Black Lives Matter - Who are they?
Discussion
princeperch said:
My own view Is the elephant in the room is the large number of young black lads with no father figure (or no strong male role model) when growing up. That is one of the key determinants as to whether they achieve educationally, get involved in crime etc etc.
That really is the issue here, not the historical oppression that took place decades and decades ago, but it'll take a brave person to raise it head on.
Almost certainly that is a huge problem for a lot of young black males although there is a valid argument that the reason the black fathers leave is due to systemic discrimination which makes them less likely to be able to provide for their family via normal means (a job) and therefore are more likely to enter a life of criminality and eventual, inevitable sadly for many young black men, incarceration.That really is the issue here, not the historical oppression that took place decades and decades ago, but it'll take a brave person to raise it head on.
Wrathalanche said:
Four Litre said:
I assume your talking about the USA not UK?
Don't think there was anything in my comment that was region specific. Could apply to both. Of course, people in the UK could also be turning out in numbers due the revulsion of the actions of our American cousin's use of neck restraints. It certainly has troubled me greatly.Im just not convinced by BLM and how genuine their ideals are. Smells fishy to me and I'm good at smelling out fishy things.
Do I think that USA cops are heavy handed, very much so. But I also would hate to work in their environment as we all know it can be very violent, with a good chance of not coming home after your shift. (just checked and according to the FBI 106 didn't come home last year, dead not injured)
Do I think that the UK is racist, no. Do I think that UK cops are racist, not at all.
As a good police friend of mine said, you get aholes in any profession, why would the police be any different.
princeperch said:
My own view Is the elephant in the room is the large number of young black lads with no father figure (or no strong male role model) when growing up. That is one of the key determinants as to whether they achieve educationally, get involved in crime etc etc.
That really is the issue here, not the historical oppression that took place decades and decades ago, but it'll take a brave person to raise it head on.
There is always links between poverty and single parents. There is links between being black and more likely to be living in poverty. That really is the issue here, not the historical oppression that took place decades and decades ago, but it'll take a brave person to raise it head on.
How much of the broken families are down to the level of poverty rather than being black?
HustleRussell said:
Lord.Vader said:
Generally I despise Katie Hopkins but she actually asked a number of valid questions;
Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
Classic rhetoric of the 'reluctantly moderate' right wing.Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
HustleRussell said:
Lord.Vader said:
Generally I despise Katie Hopkins but she actually asked a number of valid questions;
Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
Classic rhetoric of the 'reluctantly moderate' right wing.Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
I can’t comment on my personal experience, but when I lived in Germany we had an American friend who had married a German girl (both black), the issues they faced (and some I witnessed) were unbelievable in this day and age; one German found it acceptable to rub their sons head ‘for luck’.
Driver101 said:
There is always links between poverty and single parents. There is links between being black and more likely to be living in poverty.
How much of the broken families are down to the level of poverty rather than being black?
I learnt today that a child (black or otherwise), without a dad (or strong male role model) is five times more likely to be classed as being economically poor, five times more likely to commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school and twenty times more likely to end up incarcerated.How much of the broken families are down to the level of poverty rather than being black?
That's shockingly really . Absolutely shocking.
princeperch said:
Driver101 said:
There is always links between poverty and single parents. There is links between being black and more likely to be living in poverty.
How much of the broken families are down to the level of poverty rather than being black?
I learnt today that a child (black or otherwise), without a dad (or strong male role model) is five times more likely to be classed as being economically poor, five times more likely to commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school and twenty times more likely to end up incarcerated.How much of the broken families are down to the level of poverty rather than being black?
That's shockingly really . Absolutely shocking.
StevieBee said:
IanH755 said:
Eric Mc said:
Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?
Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".
Sorry, but I read Eric's statement as an ironic / humorous comment. I've never met Eric but read much of his work and he doesn't strike me as a racist.
Wrathalanche said:
BLM don't have a monopoly on anti-racism protesting. And over here in the UK, they just don't have the reach to draw out crowds as massive as they did at the weekend solely based on their own charter.
The protests for the last two weeks have been against institutionalised racism and police violence. The vast, VAST majority of people on these marches are there because they all agree that those two things are bad and worth some disruption to the status quo over. They will also broadly agree with the literal term "black lives matter". This doesn't mean anyone is necessarily exclusively trying to further the aims of BLM by being there.
BLM may be the figureheads or mouth piece of the crowd, but only because the crowd allows them to be so. In fact, its probably fair to say that BLM benefits hugely that so many people are naturally angry with the state of policing in minority communities that they are able to take a place at the front. The crowds aren't out because they feel sorry for the BLM campaigners and want to support them - they are out because the feel sorry for black people. The sentiment that has brought people out will be there regardless of any political hijacking of the BLM message, if that's something that occurs.
I missed this before but agree with every word. The protests for the last two weeks have been against institutionalised racism and police violence. The vast, VAST majority of people on these marches are there because they all agree that those two things are bad and worth some disruption to the status quo over. They will also broadly agree with the literal term "black lives matter". This doesn't mean anyone is necessarily exclusively trying to further the aims of BLM by being there.
