Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign
Discussion
Evanivitch said:
Murph7355 said:
Nor have we had people being paid 80% of their wages, significant uplifts in Universal Credit, large amounts of support money being provided to councils to support hardship etc being shelled out. And as I keep carping on about, things like Child Benefit remain in place and should on their own be enough to feed kids (as plenty of parents who are on little income prove).
So people have taken a 20% paycut, had a £80 month benefits increase to cover the increased cost of shopping and travel during Covid restrictions, money has gone to Councils to home the homeless, and also support those too vulnerable to shop themselves and incapable of using online shopping.And child benefit which is supposed to support the cost of feeding, clothing, cleaning, housing, educating (because that wasn't happening) and entertaining a child for £23 a week.
The point is, children are still falling through the gap. And for what is an insignificant cost to the English taxpayer they could have papered the cracks. They didn't.
They are being given the money by the government to stay at home and isolate themselves as much as they can.
A person only gets a `wage' when they have done some work to earn it.
Since everything s pretty well shut, what are people spending money on, whilst they are in lock down? are they jetting off on foreign holidays, buying new cars, having the house done up whilst they are still inside it, Getting married, holding huge parties, buying new TV`s or other expensive electronic devices?
All they really have to do (and spend money on) is stay inside, keep warm now it is winter, get food,, and entertain themselves as best they can, and some it seems cannot even do this without moaning.
Some years ago the people of this country were being asked to stay `away' from their homes, (sometimes for years, not just a few weeks) and go hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles from it, where they were subjected to extremes of heat, rain and cold, had poor food, whilst being exposed to exotic diseases or frostbite, and shelled, shot at, or bombed, all on very low pay, with little or no opportunity to communicate with their families, let alone see them.
Perhaps we have largely become a nation of utter snowflakes? In which case we will deserve whatever we get.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Thursday 5th November 11:38
Evanivitch said:
poo at Paul's said:
What you cannot do, is feed it two processed micromeals and biscuits and crisps for breakfast for a quid a day, and you cannot do that if you spend your money on other things that are not as important as actual sustinance to maintain life
It's quite difficult to cook a cheap, nutritious meal if you can't go to the shops often for fresh produce, or you don't have the right cooking equipment in the house to do so
kwitOddCat said:
Evanivitch said:
poo at Paul's said:
What you cannot do, is feed it two processed micromeals and biscuits and crisps for breakfast for a quid a day, and you cannot do that if you spend your money on other things that are not as important as actual sustinance to maintain life
It's quite difficult to cook a cheap, nutritious meal if you can't go to the shops often for fresh produce, or you don't have the right cooking equipment in the house to do sokwitFunny that people are talking about putting kids in to care in extreme cases. If an adult is that deficient they should have a carer
And lacking the equipment? What an absolute load of b
ks. You can get a camping stove for the price of McDonalds. Evanivitch said:
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The point is, children are still falling through the gap. And for what is an insignificant cost to the English taxpayer they could have papered the cracks. They didn't.
The specific children that are falling through the gaps need to be helped. And that means the root causes assessed properly without emotion. (And I agree, if they need food right now, give them food right now).The point is, children are still falling through the gap. And for what is an insignificant cost to the English taxpayer they could have papered the cracks. They didn't.
Everything broken down is peanuts to the taxpayer. Doesn't seem to make my tax bill or yours no doubt amount to peanuts though. (Yes, I would rather it was spent on this than myriad other govt expenditure. But if we compared what was top of our lists of what should fall by the wayside they would likely differ too).
The government HAVE provided additional assistance to amounts that should already be being used for those purposes. As noted, other parents manage on those amounts. So it is evidently possible. Throwing more peanuts at people without fully understanding whether peanuts will actually solve the problem is not even papering over the cracks. It's a crying shame that there will never be any empirical info on just how many of the free meals being offered were taken up, or properly empirical info on the volumes of children in these situations and how they are being changed by the crack papering.
Plenty of money has been thrown at this problem over the last 50yrs and yet still it exists. Why? Generally where problems are concerned, it's usually because the root causes aren't being tackled.
The right cooking equipment is a crock too.
I can cook a decent meal for 4 with good ingredients in one pan, and using one ring, do it all the time camping, although then it is usually for more people.
As for access to food, ffs, this is 2020. There is more availability of food, cheaper, 7 days per week than ever before. Online shopping will deliver fresh as well as frozen. If you have space for a freezer you have space for a fridge.
The issue is not where we live, what is available, nor money, cooking facilities or equipment. It is fkwittery and having no ‘gump’, pure and simple. And instead of people taking to the net to find out how to cook etc, they take to Facebook to Macon that the government is not giving them enough money to waste on shyte.
I can cook a decent meal for 4 with good ingredients in one pan, and using one ring, do it all the time camping, although then it is usually for more people.
As for access to food, ffs, this is 2020. There is more availability of food, cheaper, 7 days per week than ever before. Online shopping will deliver fresh as well as frozen. If you have space for a freezer you have space for a fridge.
