Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign
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Biggy Stardust said:
Evanivitch said:
Where's the financial incentive in breakfast clubs and a decent lunch in school? Or packed lunches during holidays?
As child benefit is for the purpose of feeding the kids maybe remove some of that money from the parent? If they then fail to clothe & shoe the kids we could resort to public birching.Evanivitch said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Evanivitch said:
Where's the financial incentive in breakfast clubs and a decent lunch in school? Or packed lunches during holidays?
As child benefit is for the purpose of feeding the kids maybe remove some of that money from the parent? If they then fail to clothe & shoe the kids we could resort to public birching.I get the feeling that for some parents no amount of attempts at re-education would work.
Biggy Stardust said:
Just public birching followed by a spell in the stocks with unrestricted hurling of rotten fruit/eggs, then. No worries.
I get the feeling that for some parents no amount of attempts at re-education would work.
Probably not and I'm sure most people would support something in between doing nothing v the stocks.I get the feeling that for some parents no amount of attempts at re-education would work.
I think the issue is more the view that doing things where the only people who lose out are the kids who are blameless in all of this is an appropriate response.
Biggy Stardust said:
I get the feeling that for some parents no amount of attempts at re-education would work.
Actual education of parents is a relatively new thing, and things like budgeting and better management of food (reducing waste, economic cooking) is at the heart of what food banks have taken upon themselves to provide.And that's the issue. Every penny we could have invested in reducing the impacts of low incomes and poverty has been blocked on the basis of spite. And so we end up in loop of poverty resulting in poverty.
I know everyone loves a bit of James O'Brien but this is worth a listen as it's actually rather illustrative of the "we need to look after our own" mentality.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1461304500598280197...
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1461304500598280197...
pquinn said:
If only he cared as much about dogs being mutilated as he does about preaching about cheap food.
Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
You seem absolutely desperate to find some way to criticise or denigrate him. It's pathetic. Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
Countdown said:
pquinn said:
If only he cared as much about dogs being mutilated as he does about preaching about cheap food.
Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
You seem absolutely desperate to find some way to criticise or denigrate him. It's pathetic. Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
pquinn said:
Countdown said:
pquinn said:
If only he cared as much about dogs being mutilated as he does about preaching about cheap food.
Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
You seem absolutely desperate to find some way to criticise or denigrate him. It's pathetic. Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
Legacywr said:
pquinn said:
Countdown said:
pquinn said:
If only he cared as much about dogs being mutilated as he does about preaching about cheap food.
Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
You seem absolutely desperate to find some way to criticise or denigrate him. It's pathetic. Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/puppies-b...
g4ry13 said:
Legacywr said:
pquinn said:
Countdown said:
pquinn said:
If only he cared as much about dogs being mutilated as he does about preaching about cheap food.
Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
You seem absolutely desperate to find some way to criticise or denigrate him. It's pathetic. Only taken four years for his name to come back around connected to dog ear cropping.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/puppies-b...
That's an old story from back in 2018.
Rashford (and other rich soccer stars) tend to buy protection dogs, usually fearsome dogs. They get them from a Midlands dog company called 'Chaperone K9'. Some might recall Andy Carroll back in 2016 when he made the non-footie news after he was targeted by crim gang with guns while waiting at traffic lights - so he bought a pair of mastiffs to protect him - the dogs cost him a pretty penny, well, £30k (hardly the kinda dog for walkies, eh?).
Rashford got his 'cropped' ear doggie, a Russian Can Corsa, from the same firm. It is illegal to 'crop' dog's ears in the UK but not illegal to import and sell them. Double standards, eh?
Pics appeared on Instagram taken by him of his dogs (plural, he has several), inc the cropped ear Can Corsa - clothed in Man Utd footie shirts.
Make of that what you will.
Rashford (and other rich soccer stars) tend to buy protection dogs, usually fearsome dogs. They get them from a Midlands dog company called 'Chaperone K9'. Some might recall Andy Carroll back in 2016 when he made the non-footie news after he was targeted by crim gang with guns while waiting at traffic lights - so he bought a pair of mastiffs to protect him - the dogs cost him a pretty penny, well, £30k (hardly the kinda dog for walkies, eh?).
Rashford got his 'cropped' ear doggie, a Russian Can Corsa, from the same firm. It is illegal to 'crop' dog's ears in the UK but not illegal to import and sell them. Double standards, eh?
Pics appeared on Instagram taken by him of his dogs (plural, he has several), inc the cropped ear Can Corsa - clothed in Man Utd footie shirts.
Make of that what you will.
I see him and Tom Keridge have developed a Xmas meal for a tenner, but it’s a bit vague as to how many it feeds.
Fair play, It’s always been clear that with a bit of effort and thought, and using fresh ingredients and actually cooking, not heating up, plates of food are pretty bloody cheap.
Be interesting to see how many they can convince to have a go and cook up the stuffed turkey roll and veg mash etc, for Xmas day.
I may have a go at it in lieu of our works Xmas lunch, cancelled today.
Fair play, It’s always been clear that with a bit of effort and thought, and using fresh ingredients and actually cooking, not heating up, plates of food are pretty bloody cheap.
Be interesting to see how many they can convince to have a go and cook up the stuffed turkey roll and veg mash etc, for Xmas day.
