Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
The ultimate in naivety.
The summer holiday gig cured nothing if we're still seeing rises.
I would now have more respect for Rashford if he started looking for proper solutions to this.
It's a piece of piss to soft soap. Slightly more difficult to do something that isn't throwing other people's money at a problem that starts and ends with parenting.
Just out of curiosity how can you not respect someone when they're simply trying to do some good?The summer holiday gig cured nothing if we're still seeing rises.
I would now have more respect for Rashford if he started looking for proper solutions to this.
It's a piece of piss to soft soap. Slightly more difficult to do something that isn't throwing other people's money at a problem that starts and ends with parenting.
You don't agree with what he's doing I think you've made that pretty clear.
But not respecting someone because they want to see children fed?
That's a bit odd
El stovey said:
Nasty nasty Torys letting the kids starve over Christmas and their nasty party supporters cheering on whilst tucking into Christmas dinner, stuffing Turkey into their fat nasty Tory faces!
Stolen from the Boris thread but it's more likely to be the taxpayer subsidised mini sirloin of beef with mini steak and kidney pudding.I presume the steak and kidney pudding is because a mini sirloin couldn't possibly be enough.
crankedup said:
What is the definition of under privileged, is there a National formula based on income? Genuine question.
Once a campaign sets rolling those Corporations seen not to participate are ‘called out’ and shamed.
I don't think there is a single accepted definition.Once a campaign sets rolling those Corporations seen not to participate are ‘called out’ and shamed.
I've seen families earning 60% of the median national wage but I think it's one where you can find and spin statistics to prove/disprove anything you want to.
bobbo89 said:
It's frustrating that people don't get this. People seem to think that by throwing a bit of money about you can solve the problem and pat yourself on the back as the hero who saved the starving kids.
The problem with this is that they've not addressed the root problem of the useless s
t bag parents who've failed and will continue to fail to provide for their kids regardless of what they've already been given in order to do so.
Equally a lot of people also seem to think that you can throw around a few trite phrases like "leveling up" whilst leaving it to a footballer to deal with an imminent problem.The problem with this is that they've not addressed the root problem of the useless s
t bag parents who've failed and will continue to fail to provide for their kids regardless of what they've already been given in order to do so. When a footballer and thousands of small struggling businesses and even McDonalds come out of something looking better than the Government for making sure kids get fed something has gone wrong.
Ask yourself what Johnson was signing off with last night.
bobbo89 said:
You've completely missed the point.
How much do the government need to give people before you accept that never mind how much they do give, certain people wont spend it on what they're meant to. These people who aren't budgeting to put food in their own kids mouths, who arent prioritising their own kids welfare, will continue not to do so regardless of whats given to them.
I don't think I have.How much do the government need to give people before you accept that never mind how much they do give, certain people wont spend it on what they're meant to. These people who aren't budgeting to put food in their own kids mouths, who arent prioritising their own kids welfare, will continue not to do so regardless of whats given to them.
You've had a bunch of private businesses step in where Government has failed to act.
Of course you're quite right some people won't spend it on what they're meant to.
But you don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good and I don't see the Government with much of a plan to deal with a looming issue.
greygoose said:
That is the thing I don’t get about this whole issue, the government are supposedly advised by Cummings the genius but this paints them as uncaring and pretty loathsome. It isn’t a huge amount of money compared to the sums thrown about recently so why generate the negative headlines and fight it?
Ideology.OddCat said:
Without reading through this entire thing, has anyone yet come on here to confess that they are one of the parents who can't afford to feed their child and explained exactly why ?
Actually, has anyone come forward on any channel and admitted / explained their situation with supporting detailed income and expenditure maths ?
Ard we even sure this is a thing ? Presumably, most of these parents are on benefits so not affected by Covid. So, as benefits haven't been reduced, and food price inflation hasn't gone nuts, why weren't the kids starving this time last year ?
This is a weird post.Actually, has anyone come forward on any channel and admitted / explained their situation with supporting detailed income and expenditure maths ?