The issue is not where we live, what is available, nor money, cooking facilities or equipment. It is f
kwittery and having no ‘gump’, pure and simple. And instead of people taking to the net to find out how to cook etc, they take to Facebook to Macon that the government is not giving them enough money to waste on shyte. Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The main issue is that people are not being paid a wage, for doing their normal job of work, because owing to CV19, many cannot go to work.
They are being given the money by the government to stay at home and isolate themselves as much as they can.
A person only gets a `wage' when they have done some work to earn it.
Since everything s pretty well shut, what are people spending money on, whilst they are in lock down? are they jetting off on foreign holidays, buying new cars, having the house done up whilst they are still inside it, Getting married, holding huge parties, buying new TV`s or other expensive electronic devices?
All they really have to do (and spend money on) is stay inside, keep warm now it is winter, get food,, and entertain themselves as best they can, and some it seems cannot even do this without moaning.
Some years ago the people of this country were being asked to stay `away' from their homes, (sometimes for years, not just a few weeks) and go hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles from it, where they were subjected to extremes of heat, rain and cold, had poor food, whilst being exposed to exotic diseases or frostbite, and shelled, shot at, or bombed, all on very low pay, with little or no opportunity to communicate with their families, let alone see them.
Perhaps we have largely become a nation of utter snowflakes? In which case we will deserve whatever we get.
Yes, people on furlough don’t have to pay for commute, parking, more pricey lunches at work etc etc. They have as much time as they like to work out how to save a few quid or learn how to cook. And of course, most do. But some don’t, won’t or just use it as political bullsThey are being given the money by the government to stay at home and isolate themselves as much as they can.
A person only gets a `wage' when they have done some work to earn it.
Since everything s pretty well shut, what are people spending money on, whilst they are in lock down? are they jetting off on foreign holidays, buying new cars, having the house done up whilst they are still inside it, Getting married, holding huge parties, buying new TV`s or other expensive electronic devices?
All they really have to do (and spend money on) is stay inside, keep warm now it is winter, get food,, and entertain themselves as best they can, and some it seems cannot even do this without moaning.
Some years ago the people of this country were being asked to stay `away' from their homes, (sometimes for years, not just a few weeks) and go hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles from it, where they were subjected to extremes of heat, rain and cold, had poor food, whilst being exposed to exotic diseases or frostbite, and shelled, shot at, or bombed, all on very low pay, with little or no opportunity to communicate with their families, let alone see them.
Perhaps we have largely become a nation of utter snowflakes? In which case we will deserve whatever we get.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Thursday 5th November 11:38
t fodder as is the case here. The poster saying people don’t have right equipment to cook with, can’t get to the shops, Yada Yama, tell me, do you think Lucy Houghton with her mug all over the BBC claiming hardship is in this caterfory? Unable to get milk for her blueberry pancakes, kid at public school....? Because these are the muppets claiming poverty and hardship.
poo at Paul's said:
The right cooking equipment is a crock too.
I can cook a decent meal for 4 with good ingredients in one pan, and using one ring, do it all the time camping, although then it is usually for more people.
I'm sure you can. Now do it every day, 3 meals a day for a family of four. I can get through gas pretty quickly in the field just making wets and warming rat packs, you'd burn through camping gas at a silly rate cooking for a family.I can cook a decent meal for 4 with good ingredients in one pan, and using one ring, do it all the time camping, although then it is usually for more people.
poo at Paul's said:
As for access to food, ffs, this is 2020. There is more availability of food, cheaper, 7 days per week than ever before. Online shopping will deliver fresh as well as frozen. If you have space for a freezer you have space for a fridge.
The issue is not where we live, what is available, nor money, cooking facilities or equipment. It is fkwittery and having no ‘gump’, pure and simple. And instead of people taking to the net to find out how to cook etc, they take to Facebook to Macon that the government is not giving them enough money to waste on shyte.
How far up your own arse do you live?The issue is not where we live, what is available, nor money, cooking facilities or equipment. It is f
kwittery and having no ‘gump’, pure and simple. And instead of people taking to the net to find out how to cook etc, they take to Facebook to Macon that the government is not giving them enough money to waste on shyte. Not everyone lives next door to a supermarket. Corner shops and convenience stores are increasingly expensive to buy meals. Doing a family food shop on public transport with children is difficult enough. That was before Covid restrictions on public transport, restrictions on people in shops and pressure not to mix households (or allow grandparents to child mind).
The fact you can see nothing of this is quite clear that you've lived a privileged lifestyle. Congratulations, you won the lottery of life. There's people out there struggling, and not always through fault of their own. And they were struggling before their 20% paycut, the limitations of movement and the reduction in public transport.
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
During the 80's I had a 17% APR mortgage ( well it went from 8% - 17%, for a time), single income (employed electrician) with 2 young children. Some days we had beans on toast or pasta and something no luxuries and not much fun but my children never went hungry.
My eldest son who is now in his 40's asked why we never went to many places on holiday when he was young, I said to him put your mortgage into an online calculator at 17% interest and tell me how many holidays will you be taking.
My eldest son who is now in his 40's asked why we never went to many places on holiday when he was young, I said to him put your mortgage into an online calculator at 17% interest and tell me how many holidays will you be taking.
