Black Lives Matter - Who are they?
Discussion
ash73 said:
IanH755 said:
Eric Mc said:
Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?
Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".mx5nut said:
Lord.Vader said:
They should put all the statues back and follow the proper process to replace them, rename streets, etc.
There are some being removed by the proper process now. Turns out that the people saying this don't like that idea either. They just want to keep their slaver statues.They are now pretending that we live in a country that has referenda about statue placement by local authorities.
Pulling down a few statues doesn’t change the past, it’s a token gesture.
So what if someone was a slaver 400 years ago, it was perfectly legal.
Shall we destroy the Bayeaux tapestry? That’s a symbol of Norman colonialism?
Anything to do with Oliver Cromwell?
That rascal Henry VIII, he had a few women killed, shall we erase him from history?
What about the Catholic Church?
We need to learn from our past not try and hide / erase it.
Edited by Lord.Vader on Wednesday 10th June 15:56
Lord.Vader said:
No, we live in a country where you can’t just go and tear down things you don’t like and take the law into your own hands.
Pulling down a few statues doesn’t change the past, it’s a token gesture.
One statue was pulled down. Many others are now being removed by their owners. You're OK with that I assume? Pulling down a few statues doesn’t change the past, it’s a token gesture.
Lord.Vader said:
So what if someone was a slaver 400 years ago, it was perfectly legal.
It wasn't when the statue went up, but I'm sure you knew that.Lord.Vader said:
Shall we destroy the Bayeaux tapestry? That’s a symbol of Norman colonialism?
It's in a museum. The same place the slaver statues belong.Lord.Vader said:
That rascal Henry VIII, he had a few women killed, shall we erase him from history?
Nobody except the mob who have, for reasons only known to themselves, chosen the pro-slave trader hill to die on is talking about erasing history.This whole situation is exposing a deep flaw in education in this country if so many people don't understand what museums are.
I see you miss out the Catholic Church.
You can do whatever you want with statues, as you say they can go into a museum.
What about these ‘slavers’, such as the chap in Bristol, who developed and invested in their local areas? The statue wasn’t put up because he was a ‘slaver’ but because of the good he did, that doesn’t matter?
Owners are taking them down because of the mob mentality and the risk that they will be targeted next, if I went out and pulled down a local statue I’d be arrested, so why aren’t the protesters?
The ‘pro-slaver hill’ what an absolute cretin, I hope you don’t hit your head when you fall off your high horse. breaking the law is breaking the law, irrespective of the reason.
You can do whatever you want with statues, as you say they can go into a museum.
What about these ‘slavers’, such as the chap in Bristol, who developed and invested in their local areas? The statue wasn’t put up because he was a ‘slaver’ but because of the good he did, that doesn’t matter?
Owners are taking them down because of the mob mentality and the risk that they will be targeted next, if I went out and pulled down a local statue I’d be arrested, so why aren’t the protesters?
The ‘pro-slaver hill’ what an absolute cretin, I hope you don’t hit your head when you fall off your high horse. breaking the law is breaking the law, irrespective of the reason.
Edited by Lord.Vader on Wednesday 10th June 16:09
IanH755 said:
Eric Mc said:
Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?
Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".mx5nut said:
Lord.Vader said:
Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s
Nobody is saying this except the anti-BLM mob.Edited by mx5nut on Wednesday 10th June 15:29
Liokault said:
ash73 said:
IanH755 said:
Eric Mc said:
Quite right. We can't have those black people asking for equal treatment. I mean, where will it end?
Sad to see that you're a racist but at least you're honest with how much of a racist you are, posting that for everyone to see and quote so you can't change your post afterwards or claim" it was just a joke".crankedup said:
Where are the ‘anti BLM mob’ I haven’t heard or seen anybody who are anti BLM. I agree with Lord Vader, all lives matter but I get why people are at the moment focused on BLM.
My point here is that we are focusing on slavery, the Celts were enslaved by the Normans, the Celts were enslaved by the Romans, as in Greece, Constantinople, India, Persia, etc etc.Slavery was part of life, all races and colours enslaving each other, it isn’t only White people who have enslaved others.
Wasn’t the UK the first country to push anti-slavery laws and tasked part of Royal Navy to blockade the West Coast of Africa.
Lord.Vader said:
I see you miss out the Catholic Church.
You can do whatever you want with statues, as you say they can go into a museum.
What about these ‘slavers’, such as the chap in Bristol, who developed and invested in their local areas? The statue wasn’t put up because he was a ‘slaver’ but because of the good he did, that doesn’t matter?
Owners are taking them down because of the mob mentality and the risk that they will be targeted next, if I went out and pulled down a local statue I’d be arrested, so why aren’t the protesters?
The ‘pro-slaver hill’ what an absolute cretin, I hope you don’t hit your head when you fall off your high horse. breaking the law is breaking the law, irrespective of the reason.
IIRC the last time statues in the U.K. came under attack it was on ‘Bomber Harris’. Those that disapproved of the Dresden air attacks WW11. You can do whatever you want with statues, as you say they can go into a museum.
What about these ‘slavers’, such as the chap in Bristol, who developed and invested in their local areas? The statue wasn’t put up because he was a ‘slaver’ but because of the good he did, that doesn’t matter?
Owners are taking them down because of the mob mentality and the risk that they will be targeted next, if I went out and pulled down a local statue I’d be arrested, so why aren’t the protesters?
The ‘pro-slaver hill’ what an absolute cretin, I hope you don’t hit your head when you fall off your high horse. breaking the law is breaking the law, irrespective of the reason.
Edited by Lord.Vader on Wednesday 10th June 16:09
Not sure how the Americans feel about the Nagasaki bomb?
