Black Lives Matter - Who are they?

[Murph7355]

LittleBlueCar said:

It's not nonsense when it's true. I have no ulterior motive, it's just historical fact that the UK and the USA benefited massively from the slave trade.

Look at this pretty little graph I found. See how much the UK's GDP grows at around the same time as the slave trade?




I always wonder why people like you are so annoyed and angry about people wanting to be treated and represented the same as everyone else? I mean what impact does it have on your life if the UK addresses it's disproportionately in black deaths during child birth for example? Why is it a bad thing if we stop people needlessly dying during childbirth?

Out of interest, what was the cause of the similar exponential rise in the other countries on that chart (albeit at slightly varying time points, as far as the chart shows)? If we mapped the GDP of all nations on the planet, would they all follow the same pattern? Why are they the only countries on the chart?

The reason you are getting the response you are is that nobody is actually saying what you are stating here. There is, of course, no bad thing in looking at why people in different demographics die during childbirth. Or any other anomaly. Do you know for sure people are not looking at this? That large amounts of funding is not being applied? Are there disparities/anomalies in other areas of medical science or does it only ever occur against one demographic? It's a hugely complicated area and one "fact" is unlikely to paint the whole picture - in being selective, it can lead to some people thinking your view is skewed (consciously or not).

Great care is needed in conflating correlation and causation. And recently that seems to have gone out of the window.

[Jinx]

LittleBlueCar said:

It's not nonsense when it's true. I have no ulterior motive, it's just historical fact that the UK and the USA benefited massively from the slave trade.

Look at this pretty little graph I found. See how much the UK's GDP grows at around the same time as the slave trade?




I always wonder why people like you are so annoyed and angry about people wanting to be treated and represented the same as everyone else? I mean what impact does it have on your life if the UK addresses it's disproportionately in black deaths during child birth for example? Why is it a bad thing if we stop people needlessly dying during childbirth?

So nothing to do with the industrial revolution? oh and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807... no drop in UK GDP after 1807?

[mrporsche]

LittleBlueCar said:

It's not nonsense when it's true. I have no ulterior motive, it's just historical fact that the UK and the USA benefited massively from the slave trade.

Look at this pretty little graph I found. See how much the UK's GDP grows at around the same time as the slave trade?




I always wonder why people like you are so annoyed and angry about people wanting to be treated and represented the same as everyone else? I mean what impact does it have on your life if the UK addresses it's disproportionately in black deaths during child birth for example? Why is it a bad thing if we stop people needlessly dying during childbirth?

it is indeed a pretty little graph, but what does it actually show ?

Are you suggesting that the growth in the graph is solely due to the slave trade, or like all things there could be several other aspects to it ?

Western societies did benefit from the slave trade but they were not built on them, and the development differences between Europe and Africa were massive before the slave trade.

I am not annoyed or angry about people wanting to be treated the same or disproportionate deaths in Child Birth. I disagree with the current narrative that states everything is down to racism.

[mrporsche]

motco said:

There was a discussion in the media a few months ago about one possible reason for black women's higher mortality at birthing, and that is a tendency to narrow birth canals. Here as a quickly found example.

I think you will find you are mistaken here, it is down to racism, there are no other contributory factors to be considered.

[98elise]

Jinx said:

LittleBlueCar said:

It's not nonsense when it's true. I have no ulterior motive, it's just historical fact that the UK and the USA benefited massively from the slave trade.

Look at this pretty little graph I found. See how much the UK's GDP grows at around the same time as the slave trade?




I always wonder why people like you are so annoyed and angry about people wanting to be treated and represented the same as everyone else? I mean what impact does it have on your life if the UK addresses it's disproportionately in black deaths during child birth for example? Why is it a bad thing if we stop people needlessly dying during childbirth?

So nothing to do with the industrial revolution? oh and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Trade_Act_1807... no drop in UK GDP after 1807?

Industrial Revolution was what I thought as soon as I saw the graph. Maybe my history teacher lied to me!

[Murph7355]

98elise said:

Industrial Revolution was what I thought as soon as I saw the graph. Maybe my history teacher lied to me!

All built on the back of slaves though...after all, what did the Romans ever do for us.

[tonyvid]

mrporsche said:

motco said:

There was a discussion in the media a few months ago about one possible reason for black women's higher mortality at birthing, and that is a tendency to narrow birth canals. Here as a quickly found example.

I think you will find you are mistaken here, it is down to racism, there are no other contributory factors to be considered.

That is really quite a statement - especially when a great deal of medical, surgical, maternity staff are BAME anyway, are you saying that the staff deliberately give a worse and potentially fatal treatment to their own?

[wolfracesonic]

...anyway, I thought the earlier reference to 'Dr. Karen Livelovelaugh' from the University of Facebook was very funny.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

motco said:

There was a discussion in the media a few months ago about one possible reason for black women's higher mortality at birthing, and that is a tendency to narrow birth canals. Here as a quickly found example.

There was suggestion in one study that black women make less of a scene when in pain too, so it’s assumed they’re not suffering issues. However from experience I think this is more of an individual thing rather than cultural.

[mick987]

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The Marx argument is retarded to anybody who knows anything about history, I suggest you stop using it because Facebook thinks it's an offensive slur.

