Black Lives Matter - Who are they?

[mac96]

BlackLabel said:

This sounds like the perfect issue for BLM to campaign on, it will actually save black lives.

So will they?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/16/covi...

Always suspect statistics! 'Up to 72%' is not 72% of BAME it is: . "Vaccine hesitancy was particularly high in Black (71.8%),
Pakistani/Bangladeshi (42.3%), Mixed (32.4%) . Rather less than 72% overall.

That is still a lot though and is a problem- even if you take the view that it is their choice, this level of non take up must slow down our recovery from the pandemic.
And black people are disproportionately likely to be nurses, carers etc. Hopefully they are not in this anti vac group, spreading infection to their clients/patients.

[gareth_r]

BlackLabel said:

This sounds like the perfect issue for BLM to campaign on, it will actually save black lives.

So will they?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/16/covi...

Shropshire Star - Care home resident must have vaccine despite son’s concerns, says judge

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2021/0...

[mrporsche]

Is that a valid reason why the stats are so high in the black community ?

[Countdown]

mac96 said:

Always suspect statistics! 'Up to 72%' is not 72% of BAME it is: . "Vaccine hesitancy was particularly high in Black (71.8%),
Pakistani/Bangladeshi (42.3%), Mixed (32.4%) . Rather less than 72% overall.

That is still a lot though and is a problem- even if you take the view that it is their choice, this level of non take up must slow down our recovery from the pandemic.
And black people are disproportionately likely to be nurses, carers etc. Hopefully they are not in this anti vac group, spreading infection to their clients/patients.

As evidenced by other threads on PH there are a lot of idiots out there.....

[mrporsche]

Countdown said:

As evidenced by other threads on PH there are a lot of idiots out there.....

Surely on a thread about black lives 71.8% is pretty damn close to 72% not to warrant criticism ?

[i4got]

mrporsche said:

Countdown said:

As evidenced by other threads on PH there are a lot of idiots out there.....

Surely on a thread about black lives 71.8% is pretty damn close to 72% not to warrant criticism ?

And it is the actual Guardian headline that was linked.

[Countdown]

mrporsche said:

Countdown said:

As evidenced by other threads on PH there are a lot of idiots out there.....

Surely on a thread about black lives 71.8% is pretty damn close to 72% not to warrant criticism ?

I wasn’t challenging the numbers. It was the attitudes and the disregard for how it’s likely to impact others.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

mac96 said:

BlackLabel said:

This sounds like the perfect issue for BLM to campaign on, it will actually save black lives.

So will they?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/16/covi...

Always suspect statistics! 'Up to 72%' is not 72% of BAME it is: . "Vaccine hesitancy was particularly high in Black (71.8%),
Pakistani/Bangladeshi (42.3%), Mixed (32.4%) . Rather less than 72% overall.

That is still a lot though and is a problem- even if you take the view that it is their choice, this level of non take up must slow down our recovery from the pandemic.
And black people are disproportionately likely to be nurses, carers etc. Hopefully they are not in this anti vac group, spreading infection to their clients/patients.

We know plenty working in healthcare who don’t want it. The main reason is concerns over side effects on fertility and pregnancy. If you were a healthy young black woman planning on starting a family, would you risk it considering how little danger Covid-19 poses to them?

[BlackLabel]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

We know plenty working in healthcare who don’t want it. The main reason is concerns over side effects on fertility and pregnancy. If you were a healthy young black woman planning on starting a family, would you risk it considering how little danger Covid-19 poses to them?

Risk what though? What evidence is there that it will have an effect on fertility and pregnancy?

[SeeFive]

BlackLabel said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

We know plenty working in healthcare who don’t want it. The main reason is concerns over side effects on fertility and pregnancy. If you were a healthy young black woman planning on starting a family, would you risk it considering how little danger Covid-19 poses to them?

Risk what though? What evidence is there that it will have an effect on fertility and pregnancy?

That it will have an effect isn’t what they look for in 3 year + long term testing of a new vaccine. They tend to look for it being safe. Without 3 years work, it is unlikely that they can confirm that it is tested and safe in that and a number of other scenarios.

If you can find anything that says it is long term tested in the same way that other vaccines have been in the past and safe across the multitude of categories, I and many others it seems would be truly appreciative.

[andy_s]

SeeFive said:

BlackLabel said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

We know plenty working in healthcare who don’t want it. The main reason is concerns over side effects on fertility and pregnancy. If you were a healthy young black woman planning on starting a family, would you risk it considering how little danger Covid-19 poses to them?

Risk what though? What evidence is there that it will have an effect on fertility and pregnancy?

That it will have an effect isn’t what they look for in 3 year + long term testing of a new vaccine. They tend to look for it being safe. Without 3 years work, it is unlikely that they can confirm that it is tested and safe in that and a number of other scenarios.

If you can find anything that says it is long term tested in the same way that other vaccines have been in the past and safe across the multitude of categories, I and many others it seems would be truly appreciative.

Why pregnancy in particular, if there are long-term side effects they can manifest in many ways I'd have thunk.

[LittleBlueCar]

It comes from a general mis-trust of the medical establishment in this country. The problem is that western medicine has progressed with a bias towards white people. I'm not going to get into the reasons why but it's not hard to realise that medical techniques, procedures, research etc. has predominantly been progressed by white people and also tested on white people.

There was a report earlier this year that concluded that one of the reasons so many black people were dying in hospital with Covid was because a pulse oximeter is more likely to give a false reading when used on darker skin. This in turn led hospital staff to believe that a patient's oxygen levels were okay when in actual fact they were dangerously low.

You also only have to see the fact that black women are 4 times more likely to die during childbirth to understand why a community may be skeptical of the vaccine when many of the public (regardless of race) believe it has been rushed and untested.

