US presidential election 2020:Winner? Vol.2

[kowalski655]

Even if Byrisma and China DID hire Hunter Biden to gain influence with his dad, is there any evidence that dad did anything for them? Trump looked repeatedly in Ukraine and China (& elsewhere with Barr's little trips)& has nothing
Hunter got a job on daddy's name which isn't unusual amongst the rich...just look at the jobs Ivanka got!

[My Name is Legion]

Byker28i said:

My Name is Legion: Why have you quoted something you said, then put it as me?

I'm sorry, my mistake, sometimes trying to multi-quote gets complicated, I meant to just re-ask you the question.

This one, just in case you missed it the first couple of times,

So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?

Would you therefore agree to the idea that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect?

Please just answer the question objectively without any whataboutism or mentioning the word Trump of you are able to?

[Voldemort]

My Name is Legion said:

I'm sorry, my mistake, sometimes trying to multi-quote gets complicated, I meant to just re-ask you the question.

This one, just in case you missed it the first couple of times,

So Joe Biden involved with Ukraine, Hunter gets a position on the board, Biden dealing with China-US relations, two weeks later Hunter signs a huge deal for a new investment fund?

Would you therefore agree to the idea that to any reasonable, normal person the above looks suspect?

Please just answer the question objectively without any whataboutism or mentioning the word Trump of you are able to?

Do you have any:
a) facts, and
b) need to shout.

In what way was Joe Biden 'involved' with Ukraine?
When was Hunter a) employed, and b) put on the board?
Which Biden dealing with China-US relations? Joe obo the US or Hunter obo Burisma
Two weeks later being when, exactly?
Who is the beneficiary of the investment fund and who is providing the funds?
How big is 'huge'? Oil industries tend to deal in billions...

I may not meet your definition of a reasonable person, but I'd like to know the answers to these before agreeing or disagreeing on the suspect nature, or not, of your statement.

NB No whataboutism or mention of trump in my reply.

I await your links and fact checks with baited breath. Don't tell me to look them up: you have made the allegation (on here), lets see your workings.

[My Name is Legion]

Voldemort said:

Do you have any:
a) facts, and
b) need to shout.

In what way was Joe Biden 'involved' with Ukraine?
When was Hunter a) employed, and b) put on the board?
Which Biden dealing with China-US relations? Joe obo the US or Hunter obo Burisma
Two weeks later being when, exactly?
Who is the beneficiary of the investment fund and who is providing the funds?
How big is 'huge'? Oil industries tend to deal in billions...

I may not meet your definition of a reasonable person, but I'd like to know the answers to these before agreeing or disagreeing on the suspect nature, or not, of your statement.

NB No whataboutism or mention of trump in my reply.

I await your links and fact checks with baited breath. Don't tell me to look them up: you have made the allegation (on here), lets see your workings.

Who asked you anyway, what are you, one of the mob with an umbrella?

Firstly bold text isn't shouting, capitals is viewed as shouting, secondly your questions are risible, even a quick google confirms it all as factual, no proof of anything illegal as yet, but I haven't suggested anything illegal have I.

I suggested it looks a bit suspect.

Have a quick read;

https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/6-facts-about-hunter...

https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason...

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/the-biden-familys-uk...


I must warn you there is quite a lot there to read, which I doubt you will, opinions will vary but facts are facts and dates are dates.

The very fact that nobody has stood up and just said outright "no it doesn't look suspect at all" but have just diverted and distracted says more about you than me.

[unrepentant]

Voldemort said:

Do you have any:
a) facts, and
b) need to shout.

In what way was Joe Biden 'involved' with Ukraine?
When was Hunter a) employed, and b) put on the board?
Which Biden dealing with China-US relations? Joe obo the US or Hunter obo Burisma
Two weeks later being when, exactly?
Who is the beneficiary of the investment fund and who is providing the funds?
How big is 'huge'? Oil industries tend to deal in billions...

I may not meet your definition of a reasonable person, but I'd like to know the answers to these before agreeing or disagreeing on the suspect nature, or not, of your statement.

NB No whataboutism or mention of trump in my reply.

I await your links and fact checks with baited breath. Don't tell me to look them up: you have made the allegation (on here), lets see your workings.

The whole Biden / Ukraine thing has been completely debunked. Even the Ukranians themselves had an investigation and said there were no issues.

Ignore the latest troll.

[Countdown]

Unrep - how does 2020 "feel" compared to 2016?

[rscott]

My Name is Legion said:

Voldemort said:

Do you have any:
a) facts, and
b) need to shout.

In what way was Joe Biden 'involved' with Ukraine?
When was Hunter a) employed, and b) put on the board?
Which Biden dealing with China-US relations? Joe obo the US or Hunter obo Burisma
Two weeks later being when, exactly?
Who is the beneficiary of the investment fund and who is providing the funds?
How big is 'huge'? Oil industries tend to deal in billions...