Both far removed from police actions against Black people in America.
Lord.Vader said:
crankedup said:
Where are the ‘anti BLM mob’ I haven’t heard or seen anybody who are anti BLM. I agree with Lord Vader, all lives matter but I get why people are at the moment focused on BLM.
My point here is that we are focusing on slavery, the Celts were enslaved by the Normans, the Celts were enslaved by the Romans, as in Greece, Constantinople, India, Persia, etc etc.Slavery was part of life, all races and colours enslaving each other, it isn’t only White people who have enslaved others.
Wasn’t the UK the first country to push anti-slavery laws and tasked part of Royal Navy to blockade the West Coast of Africa.
I have for a very long period of time been against the exportation of migrant workers coming into the U.K. working for a pittance wage. Of course they are not slaves and most do so of their own fee will,
however we seemed very happy to welcome such cheap labour. Big business exploting.
Lord.Vader said:
My point here is that we are focusing on slavery, the Celts were enslaved by the Normans, the Celts were enslaved by the Romans, as in Greece, Constantinople, India, Persia, etc etc.
We can take down the statues of the main perpetrators of that once you find some.Lord.Vader said:
it isn’t only White people who have enslaved others.
Only your own victim complex is making you think that anybody is saying that.Lord.Vader said:
Wasn’t the UK the first country to push anti-slavery laws
Yes, prior to the Colston statue being put up. The people responsible for ending slavery would make much better candidates to be celebrated by public monuments.mx5nut said:
Yes, prior to the Colston statue being put up. The people responsible for ending slavery would make much better candidates to be celebrated by public monuments.
They are all long dead. The statue would have faded into obscurity, the plaque covered in fresh guano much like those of former slave traders and slave owners. No one worships these statues and those that paid for them to be erected are also long dead. All they are now are art/cultural pieces that remind us of that once upon a time people got together and erected statues of those that did something for them - acts of generosity or bravery that may or may not make up for their other less celebrious or nefarious traits. It is good to know where you come from (hence the uptake of DNA testing kits - funnily enough I found out I have far more Emerald Isle blood then I previously thought (I'm more Irish than anything else - and I thought I was only a plastic paddy)) and the historic towns of world would be lessened if you remove the historical statues and replaced them with "approved" statues. Heck if they remove the Oliver Cromwell one - where am I supposed to take a leak after too many Guinness's at St. Stephen's Tavern.....
mx5nut said:
Four Litre said:
My concerns are that the recent protests are also being used as a cover to try to bring down Trump in a very undemocratic way.
Four Litre said:
Could this be an attempt to derail Brexit and also bring down the conservative government?
How did so many people on the winning side of all three of these issues become so radicalised to believe that they were the poor put upon underdog victims, to the point that they could see a group that has faced genuine persecution and attacks campaign for that to improve and twist it to be an attack on themselves?I know they were raised with the "me me me" culture, but even so - not everything is about you!
If you genuinely think that Brexit, Trump and the Tories are on the same side as slave traders (I don't), you might want to take a step back and think about how you ended up supporting that side.
mx5nut said:
Lord.Vader said:
My point here is that we are focusing on slavery, the Celts were enslaved by the Normans, the Celts were enslaved by the Romans, as in Greece, Constantinople, India, Persia, etc etc.
We can take down the statues of the main perpetrators of that once you find some.Lord.Vader said:
it isn’t only White people who have enslaved others.
Only your own victim complex is making you think that anybody is saying that.Lord.Vader said:
Wasn’t the UK the first country to push anti-slavery laws
Yes, prior to the Colston statue being put up. The people responsible for ending slavery would make much better candidates to be celebrated by public monuments.
You really are an obnoxious little man.A ‘victim’ complex? Really? I’m not the victim of anything, quite the opposite, but if it makes you feel nice and secure in your little bubble you throw labels about.
Essentially any historical figure, pre 18th century, was involved in, owned, or had slaves working for them via a third party.
Shall we dismantle Ancient Rome? Surely a sign of oppression and slavery?
What about the Pyramids?
Lambeth Palace?
Should George Washington be removed from bank notes, his statues taken down and his face removed from Mt Rushmore?
Or are we only focusing on statues?
Lord.Vader said:
Wasn’t the UK the first country to push anti-slavery laws and tasked part of Royal Navy to blockade the West Coast of Africa.
It’s ironic that those on the ships preventing slavery about 25% of the crew were impressed men or men forced to serve against their will. About 50% were volunteers, the other 25% were other statuses, most likely impressed men who had regularised their status.You mention India, didn’t one of the Delhi rulers skin all his slaves alive in retribution for an uprising?
bad company said:
HustleRussell said:
Lord.Vader said:
Generally I despise Katie Hopkins but she actually asked a number of valid questions;
Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
Classic rhetoric of the 'reluctantly moderate' right wing.Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
independent of your skin colour.
Esceptico said:
bad company said:
HustleRussell said:
Lord.Vader said:
Generally I despise Katie Hopkins but she actually asked a number of valid questions;
Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
Classic rhetoric of the 'reluctantly moderate' right wing.Why do black lives matter any more than anyone else’s, all lives matter?
independent of your skin colour.
Lived experiences and all that.
Esceptico said:
It is a bad faith argument and you know it. Black people are not saying that black people’s lives should matter more than white people. Their lived experience is that currently there is inequality and black lives are not worth as much as white lives (in the US but to a lesser extent in the U.K. too). They are just asking for equality ie all lives matter
independent of your skin colour.
Well the general impression is that they are only asking equality for blacks i.e. racism only exists against blacks.independent of your skin colour.
If the true meaning behind this is against racism, the slogan should be all lives matter i.e. we are all the same race, human race.
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