Edited by L1OFF on Thursday 5th November 13:08
R Mutt said:
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
Evanivitch said:
R Mutt said:
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
Evanivitch said:
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
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The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
btw...The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. ...
If the problem is genuinely as acute as portrayed, I am all for providing a food box for people who need it....as long as child benefit is then withdrawn to cover the cost. Clothing can also be provided.
I have yet to be convinced that the reason kids are going hungry is lack of money (NB I am not doubting that there are kids going hungry, nor that they shouldn't be). We have been throwing money at the problem for a long time. It does not cure the problem.
Something else needs to.
Far from "penny pinching" I would spend more money to ensure the problem gets dealt with properly. But if in the process of doing that you are covering what other avenues of current funding are intended for, then they should be removed and the cost applied differently to solve the issue. Govt expenditure is not a bottomless pit and every single area of it should be scrutinised constantly.
Labour candidate admits faking empty plates from children.
https://order-order.com/2020/11/05/exposed-labour-...
https://www.facebook.com/1557737905/posts/10223663...
I don't think anybody will care that it's been faked, the pictures have already gone viral on social media which is as good as "fact" for most people who get their news form memes. Although I expect that FSM is old news now, and won't crop up again in the media until Christmas where MP's will have to go through this charade again.
https://order-order.com/2020/11/05/exposed-labour-...
https://www.facebook.com/1557737905/posts/10223663...
I don't think anybody will care that it's been faked, the pictures have already gone viral on social media which is as good as "fact" for most people who get their news form memes. Although I expect that FSM is old news now, and won't crop up again in the media until Christmas where MP's will have to go through this charade again.
Evanivitch said:
What's the obsession with more bureaucracy? The money you save by administrating such a change would cost more than the money saved. It's petty that you think the welfare of children is a game of penny snatching for no net gain to the taxpayer.
If you have an income over £50k, you can't claim child benefit.Equally, if you claim food parcels, you couldn't claim child benefit.
Not much bureaucracy there.
The reason for being "petty" is that these children are not being fed because their parents are not spending child benefit on their food.
If you reward that irresponsibility, you encourage people to abrograte their responsibilities and simply make the problem worse - the worse parents they are, the more government will give them.
Murph7355 said:
Nope, it's about education.
I have yet to be convinced that the reason kids are going hungry is lack of money (NB I am not doubting that there are kids going hungry, nor that they shouldn't be). We have been throwing money at the problem for a long time. It does not cure the problem.
Something else needs to.
Far from "penny pinching" I would spend more money to ensure the problem gets dealt with properly. But if in the process of doing that you are covering what other avenues of current funding are intended for, then they should be removed and the cost applied differently to solve the issue. Govt expenditure is not a bottomless pit and every single area of it should be scrutinised constantly.
I agree, mostly. But what you're suggesting is a long term effort of education to improve skills and knowledge. That doesn't answer the immediate problem.I have yet to be convinced that the reason kids are going hungry is lack of money (NB I am not doubting that there are kids going hungry, nor that they shouldn't be). We have been throwing money at the problem for a long time. It does not cure the problem.
Something else needs to.
Far from "penny pinching" I would spend more money to ensure the problem gets dealt with properly. But if in the process of doing that you are covering what other avenues of current funding are intended for, then they should be removed and the cost applied differently to solve the issue. Govt expenditure is not a bottomless pit and every single area of it should be scrutinised constantly.
loafer123 said:
If you have an income over £50k, you can't claim child benefit.
Equally, if you claim food parcels, you couldn't claim child benefit.
Not much bureaucracy there.
The reason for being "petty" is that these children are not being fed because their parents are not spending child benefit on their food.
If you reward that irresponsibility, you encourage people to abrograte their responsibilities and simply make the problem worse - the worse parents they are, the more government will give them.
In the meantime, crap parents are still not being fed. So you're punishing the children for their parents' failures.Equally, if you claim food parcels, you couldn't claim child benefit.
Not much bureaucracy there.
The reason for being "petty" is that these children are not being fed because their parents are not spending child benefit on their food.
If you reward that irresponsibility, you encourage people to abrograte their responsibilities and simply make the problem worse - the worse parents they are, the more government will give them.
That's beyond petty, that's deplorable.
Evanivitch said:
loafer123 said:
If you have an income over £50k, you can't claim child benefit.
Equally, if you claim food parcels, you couldn't claim child benefit.
Not much bureaucracy there.
The reason for being "petty" is that these children are not being fed because their parents are not spending child benefit on their food.
If you reward that irresponsibility, you encourage people to abrograte their responsibilities and simply make the problem worse - the worse parents they are, the more government will give them.
In the meantime, crap parents are still not being fed. So you're punishing the children for their parents' failures.Equally, if you claim food parcels, you couldn't claim child benefit.
Not much bureaucracy there.
The reason for being "petty" is that these children are not being fed because their parents are not spending child benefit on their food.
If you reward that irresponsibility, you encourage people to abrograte their responsibilities and simply make the problem worse - the worse parents they are, the more government will give them.
That's beyond petty, that's deplorable.
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