Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign

[NMNeil]

chrispmartha said:

One of the following is lying.

Hancock
Johnson
Rashford

Who's your money on?

An old saying "How do you tell if a politician is lying?"
Answer "If his lips are moving"

[anonymous-user]

dandarez said:

Was far dinna dad?

Ask yer mum.

She's out gettin' fags an booze.

Yu'll ave tu wait til she gets back lad, I'm busy on Pistonheads.

Ya bluddy liv on pistonheads, dad.
Ya more intrested in gettin' yur bleedin' post count up.
I'm hungry.

It's funny, I went to the same school as Marcus Rashford, 20 years earlier though. (That's sadly my only claim to fame so I make no excuses for repeating it). It was a grotty estate even then though, it certainly looks more affluent now. I was really young but I clearly remember we used to get these booklets, I presume from the council, and the back page always had this kind of public service cartoon on it about how not to be a feckless idiot. The one that I remember to this day was this one with the mum leaning out the front door shouting to the dad not to spend the rent and he's stood by his Capri with the thought bubble about how he's going to buy a new spoiler for the car. Whythenshawe Council offending PHer's since 1981!

[Alucidnation]

bhstewie said:

Alucidnation said:

Ah but Hancock didn't say when BJ had spoken to him.

Seriously?

Maybe Hancock had his fingers crossed behind his back when he said it does that count too?

[car2021]

BJ is weak, impotent and a clown and another U turn on the way and yes, you and me have to pay via our taxes.

I guess it's good news for Iphone as the money saved by these parents, single parents most of the time where the
so-called father is supposed to be absent, the moeny will be spent on iphones, netflixed and big Macs.

These idiots could not care less about giving our money away as local councils already have safeguards in place for kids, their foods
where the parents are unable to manage money appropriately.

Btw, I'm feeling stressed as a I need a new Merc, anyone help me??

[petemurphy]

panholio said:

Fascinating that link. I did a calc on a single mum with two kids, no savings, looking for work in a council tax band B house with £550 a month rent.

Entitlement is £395 per week, or £1711 per month which is £20,540 a year.

pls tell me thats not true

[nikaiyo2]

poo at Paul's said:

So that is to have a family disposable income less than 60% of the median, the median being £29,400 in UK...."disposable" per the ONS.
That would suggest a family with £17k disposable income a year is in "relative poverty??"
Or about £1500 per month....disposable! If that is correct, and "disposable" means after your housing is paid for, that sounds like quite a lot, particularly in lower income areas of the UK.

I suspect there is many PHers with families who have less than £1500 disposable to live on, who are in receipt of pretty much nothing benefit wise, except maybe child benefit.

That cant be right can it?

£1499 a month to spend on discretionary things is in poverty ?

[Leptons]

petemurphy said:

pls tell me thats not true

It will be, my friend was getting £1400 under the same circumstances but with one child. This was only a few months ago when she had couldn’t open her hair salon due to the lockdown. Her words to me were “I can see why people do it but it’s not for me”.

[Alucidnation]

I wonder how long it will be before we see news reports of all the wasted food that was donated.

[anonymous-user]

nikaiyo2 said:

poo at Paul's said:

So that is to have a family disposable income less than 60% of the median, the median being £29,400 in UK...."disposable" per the ONS.
That would suggest a family with £17k disposable income a year is in "relative poverty??"
Or about £1500 per month....disposable! If that is correct, and "disposable" means after your housing is paid for, that sounds like quite a lot, particularly in lower income areas of the UK.

I suspect there is many PHers with families who have less than £1500 disposable to live on, who are in receipt of pretty much nothing benefit wise, except maybe child benefit.

That cant be right can it?

£1499 a month to spend on discretionary things is in poverty ?

Disposable income is gross income minus any tax.
Discretionary income is disposable income minus all necessities (like rent, food, household bills, transport etc...)

As of July the median household disposable income is 30.8k, so any household with an after tax income of less than 18.48k will be deemed to be in poverty.

[bitchstewie]

Alucidnation said:

I wonder how long it will be before we see news reports of all the wasted food that was donated.

Doubtful.

Hillingdon Foodbank

You could probably see that story repeated lots around the country.

[R Mutt]

Alucidnation said:

I wonder how long it will be before we see news reports of all the wasted food that was donated.