I may not meet your definition of a reasonable person, but I'd like to know the answers to these before agreeing or disagreeing on the suspect nature, or not, of your statement.

NB No whataboutism or mention of trump in my reply.

I await your links and fact checks with baited breath. Don't tell me to look them up: you have made the allegation (on here), lets see your workings.

Who asked you anyway, what are you, one of the mob with an umbrella?

Firstly bold text isn't shouting, capitals is viewed as shouting, secondly your questions are risible, even a quick google confirms it all as factual, no proof of anything illegal as yet, but I haven't suggested anything illegal have I.

I suggested it looks a bit suspect.

Have a quick read;

https://nypost.com/2019/10/10/6-facts-about-hunter...

https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason...

https://nypost.com/2020/01/28/the-biden-familys-uk...


I must warn you there is quite a lot there to read, which I doubt you will, opinions will vary but facts are facts and dates are dates.

The very fact that nobody has stood up and just said outright "no it doesn't look suspect at all" but have just diverted and distracted says more about you than me.

Any sources other than a Trump special advisor with a history of inventing fake stories about Democrats? (She was a proponent of the Obama Death Panel myth amongst others).

[minimoog]

My Name is Legion said:

The very fact that nobody has stood up and just said outright "no it doesn't look suspect at all" but have just diverted and distracted says more about you than me.

I suspect the reason no-one has said that is because you posted a string of incoherent words that make no sense whatsoever.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

Unrep - how does 2020 "feel" compared to 2016?

Very different.

People are angry and the enemy is clearly drawn. Everyone was naive before, they didn't believe that an election could be stolen or that a president could act with impunity, ignore the law and effectively rule as a dictator in the USA.

The big fear now is that this election will be stolen by voter suppression and more foreign interference. But I do think people who stayed home last time will vote this time around. Clinton was a poor candidate who was divisive and the campaign was poorly run by Robbie Mook. Even so she was a 1000 times better candidate than Trump and would have won had Putin not put his foot on the scale. She got 3,000,000 more votes, it is unprecedented for a candidate to win that big and lose.

The mistakes of last time will not be made again and everyone is aware now that malevolent forces from outside the US will try to interfere. The other difference is that there are huge numbers of traditional conservatives who are desperate for Trump to be beaten.

I do also think that, if Trump loses, the forces of law and order will go after him. It's unprecedented but it's also unprecedented to have a president put himself above the law. It cannot be allowed to happen again and I believe that he will face consequences, as will Bill Barr who has acted in a totally criminal manner. We'll see.

[Gameface]

I hope you're right.

I'm sure noodle will be along soon to tell you you're wrong though.

[Byker28i]

unrepentant said:

Countdown said:

Unrep - how does 2020 "feel" compared to 2016?

Very different.

People are angry and the enemy is clearly drawn. Everyone was naive before, they didn't believe that an election could be stolen or that a president could act with impunity, ignore the law and effectively rule as a dictator in the USA.

The big fear now is that this election will be stolen by voter suppression and more foreign interference. But I do think people who stayed home last time will vote this time around. Clinton was a poor candidate who was divisive and the campaign was poorly run by Robbie Mook. Even so she was a 1000 times better candidate than Trump and would have won had Putin not put his foot on the scale. She got 3,000,000 more votes, it is unprecedented for a candidate to win that big and lose.

The mistakes of last time will not be made again and everyone is aware now that malevolent forces from outside the US will try to interfere. The other difference is that there are huge numbers of traditional conservatives who are desperate for Trump to be beaten.

I do also think that, if Trump loses, the forces of law and order will go after him. It's unprecedented but it's also unprecedented to have a president put himself above the law. It cannot be allowed to happen again and I believe that he will face consequences, as will Bill Barr who has acted in a totally criminal manner. We'll see.

I was in the US leading upto the 2016 election, was really interesting to see how trump had energised some of the voting population, not just the die hard republicans but those we now know to be trumps base. There was a definate thought that 'the base' could openly voice their thoughts, mirroring trumps then rhetoric about Mexicans, blacks, openly racist remarks that previously had been hidden beneath the surface.

I've not been this year, have no plans to for some time as it's not safe, but speaking to friends in Florida and the south, it looks like it's swung the other way. People have seen through trump, are fed up with trumps lies, his lack of actually achieving anything he promised, unemployment, his lack of action over CV-19 etc.

Does that ring true with what you're seeing unrep?

[AW111]

unrepentant said:

Very different.

People are angry and the enemy is clearly drawn. Everyone was naive before, they didn't believe that an election could be stolen or that a president could act with impunity, ignore the law and effectively rule as a dictator in the USA.