Ard we even sure this is a thing ? Presumably, most of these parents are on benefits so not affected by Covid. So, as benefits haven't been reduced, and food price inflation hasn't gone nuts, why weren't the kids starving this time last year ?
There are literally tons of accounts available with the simplest of Google searches.
The fact nobody on here has laid bare their personal circumstances means absolutely nothing.
OddCat said:
Links ?
That's some oddly selective quoting.You asked "Without reading through this entire thing, has anyone yet come on here to confess that they are one of the parents who can't afford to feed their child and explained exactly why ?"
And I've said you can find lots of examples if you look online.
Starter for ten.
https://www.jrf.org.uk/life-low-income-uk-today
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7746313/M...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/un...
Not too many figures so I'm sure the maths won't be to your liking but I think there's enough there to highlight the reality for some people.
vulture1 said:
Oh and incase anyone is interested i work in a big national supermarket in a deprived area in the produce section. The problem is food education the local mums buy st and no fresh fruit and veg which is cheaper. There is no changing them but the next generatiob could be taught basic food skills and meal preperation.
I don't think for a second that you'll find anyone disagreeing with the idea of teaching children nutrition and cooking skills.t and no fresh fruit and veg which is cheaper. There is no changing them but the next generatiob could be taught basic food skills and meal preperation.Probably doesn't help right now though.
crankedup said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:vulture1 said:
Oh and incase anyone is interested i work in a big national supermarket in a deprived area in the produce section. The problem is food education the local mums buy st and no fresh fruit and veg which is cheaper. There is no changing them but the next generatiob could be taught basic food skills and meal preperation.
I don't think for a second that you'll find anyone disagreeing with the idea of teaching children nutrition and cooking skills.t and no fresh fruit and veg which is cheaper. There is no changing them but the next generatiob could be taught basic food skills and meal preperation.Probably doesn't help right now though.
98elise said:
How expensive do you think fruit and vegetables are? We make most of our food from scratch and it's very cheap. Stuff like spag bol, chili, curry etc comes in at about £1 a portion.
It's meat and veg in a pot with a few spices thrown in. Its way nicer and healthier than readymade meals and it's a piece of piss to make. Week ours in a slow cooker so you don't even have to be there when its cooking.
If you're feeding your kids pizza, chips and baked beans then you are the problem, not the Government.
I agree on the financial element though I do find it staggering how much crap you can also buy for the cost of a pack of mince.It's meat and veg in a pot with a few spices thrown in. Its way nicer and healthier than readymade meals and it's a piece of piss to make. Week ours in a slow cooker so you don't even have to be there when its cooking.
If you're feeding your kids pizza, chips and baked beans then you are the problem, not the Government.
I think perhaps the attraction of "junk food" is it's 10 minutes in the oven and job done.
Affordability is one thing.
Being faced with a pack of mince, some carrots, some onions and tomatoes and knowing what to do with it is another.
petemurphy said:
Fair enough. Obvs didn’t need the vat cut and eat out schemes then
Pete, how do you end up on a Sunday morning arguing that businesses who in many cases are most definitely struggling are in the wrong for trying to do some good in their communities by stepping in where Government have washed their hands?I know people dig in when these things are pointed out to them but I don't get how you end up thinking like that
amare32 said:
crankedup said:
I was amongst many in here that applauded his work and efforts regards the issue. However, he needs to be careful now that he is not perceived as crossing a line and losing his public support.
Yep it’s a fine line. Just look over to America with the likes of LeBron James getting all political only for NBA viewings and revenue taking a tanking. 71% of voters back him according to the polls (take with a pinch of salt of course).
Tories in turmoil over Marcus Rashford's free school meals drive as MPs spark outrage and Downing Street refuses to back down - but poll shows 71% of voters support the footballer's campaign
I don't think the lad has much to worry about.
petemurphy said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Pete, how do you end up on a Sunday morning arguing that businesses who in many cases are most definitely struggling are in the wrong for trying to do some good in their communities by stepping in where Government have washed their hands?