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Since when did Facebook become the fount of all knowledge ?

[mrporsche]

tonyvid said:

mrporsche said:

motco said:

There was a discussion in the media a few months ago about one possible reason for black women's higher mortality at birthing, and that is a tendency to narrow birth canals. Here as a quickly found example.

I think you will find you are mistaken here, it is down to racism, there are no other contributory factors to be considered.

That is really quite a statement - especially when a great deal of medical, surgical, maternity staff are BAME anyway, are you saying that the staff deliberately give a worse and potentially fatal treatment to their own?

I think you are due a parrot here ......

[Fittster]

Leftie bankers remove statues:

Statues of two politicians with links to the transatlantic slave trade are to be removed from central London.

The City of London Corporation announced it would remove statues of William Beckford and Sir John Cass from the Guildhall, in Moorgate.

The decision was made by a taskforce set up by the corporation following nationwide Black Lives Matter protests.

A spokeswoman called the move "an important milestone" in moving towards an "inclusive and diverse City".

[mrporsche]

Fittster said:

Leftie bankers remove statues:

Statues of two politicians with links to the transatlantic slave trade are to be removed from central London.

The City of London Corporation announced it would remove statues of William Beckford and Sir John Cass from the Guildhall, in Moorgate.

The decision was made by a taskforce set up by the corporation following nationwide Black Lives Matter protests.

A spokeswoman called the move "an important milestone" in moving towards an "inclusive and diverse City".

And yet the Sir John Cass school at Aldgate has a significant bame majority in their pupils.....

It is maintained by the John Cass foundation, which I assume will now have to withdraw its funding...

Ohh looking at their website their are going to change the name of the school !!! They will take his money / trust set up in his name, but want to distance themselves from his name !!!

Nonsense

[Countdown]

mrporsche said:

It is maintained by the John Cass foundation,

Looks like it's CofE so it will be primarily taxpayer-funded

[Countdown]

mrporsche said:

Ohh looking at their website their are going to change the name of the school !!! They will take his money / trust set up in his name, but want to distance themselves from his name !!!

It seems like this is causing you apoplexy. "They" didn't take his name/accept his money. He set the school up and it looks like it was originally funded wholly by his charity. Like most philanthropists I'm sure he did it out of the goodness of his heart rather than for any reasons of personal vanity. Over time it appears to have morphed into a normal State School that receives some funding from the Charity. the School isn't "taking" the money, the Charity is donating it.

The Charity is completely free to donate only to those organisations that want to be associated with John Cass.

[mrporsche]

Countdown said:

mrporsche said:

It is maintained by the John Cass foundation,

Looks like it's CofE so it will be primarily taxpayer-funded

So they receive money from the Cass Foundation, which is what i said.

[mrporsche]

Countdown said:

mrporsche said:

Ohh looking at their website their are going to change the name of the school !!! They will take his money / trust set up in his name, but want to distance themselves from his name !!!

It seems like this is causing you apoplexy. "They" didn't take his name/accept his money. He set the school up and it looks like it was originally funded wholly by his charity. Like most philanthropists I'm sure he did it out of the goodness of his heart rather than for any reasons of personal vanity. Over time it appears to have morphed into a normal State School that receives some funding from the Charity. the School isn't "taking" the money, the Charity is donating it.

The Charity is completely free to donate only to those organisations that want to be associated with John Cass.

So as i said they received money from the foundation for years, and yet now are desperate to distance themselves from his name.

You would assume that the school was entirely white, due to this horrendous association with the man, and yet for years ethnic children have been happy to attend without issue.

[Countdown]

mrporsche said:

So as i said they received money from the foundation for years, and yet now are desperate to distance themselves from his name.

You would assume that the school was entirely white, due to this horrendous association with the man, and yet for years ethnic children have been happy to attend without issue.

The Governing Body of the School are free to decide who they want the school to be associated with. Equally the Charity are free to decide that they no longer wish to donate to the School. I assume if they're unhappy with what the school decided to do in June they'll have stopped funding?

FWIW in a lot of cities you don't much of a choice (if any) as to which school you go to. Their last Oftsed report wasn't great so I doubt a lot of parents are queuing up to get their kids in there.

[Countdown]

mrporsche said:

Countdown said:

mrporsche said:

It is maintained by the John Cass foundation,

Looks like it's CofE so it will be primarily taxpayer-funded

So they receive money from the Cass Foundation, which is what i said.

You said "maintained by the John Cass Foundation".

Me giving £20 to our School PTA doesn't mean I maintain the school. Or that I have responsibility for maintaining the school.

[mrporsche]

Countdown said:

mrporsche said:

Countdown said:

mrporsche said:

It is maintained by the John Cass foundation,

Looks like it's CofE so it will be primarily taxpayer-funded

So they receive money from the Cass Foundation, which is what i said.

You said "maintained by the John Cass Foundation".

Me giving £20 to our School PTA doesn't mean I maintain the school. Or that I have responsibility for maintaining the school.

"Our School was founded by Sir John Cass over 300 years ago and to this day we remain proudly supported by our trustees, Sir John Cass's Foundation. We are the only maintained school in the City of London and enjoy many benefits from this unique relationship."