Black Lives Matter - Who are they?

[IanH755]

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

[s1962a]

Brave Fart said:

Four Litre said:

These are my thoughts entirely. My worry is that with the other organisations not working, they are using racism as the ultimate tool to block any challenge to their cause. People are literally terrified of being labelled a racist for speaking out or challenging any view. I think BLM have an ultimate goal in mind and its not what a lot of people think it is.

Agreed, and well expressed. I notice placards stating things like "silence is violence". It's all part of this narrative that "if you don't actively support us, you're against us" which leads to the view that any criticism of, say, BLM means that you're a racist. That's how they try to hide their anarchist agenda.

No one is stopping anyone from talking about racism though. Look at the other threads on here talking about the BLM topic - it's a case of playing the 'man' and not the ball.

If you want to discuss racism, go ahead.

[StevieBee]

IanH755 said:

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

Sorry, but I read Eric's statement as an ironic / humorous comment. I've never met Eric but read much of his work and he doesn't strike me as a racist.

[HustleRussell]

IanH755 said:

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

Suspend your incredulity for a moment and note that Eric MC's comment is quite clearly tongue-in-cheek.

[ReallyReallyGood]

Blackmails origin has nothing to so with skin colour. Are you saying we should stop using words because it has the world ‘black’ in it? Are you insane?

[Cheeses of Nazareth]

They are a paid for group of agitators and trouble makers. who's sole aim is to cause problems, wherever there is an opportunity.

In my book they are a funded criminal organisation that is a threat to law and order and should be treated as such and shut down.

[minimoog]

IanH755 said:

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

Oh dear.

Cheeses of Nazareth said:

They are a paid for group of agitators and trouble makers. who's sole aim is to cause problems, wherever there is an opportunity.

In my book they are a funded criminal organisation that is a threat to law and order and should be treated as such and shut down.

This would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

[egomeister]

Brave Fart said:

Four Litre said:

These are my thoughts entirely. My worry is that with the other organisations not working, they are using racism as the ultimate tool to block any challenge to their cause. People are literally terrified of being labelled a racist for speaking out or challenging any view. I think BLM have an ultimate goal in mind and its not what a lot of people think it is.

Agreed, and well expressed. I notice placards stating things like "silence is violence". It's all part of this narrative that "if you don't actively support us, you're against us" which leads to the view that any criticism of, say, BLM means that you're a racist. That's how they try to hide their anarchist agenda.

I don't think anarchy is their target. The aims read exactly like critical theory / postmodernism which has some roots in Marxism. Reading through their beliefs on the website is quite eye opening: https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

This sentence stood out for me as highlighting the collectivist end goals:

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

[Eric Mc]

StevieBee said:

IanH755 said:

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

Sorry, but I read Eric's statement as an ironic / humorous comment. I've never met Eric but read much of his work and he doesn't strike me as a racist.

Correct.

I'm not going to get worked up about people fighting to be treated fairly.

[s1962a]

Cheeses of Nazareth said:

They are a paid for group of agitators and trouble makers. who's sole aim is to cause problems, wherever there is an opportunity.

In my book they are a funded criminal organisation that is a threat to law and order and should be treated as such and shut down.

This thread is about the BLM movement, not the EDL.

[minimoog]

Eric Mc said:

I'm not going to get worked up about people fighting to be treated fairly.

Unfortunately the people who don't want others to be treated fairly, or are too stupid to see how they aren't, are getting themselves very worked up. As this thread has inevitably demonstrated in very short order.

[Harris_I]

IanH755 said:

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

I stopped posting in NP&E many years ago as I simply couldn't bear to be in the company of some deeply unpleasant people, just as one might avoid such people in real life. This also explains why the voice of certain demographics is not heard in this forum.

I still read the forum, as a silent lurker. Whenever I think the bile and hatred has reached a new level (and that I should really never click on the forum again), Eric pops up as the voice of sanity and reason, and restores a little faith.

You should probably read back over other threads he has contributed to. I am surprised he is still here, to be honest, but I'm glad he is.

[Ahonen]

IanH755 said:

Eric Mc said:

Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?

Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".

Sad to see that you're a humourless plonker who doesn't understand a tongue in cheek comment but at least you're quite honest with how much of a plonker you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change it afterwards.

[Hoofy]

Electro1980 said:

mikees said:

I'm intrigued by this. Does anyone know how crime would be dealt with if the police were disbanded? Just asking.

They want to totally rebuild the police. It’s not get rid of all policing, but disbanded US police forces on the basis that they are too far gone to re-form.

Yep. The "defund the police" thing is a really poor way of saying what they want.

As I understand things, whenever there's a public order issue, they send in the police (particularly in the US). Which is fine if someone is trying to smash your door in (back or front) or stealing your car. But they also send the police in if someone is wandering about town shouting at trees.

[menousername]

minimoog said:

Unfortunately the people who don't want others to be treated fairly, or are too stupid to see how they aren't, are getting themselves very worked up. As this thread has inevitably demonstrated in very short order.

Which of course is not the same thing as the funded organisation being discussed

The majority on the streets do not realise they are merely pawns in a dirty game being funded and controlled from the shadows - the main aim is division.

Sounds similar to ER hey.

[Gargamel]

mikees said:

I'm intrigued by this. Does anyone know how crime would be dealt with if the police were disbanded? Just asking.

VBRJ

Obvs ?

I am amazed this question got asked on this site.

[rscott]

Hoofy said:

Electro1980 said:

mikees said:

I'm intrigued by this. Does anyone know how crime would be dealt with if the police were disbanded? Just asking.

They want to totally rebuild the police. It’s not get rid of all policing, but disbanded US police forces on the basis that they are too far gone to re-form.

Yep. The "defund the police" thing is a really poor way of saying what they want.

As I understand things, whenever there's a public order issue, they send in the police (particularly in the US). Which is fine if someone is trying to smash your door in (back or front) or stealing your car. But they also send the police in if someone is wandering about town shouting at trees.

Agreed - some of the more eloquent BLM (and similar groups) supporters are saying exactly that. They want to move funding from the police forces to other community services, especially mental health.

[98elise]

Electro1980 said:

mikees said:

I'm intrigued by this. Does anyone know how crime would be dealt with if the police were disbanded? Just asking.

They want to totally rebuild the police. It’s not get rid of all policing, but disbanded US police forces on the basis that they are too far gone to re-form.

How does that work?

Is the intent to sack all the existing officers then replace them with another set of officers, only with a smaller budget?

Who does the police work while the new officers are trained? Who picked up the existing cases? From the outside it seems to be a monumental task with a multitude of problems to solve.

[menousername]

rscott said:

Agreed - some of the more eloquent BLM (and similar groups) supporters are saying exactly that. They want to move funding from the police forces to other community services, especially mental health.

Genuine question - are they funding those community services from monies raised

Would be a good start

[minimoog]

98elise said:

Is the intent to sack all the existing officers then replace them with another set of officers, only with a smaller budget?

Pretty much, yes. At least the officers who were problematic before get replaced.

98elise said:

Who does the police work while the new officers are trained? Who picked up the existing cases? From the outside it seems to be a monumental task with a multitude of problems to solve.

Indeed, but no-one said it would be easy.

That didn't stop Camden, NJ doing it though, and it seems to have worked

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/08/872470135/new-polic...