The big fear now is that this election will be stolen by voter suppression and more foreign interference. But I do think people who stayed home last time will vote this time around. Clinton was a poor candidate who was divisive and the campaign was poorly run by Robbie Mook. Even so she was a 1000 times better candidate than Trump and would have won had Putin not put his foot on the scale. She got 3,000,000 more votes, it is unprecedented for a candidate to win that big and lose.

The mistakes of last time will not be made again and everyone is aware now that malevolent forces from outside the US will try to interfere. The other difference is that there are huge numbers of traditional conservatives who are desperate for Trump to be beaten.

I do also think that, if Trump loses, the forces of law and order will go after him. It's unprecedented but it's also unprecedented to have a president put himself above the law. It cannot be allowed to happen again and I believe that he will face consequences, as will Bill Barr who has acted in a totally criminal manner. We'll see.

I think you're an optimist on this one.

Ronald Reagan sold arms to an enemy state, to fund a terrorist uprising, in defiance of congress.

He recieved no punisment, and remains a national hero to many in the US.

The US vote for a President, but dream of Emporers.

[Gameface]

Wasn't he a dribbling loon by the end of his presidency? That may have played a part in not prosecuting him.

If Trump had any sense he'd play the same card, but I'm not sure his hubris will allow it.

[paulguitar]

Gameface said:

Wasn't he a dribbling loon by the end of his presidency? That may have played a part in not prosecuting him.

If Trump had any sense he'd play the same card, but I'm not sure his hubris will allow it.

He seems to have been playing a 'dribbling loon' pretty successfully for quite some time as far as I can see.

[AW111]

Gameface said:

Wasn't he a dribbling loon by the end of his presidency? That may have played a part in not prosecuting him.

If Trump had any sense he'd play the same card, but I'm not sure his hubris will allow it.

He may have been a dribbling loon, but what Reagan did was treason - and he got away with it.

I think Trump has done plenty of things that deserve a jail sentence, I'm just not sure that he'll be punished.

[kowalski655]

Once the full extent of this criminality becomes clear, the call for punishment will get louder, and if it's a Dem held House and Senate, hiding stuff will hopefully be very hard. Plus AG Tish and several others are gagging to get at him as a private citizen

[unrepentant]

Byker28i said:

I was in the US leading upto the 2016 election, was really interesting to see how trump had energised some of the voting population, not just the die hard republicans but those we now know to be trumps base. There was a definate thought that 'the base' could openly voice their thoughts, mirroring trumps then rhetoric about Mexicans, blacks, openly racist remarks that previously had been hidden beneath the surface.

I've not been this year, have no plans to for some time as it's not safe, but speaking to friends in Florida and the south, it looks like it's swung the other way. People have seen through trump, are fed up with trumps lies, his lack of actually achieving anything he promised, unemployment, his lack of action over CV-19 etc.

Does that ring true with what you're seeing unrep?

There is no doubt that Trump energized the racist underbelly of the country and empowered them. There has been a massive backlash against that with BLM, states removing the confederate flag from states flags, monuments being removed etc.. Hell, the Washington Reskins are changing their name, something their repulsive owner Dan Snyder said would never happen! Of course Trump hates all of that but public opinion has swung round

Biden speaks directly to the blue collar Midwest, something that Clinton could not do, and that is the battleground. I'm taking nothing for granted because we know the GOP are desperate and will do whatever they can to suppress the vote but it's eyes wide open this time. Everyone knows who Trump is and what he stands for and for the majority it's repugnant.

Someone tried to make the comparison with Reagan and Iran Contra. Totally different. It was pre the 24 hour news cycle and happened overseas. It was sold to the public as an attempt to free US hostages and although Reagan did a "the buck stops here" address others took the fall, especially North. Also Reagan was coming to the end of his second term and was not up for re election.

[Byker28i]

Just to see the movement, two weeks ago in Montana the polls put it as

Rosendale (R) 45% (+8)
Williams (D) 37%

Today it's
Williams (D) 44%
Rosendale (R) 44%

Still returning
Trump 51% (+9)
Biden 42%
.
trumps down 5% on 2016, bidens up 5% on Clinton in 2016

trump still gets favourable
Do you approve or disapprove of President Donald Trump's job performance?
51% Approve
46% Disapprove
3% Not Sure

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/upl...

Edited by Byker28i on Monday 13th July 15:50

[kowalski655]

Are the 50 or so people actually living in Montana all idiots?
At least they only have 3 EC votes

[mikal83]

kowalski655 said:

Are the 50 or so people actually living in Montana all idiots?
At least they only have 3 EC votes

Unfortunetly I have elderly relatives living there that voted for trump. I asked why.....in 2017 when I saw them again. Their answer was, we thought he would change when he became president!