like Sir Richard Cadbury.

[928 GTS]

Countdown said:

Having the unqualified son of the US VP on the Board smells more of bribery and corruption than "trustworthy International Company". If they were aiming for the latter then they would have been better off appointing somebody like Sir Richard Cadbury.

Who?

[Countdown]

928 GTS said:

Countdown said:

Having the unqualified son of the US VP on the Board smells more of bribery and corruption than "trustworthy International Company". If they were aiming for the latter then they would have been better off appointing somebody like Sir Richard Cadbury.

Who?

Whoops, wrong Cadbury

[Byker28i]

My Name is Legion said:

Byker28i said:

Yup all debunked yet trump keeps trying it, even after being impeached over trying to manufacture dirt. .

Just because they couldn't get enough evidence for a conviction doesn't mean something dodgy wasn't going on though does it?
Unless of course you do believe that, in which case then the impeachment process completely exonerated Trump in your opinion?

Unless Hunter Biden is the most talented entrepreneur to have ever come out of Yale something dodgy was going on for him to get not only a position on a Ukrainian energy companies board for which he had no prior experience while his father the VP was dealing with Ukraine and then a few years later having decided that fund management sounded fun, in which he also had very little experience, decided that he would set up a company with John Kerry's son and pop into Beijing with his dad on Air-force two and then less than two weeks later, Hunter Biden’s firm inked a $1?billion private equity deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government’s Bank of China. The deal was later expanded to $1.5?billion. In short, the Chinese government funded a business that it co-owned along with the son of a sitting vice president.

So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?



If your hatred of Trump blinds you to the fact that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect then you are beyond help.

Who's got a hatred of trump? I keep saying we are living through a historical moment and I'm interested in that.

Hunter Biden got the job because of who his dad was, but that was it. The rest is made up dirt being thrown around with no evidence.
Remember no evidence was found of any crime
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/uk...


As always with trump, he likes to project onto others what he himself has done. Just look at what Ivanka and Kushner are doing as 'special advisors', Kushner using Saudi Arabia to blockade Qatar until they bailed out his buiness, 6665 fifth avenue
https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jar...

or if you want to mention the chinese then trump dropping sanctions on chinese firm ZTE so they would fund his Asian property development...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/...

Don't let your trump orange blinkers block the obvious wrong doing from the trumps and the reason they've tried, and failed, to throw dirt at Bidens

[Byker28i]

he polls are getting worse
Chance of winning the electoral college:
Biden 90%
Trump 10%

Chance of winning the most votes:
Biden 99%
Trump 1%

Estimated electoral college votes:
Biden 346
Trump 192
https://projects.economist.com/us-2020-forecast/pr...

[My Name is Legion]

Byker28i said:

Who's got a hatred of trump? I keep saying we are living through a historical moment and I'm interested in that.

Hunter Biden got the job because of who his dad was, but that was it. The rest is made up dirt being thrown around with no evidence.
Remember no evidence was found of any crime
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/uk...


As always with trump, he likes to project onto others what he himself has done. Just look at what Ivanka and Kushner are doing as 'special advisors', Kushner using Saudi Arabia to blockade Qatar until they bailed out his buiness, 6665 fifth avenue
https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jar...

or if you want to mention the chinese then trump dropping sanctions on chinese firm ZTE so they would fund his Asian property development...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/...

Don't let your trump orange blinkers block the obvious wrong doing from the trumps and the reason they've tried, and failed, to throw dirt at Bidens

Firstly the bold bits made me smile when used in the context of diminishing the accusations of skulduggery malarkey by Biden by taking a swipe at Trump.

Secondly, you have completely ignored the point I was attempting to make,for your convenience i shall repeat it without any negative connotations.


So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?

Would you therefore agree to the idea that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect?

[Sn1ckers]

My Name is Legion said:

Firstly the bold bits made me smile when used in the context of diminishing the accusations of skulduggery malarkey by Biden by taking a swipe at Trump.

Secondly, you have completely ignored the point I was attempting to make,for your convenience i shall repeat it without any negative connotations.


So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?

Would you therefore agree to the idea that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect?

Constantly repeating bullst over and over again a la trump does not make it a fact.

Yes, Hunter may have got a job because of his name/connections but that’s hardly unique is it?

Was he dumb? Yes. Was he corrupt? Maybe, I don’t know, but suspect that even if he was his father wasn’t and either way whatever he did is almost certainly nothing compared with what trump has been doing every day of his presidency.

This is, at the very worst, a false equivalency. At best a load of bks.

[_dobbo_]

"Hunter Biden" is the 2020 equivalent of "Her Emails!!!1!!!!"

And another dormant account comes alive to post the same stuff too, such a co-incidence.

Ребята, вы тратите свое время здесь, может быть, пойти в другое место для более низкого висящих фруктов.

[Byker28i]

My Name is Legion said:

Firstly the bold bits made me smile when used in the context of diminishing the accusations of skulduggery malarkey by Biden by taking a swipe at Trump.

The only laugh is your own agenda. I've shown numerous times, with referenced articles showing nothing was found to prove these accusations against the Bidens. You've shown no workings, just your opinion, which again is flawed. You have several times postedc in support of trump, passing on numers accusations and allegations that have been proven false everytime, then ignorfed that.

And yes we're discussing the two election candidates, so when one tries to throw dirt whilst his own children are equally guilty of neoptism, and in trump case so much more, then it's a valid argument.

The only laugh is your poor attempt to justify trump, whose so compromised, he's just pardoned a co-conspirator who threatened to spill all the beans over his 30 year association with trump, if his sentance wasn't commuted...

[My Name is Legion]

Sn1ckers said:

Whataboutisism

_dobbo_ said:

"Hunter Biden" is the 2020 equivalent of "Her Emails!!!1!!!!"

And another dormant account comes alive to post the same stuff too, such a co-incidence.

??????, ?? ??????? ???? ????? ?????, ????? ????, ????? ? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ??????? ???????.

The fruit in here is just fine thank you !

You need a tinfoil hat!

Byker28i said:

So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?

Would you therefore agree to the idea that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect?


I am going to completely ignore the bit in bold again as it isn't particularly conducive to my argument or agenda promoting anybody who isn't Trump, and instead i am going to accuse you of having an agenda and also remind everybody just how horrible that Apprentice man is!

OK guys* I must say the polls are not looking good, there will need to be a very big silent majority come November if Trump does hope to win, that or something really juicy being saved until about 11 days before the vote.

• (I hope I haven't mis-gendered anyone)

[paulguitar]

Robert Mueller: 'Roger Stone remains a convicted felon, and rightly so'.

[Byker28i]

My Name is Legion: Why have you quoted something you said, then put it as me?