I may have a go at it in lieu of our works Xmas lunch, cancelled today.
dandarez said:
That's an old story from back in 2018.
Rashford (and other rich soccer stars) tend to buy protection dogs, usually fearsome dogs. They get them from a Midlands dog company called 'Chaperone K9'. Some might recall Andy Carroll back in 2016 when he made the non-footie news after he was targeted by crim gang with guns while waiting at traffic lights - so he bought a pair of mastiffs to protect him - the dogs cost him a pretty penny, well, £30k (hardly the kinda dog for walkies, eh?).
Rashford got his 'cropped' ear doggie, a Russian Can Corsa, from the same firm. It is illegal to 'crop' dog's ears in the UK but not illegal to import and sell them. Double standards, eh?
Pics appeared on Instagram taken by him of his dogs (plural, he has several), inc the cropped ear Can Corsa - clothed in Man Utd footie shirts.
Make of that what you will.
I have a degree of sympathy.Rashford (and other rich soccer stars) tend to buy protection dogs, usually fearsome dogs. They get them from a Midlands dog company called 'Chaperone K9'. Some might recall Andy Carroll back in 2016 when he made the non-footie news after he was targeted by crim gang with guns while waiting at traffic lights - so he bought a pair of mastiffs to protect him - the dogs cost him a pretty penny, well, £30k (hardly the kinda dog for walkies, eh?).
Rashford got his 'cropped' ear doggie, a Russian Can Corsa, from the same firm. It is illegal to 'crop' dog's ears in the UK but not illegal to import and sell them. Double standards, eh?
Pics appeared on Instagram taken by him of his dogs (plural, he has several), inc the cropped ear Can Corsa - clothed in Man Utd footie shirts.
Make of that what you will.
My mate is a chippy and he and is part of a team of (highly proficient and trustworthy) tradesmen that spend most of their time trouping from one footballer's house to another. Most of them have necessarily high security as a precaution, but some because they have had the misfortune to be targeted. If you are in the public eye, you have to be very careful and a dog is one of the few, legally permitted forms of protection.
The dog is bought as a working dog, ready trained and I think the cropping of the ears was likely coincidental rather than being specified.
Digga said:
I have a degree of sympathy.
My mate is a chippy and he and is part of a team of (highly proficient and trustworthy) tradesmen that spend most of their time trouping from one footballer's house to another. Most of them have necessarily high security as a precaution, but some because they have had the misfortune to be targeted. If you are in the public eye, you have to be very careful and a dog is one of the few, legally permitted forms of protection.
The dog is bought as a working dog, ready trained and I think the cropping of the ears was likely coincidental rather than being specified.
I don't know anything about dogs and I wouldn't be surprised if Rashford knows very little either.My mate is a chippy and he and is part of a team of (highly proficient and trustworthy) tradesmen that spend most of their time trouping from one footballer's house to another. Most of them have necessarily high security as a precaution, but some because they have had the misfortune to be targeted. If you are in the public eye, you have to be very careful and a dog is one of the few, legally permitted forms of protection.
The dog is bought as a working dog, ready trained and I think the cropping of the ears was likely coincidental rather than being specified.
There's a difference between ignorance and "can you crop its ears please?".
Whether purchased or carried out in ignorance or not. By putting this poor dog all over his Instagram, he's created an instant demand for similarly mutilated dogs.
Perhaps he should get his PR agency to launch a campaign on his behalf to campaign against this abhorrent practice. It seems to be something that's well within his normal scope of operations to arrange.
The initial ignorance I can forgive. But surely he's not ignorant of the issues now or of the effect his actions have had on the problem?
Perhaps he should get his PR agency to launch a campaign on his behalf to campaign against this abhorrent practice. It seems to be something that's well within his normal scope of operations to arrange.
The initial ignorance I can forgive. But surely he's not ignorant of the issues now or of the effect his actions have had on the problem?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Digga said:
I have a degree of sympathy.
My mate is a chippy and he and is part of a team of (highly proficient and trustworthy) tradesmen that spend most of their time trouping from one footballer's house to another. Most of them have necessarily high security as a precaution, but some because they have had the misfortune to be targeted. If you are in the public eye, you have to be very careful and a dog is one of the few, legally permitted forms of protection.
The dog is bought as a working dog, ready trained and I think the cropping of the ears was likely coincidental rather than being specified.
I don't know anything about dogs and I wouldn't be surprised if Rashford knows very little either.My mate is a chippy and he and is part of a team of (highly proficient and trustworthy) tradesmen that spend most of their time trouping from one footballer's house to another. Most of them have necessarily high security as a precaution, but some because they have had the misfortune to be targeted. If you are in the public eye, you have to be very careful and a dog is one of the few, legally permitted forms of protection.
The dog is bought as a working dog, ready trained and I think the cropping of the ears was likely coincidental rather than being specified.
There's a difference between ignorance and "can you crop its ears please?".
Buying a dog which has had it's ears cropped is very different from buying one and requesting the operation.
I do also feel that for working dogs, which properly trained guard dogs most definitely are, there is an argument for safety/welfare of the dog in worst case scenario, for docking tails and ears. This for very, very specific cases and only with controls and not for the average chav-on-the-street.
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