BLM may be the figureheads or mouth piece of the crowd, but only because the crowd allows them to be so. In fact, its probably fair to say that BLM benefits hugely that so many people are naturally angry with the state of policing in minority communities that they are able to take a place at the front. The crowds aren't out because they feel sorry for the BLM campaigners and want to support them - they are out because the feel sorry for black people. The sentiment that has brought people out will be there regardless of any political hijacking of the BLM message, if that's something that occurs.
As to theorising that BLM Inc have ulterior Marxist tear-it-all-down motives, one might equally theorise that the Brexit movement co-opted and and amplified populist sentiments to serve the ends of a leadership of disaster capitalists and rich men seeking to protect their fortunes from EU regulation, or that Trump is head of a crime syndicate using his administration as cover for industrial-scale grift by him and his oligarch cronies. Not that you'd ever find me saying such things of course
Lord.Vader said:
They should put all the statues back and follow the proper process to replace them, rename streets, etc.
There are some being removed by the proper process now. Turns out that the people saying this don't like that idea either. They just want to keep their slaver statues.They are now pretending that we live in a country that has referenda about statue placement by local authorities.
minimoog said:
I missed this before but agree with every word.
As to theorising that BLM Inc have ulterior Marxist tear-it-all-down motives, one might equally theorise that the Brexit movement co-opted and and amplified populist sentiments to serve the ends of a leadership of disaster capitalists and rich men seeking to protect their fortunes from EU regulation, or that Trump is head of a crime syndicate using his administration as cover for industrial-scale grift by him and his oligarch cronies. Not that you'd ever find me saying such things of course
Their page literally says they want to end capitalism.As to theorising that BLM Inc have ulterior Marxist tear-it-all-down motives, one might equally theorise that the Brexit movement co-opted and and amplified populist sentiments to serve the ends of a leadership of disaster capitalists and rich men seeking to protect their fortunes from EU regulation, or that Trump is head of a crime syndicate using his administration as cover for industrial-scale grift by him and his oligarch cronies. Not that you'd ever find me saying such things of course
mx5nut said:
From reading NP&E, BLM are a group that only exist to strike fear in to insecure middle aged white men who get all of their news and most of "their" opinions from social media websites.
Read the AMA link embedded in the post below. Reddit is far removed from a collection of "middle aged white men who get all of their news and most of "their" opinions from social media websites" smithyithy said:
The other day on Reddit, there was an Ask Me Anything with Kailee Scales - the Managing Director of Black Lives Matter (USA):
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gyzs79/i_am...
Her replies to most of the genuine questions are quite revealing.. Most answers come across as PR quotes with little actual substance..
Even with Reddit being a very liberal / left site largely supporting the movement, it didn't go down very well, particularly questions regarding where their millions of dollars in funding and donations actually ends up, or how they imagine a de-policed society would actually happen / work.....
Yep, thought the same myself.https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/gyzs79/i_am...
Her replies to most of the genuine questions are quite revealing.. Most answers come across as PR quotes with little actual substance..
Even with Reddit being a very liberal / left site largely supporting the movement, it didn't go down very well, particularly questions regarding where their millions of dollars in funding and donations actually ends up, or how they imagine a de-policed society would actually happen / work.....
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 10th June 15:43
98elise said:
Electro1980 said:
mikees said:
I'm intrigued by this. Does anyone know how crime would be dealt with if the police were disbanded? Just asking.
They want to totally rebuild the police. It’s not get rid of all policing, but disbanded US police forces on the basis that they are too far gone to re-form.Edited by mx5nut on Wednesday 10th June 15:32
Four Litre said:
My concerns are that the recent protests are also being used as a cover to try to bring down Trump in a very undemocratic way.
Four Litre said:
Could this be an attempt to derail Brexit and also bring down the conservative government?
How did so many people on the winning side of all three of these issues become so radicalised to believe that they were the poor put upon underdog victims, to the point that they could see a group that has faced genuine persecution and attacks campaign for that to improve and twist it to be an attack on themselves?I know they were raised with the "me me me" culture, but even so - not everything is about you!
If you genuinely think that Brexit, Trump and the Tories are on the same side as slave traders (I don't), you might want to take a step back and think about how you ended up supporting that side.
A Winner Is You said:
Their page literally says they want to end capitalism.
I was looking at the US site which says no such thing.But yes okay, the UK lot can do one with that idea. That's a stupid and counter-productive line to be taking. Fortunately I think the majority of people see BLM as moral concept more than an organised entity with an extremist manifesto.
Powerfully Built PSC Director - Outside IR35 said:
Four Litre said:
My concerns are that the recent protests are also being used as a cover to try to bring down Trump in a very undemocratic way. (Regardless if you like him or not, its not the way to do things). Now in the UK it seems to be an aim to cause as much trouble as they can. Could this be an attempt to derail Brexit and also bring down the conservative government?
I suggested that last night on the statues thread, but it didn’t go down too well:https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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