I know people dig in when these things are pointed out to them but I don't get how you end up thinking like that
They haven’t washed their hands they’re ( we’re ) spending billions in benefits though. But fair enough I’m just being argumentative as bored so ignore me! I know people dig in when these things are pointed out to them but I don't get how you end up thinking like that
Look I know I probably sound like a bit of a hand wringer over this one but stop and think about what you're seeing.
Hundreds if not thousands of small and often struggling businesses stepping in to offer free food to children.
You might think that's needed you might think it isn't.
But that's where we are and that's what they're doing.
Whatever your position that should be commended.
Arguing about VAT cuts and eat-out-to-help-out is just plain mean unless you're actually Selaine Saxby.
Murph7355 said:
You come across as someone who needs to be the one thinking harder about it BS.
As noted above, the government are providing a lot of extra money to councils to help people in hardship. Their view is that the councils are better placed to target the funds. They have also upped benefits spending massively for similar reasons.
And yet still we have hungry kids?
I would rather spend more next on social workers and target their interventions on the parents abusing their kids by not feeding them. I actually don't care if it costs more doing this than laying on a free lunch over the holidays - better, longer term solutions are needed. And school meals over the holidays are the tiniest of sticking plasters.
Schools are not there to feed kids. Parents should be.
There’s way too much reactionary squawking on this topic and not enough proper thinking. As soon as people start accusing others with counter opinions of wanting to see kids starve, or governments of having a deliberate agenda to starve kids and keep them uneducated, you know the game is over for ever getting materially useful solutions in place. That needs to be recognised as the ultimate tragedy.
As I said on the Johnson thread Murph we have thousands of struggling businesses who recognise there is an issue and have stepped in.As noted above, the government are providing a lot of extra money to councils to help people in hardship. Their view is that the councils are better placed to target the funds. They have also upped benefits spending massively for similar reasons.
And yet still we have hungry kids?
I would rather spend more next on social workers and target their interventions on the parents abusing their kids by not feeding them. I actually don't care if it costs more doing this than laying on a free lunch over the holidays - better, longer term solutions are needed. And school meals over the holidays are the tiniest of sticking plasters.
Schools are not there to feed kids. Parents should be.
There’s way too much reactionary squawking on this topic and not enough proper thinking. As soon as people start accusing others with counter opinions of wanting to see kids starve, or governments of having a deliberate agenda to starve kids and keep them uneducated, you know the game is over for ever getting materially useful solutions in place. That needs to be recognised as the ultimate tragedy.
The Government couldn't even bring itself to acknowledge their hard work when they were asked to on Friday.
This is what the Childrens Commissioner has to say on the issue as of this morning.
With all due respect I imagine she has a bit more an idea what's needed now than you do.
The UK figure is 4.2M kids in poverty and predicted to rise to 5.2M.
Those are the Governments own numbers.
Some stats from The Children’s Commissioner.
https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/2020/06/2...
and this
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Page 16 specifically mentions the 4.2M figure that it's expected to rise to 5.2M.
Those are the Governments own numbers.
Some stats from The Children’s Commissioner.
https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/2020/06/2...
and this
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Page 16 specifically mentions the 4.2M figure that it's expected to rise to 5.2M.
Interesting that you seem to think the "very worst part of this current government" is how they deal with social media.
That's literally the very worst thing you can find to level at them this past year or so?
All they had to do was to say a few words to make clear that the effort and contribution from all of those businesses many of whom are already struggling actually mattered and was appreciated.
Couldn't bring themselves to do it any more than you can bring yourself to say that they should have.
That's literally the very worst thing you can find to level at them this past year or so?
All they had to do was to say a few words to make clear that the effort and contribution from all of those businesses many of whom are already struggling actually mattered and was appreciated.
Couldn't bring themselves to do it any more than you can bring yourself to say that they should have.
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