Edited by LittleBlueCar on Thursday 21st January 08:55

[andy_s]

LittleBlueCar said:

It comes from a general mis-trust of the medical establishment in this country. The problem is that western medicine has progressed with a bias towards white people. I'm not going to get into the reasons why but it's not hard to realise that medical techniques, procedures, research etc. has predominantly been progressed by white people and also tested on white people.

There was a report earlier this year that concluded that one of the reasons so many black people were dying in hospital with Covid was because a pulse oximeter is more likely to give a false reading when used on darker skin. This in turn led hospital staff to believe that a patient's oxygen levels were okay when in acthal fact they were dangerously low.

You also only have to see the fact that black women are 4 times more likely to die during childbirth to understand why a community may be skeptical of the vaccine when many of the public believe it has been rushed and untested.

Anything more on Vit D - it's common knowledge that Black people make less Vit D and Vit D is an important immunomodulator. Seemed like low hanging fruit to me but never heard anything else of it.

[markcoznottz]

andy_s said:

Anything more on Vit D - it's common knowledge that Black people make less Vit D and Vit D is an important immunomodulator. Seemed like low hanging fruit to me but never heard anything else of it.

The 77th removed all discussion of vitamin D online.

[anonymous-user]

andy_s said:

LittleBlueCar said:

It comes from a general mis-trust of the medical establishment in this country. The problem is that western medicine has progressed with a bias towards white people. I'm not going to get into the reasons why but it's not hard to realise that medical techniques, procedures, research etc. has predominantly been progressed by white people and also tested on white people.

There was a report earlier this year that concluded that one of the reasons so many black people were dying in hospital with Covid was because a pulse oximeter is more likely to give a false reading when used on darker skin. This in turn led hospital staff to believe that a patient's oxygen levels were okay when in acthal fact they were dangerously low.

You also only have to see the fact that black women are 4 times more likely to die during childbirth to understand why a community may be skeptical of the vaccine when many of the public believe it has been rushed and untested.

Anything more on Vit D - it's common knowledge that Black people make less Vit D and Vit D is an important immunomodulator. Seemed like low hanging fruit to me but never heard anything else of it.

It doesn’t make big pharma any money, that’s why you haven’t heard much about it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st January 09:07

[LittleBlueCar]

andy_s said:

LittleBlueCar said:

It comes from a general mis-trust of the medical establishment in this country. The problem is that western medicine has progressed with a bias towards white people. I'm not going to get into the reasons why but it's not hard to realise that medical techniques, procedures, research etc. has predominantly been progressed by white people and also tested on white people.

There was a report earlier this year that concluded that one of the reasons so many black people were dying in hospital with Covid was because a pulse oximeter is more likely to give a false reading when used on darker skin. This in turn led hospital staff to believe that a patient's oxygen levels were okay when in acthal fact they were dangerously low.

You also only have to see the fact that black women are 4 times more likely to die during childbirth to understand why a community may be skeptical of the vaccine when many of the public believe it has been rushed and untested.

Anything more on Vit D - it's common knowledge that Black people make less Vit D and Vit D is an important immunomodulator. Seemed like low hanging fruit to me but never heard anything else of it.

People with darker skin do absorb less UV light through their skin which helps with the synthesis of vitamin D but again I think its more evidence of western medicine and an establishment neglecting a community of people I.e. vitamin d deficiency is not a problem for the majority of (white)people so we don't need to worry about it. But these types of examples can lead to complications further down the line and reinforces a general mistrust of western medicines.

[Castrol for a knave]

markcoznottz said:

andy_s said:

Anything more on Vit D - it's common knowledge that Black people make less Vit D and Vit D is an important immunomodulator. Seemed like low hanging fruit to me but never heard anything else of it.

The 77th removed all discussion of vitamin D online.

You need to stop using Ask Jeeves.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.14...

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4912

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction...

https://clinicalmolecularallergy.biomedcentral.com...


Still waiting for the University of Facebook to publish their findings though. Dr Karen Livelaughlove said she's hoping the research will be published, as soon as she's finished doing some research on Youtube.

[AJL308]

gareth_r said:

Shropshire Star - Care home resident must have vaccine despite son’s concerns, says judge

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2021/0...

The son sounds thick as fk, to be quite honest. How does he know that the vaccine has been "mostly tested on white people"? Why, in his expert medical opinion, does it make the slightest difference if true? He's a racist.

[GroundZero]

Jezza30 said:

So we've been told COVID is racist, and now the vaccine is racist... Is everything racist?

Unfortunately when you fall in to far positions on the political spectrum it is. The intensely ironic thing is though, is that they will never consider themselves as racist when clearly they are.

[mrporsche]

LittleBlueCar said:

It comes from a general mis-trust of the medical establishment in this country. The problem is that western medicine has progressed with a bias towards white people. I'm not going to get into the reasons why but it's not hard to realise that medical techniques, procedures, research etc. has predominantly been progressed by white people and also tested on white people.

There was a report earlier this year that concluded that one of the reasons so many black people were dying in hospital with Covid was because a pulse oximeter is more likely to give a false reading when used on darker skin. This in turn led hospital staff to believe that a patient's oxygen levels were okay when in actual fact they were dangerously low.

You also only have to see the fact that black women are 4 times more likely to die during childbirth to understand why a community may be skeptical of the vaccine when many of the public (regardless of race) believe it has been rushed and untested.

Edited by LittleBlueCar on Thursday 21st January 08:55

"The problem" is that white people developed medicine for white people ?

Are there stats showing that black people living in predominantly black countries do not appear to suffer the same issues as they believe they see in Western Europe ?