You can't donate fresh stuff due to perishability, but I'm sure many wouldn't know what to do with it.

If I won the lottery I'd set up a veg only food bank.

[loafer123]

R Mutt said:

Alucidnation said:

I wonder how long it will be before we see news reports of all the wasted food that was donated.

You can't donate fresh stuff due to perishability, but I'm sure many wouldn't know what to do with it.

If I won the lottery I'd set up a veg only food bank.

You need to set up a Community Fridge;

https://www.hubbub.org.uk/the-community-fridge

Our has had 3,000 kg of food taken in the first three months of operation, all of which would otherwise have gone to waste.

[Pieman68]

I think it's a very difficult and emotive subject that can only be changed by long term strategy. But in the short term we need to do what we can

Whilst I understand the argument relating to feckless parents, I think we need to remember that this is not the fault of the kids. We're also in an unprecedented situation where many families who are normally working and self-sufficient, have found themselves in a difficult place due to a scenario completely beyond their control

I can see the government's point BUT we are talking about archaic and slow departments and this will not solve the issue in the here and now

I don't have a lot in the way of spare money, but have volunteered for my local chippy to deliver free meals at the weekend (bet i'm the only one who actually has business class insurance )

Surely we all just need to do what we can to make sure the kids are looked after. The feckless parents can rot for all I care but none of it is the kid's fault!

[chrispmartha]

car2021 said:

BJ is weak, impotent and a clown and another U turn on the way and yes, you and me have to pay via our taxes.

I guess it's good news for Iphone as the money saved by these parents, single parents most of the time where the
so-called father is supposed to be absent, the moeny will be spent on iphones, netflixed and big Macs.

These idiots could not care less about giving our money away as local councils already have safeguards in place for kids, their foods
where the parents are unable to manage money appropriately.

Btw, I'm feeling stressed as a I need a new Merc, anyone help me??

Did you spend all your cash on an empathy bypass?

[loafer123]

Pieman68 said:

I think it's a very difficult and emotive subject that can only be changed by long term strategy. But in the short term we need to do what we can

Whilst I understand the argument relating to feckless parents, I think we need to remember that this is not the fault of the kids. We're also in an unprecedented situation where many families who are normally working and self-sufficient, have found themselves in a difficult place due to a scenario completely beyond their control

I can see the government's point BUT we are talking about archaic and slow departments and this will not solve the issue in the here and now

I don't have a lot in the way of spare money, but have volunteered for my local chippy to deliver free meals at the weekend (bet i'm the only one who actually has business class insurance )

Surely we all just need to do what we can to make sure the kids are looked after. The feckless parents can rot for all I care but none of it is the kid's fault!

Well done for volunteering - it will be interesting to get your perspective after you have done a few shifts.

[Munter]

Pieman68 said:

The feckless parents can rot for all I care but none of it is the kid's fault!

I'd prefer to "re-train" the parents and keep the family unit together.

At the top of this page people are talking about their experience of the care system. It's always "remove kid from parents and put in care". It's rarely/never, "put family into care, and correct issues".

How many people don't have a structure to their day, can't budget, can't cook, pass the same to their kids and so on, and so on. Lets take that family, put them in an environment where they have a structure placed on them, where they are taught to cook cheap but good meals, household budgeting, how to look after the house, how to train their kids into being useful to society, helping with homework, and behaving at school.

Ok some parents are criminally horrible people and kids need protecting from them. That'd still have to happen. But some are just 2nd/3rd generation of not having good knowledge/experience of how to run a family. Sure some of those people are so thick you'd hope natural selection would solve it. But it's clearly not going to, and if we can put them back on the rails it'll be better in the long run for everyone.

We could try and set them up to succeed on their own as a family unit (and following generations), rather than complain about paying for them as they fail.

(No we shouldn't have to, but we shouldn't have to have jails, police, armys etc etc. We do though.)

[Alltrack]

anonymous said:

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The single mum’s universal credit isn’t changed by any child support that she gets.
That’s down to the absent father’s income and time spent between the two parents.

[zetec]

Just watching ITV news about the free school meals issue. These poor children who’s parents can’t afford to feed them....they can wear Nike Air Max trainers though

[Dromedary66]

I think the Tories have played this one correctly. They don't need to U-turn because all these restaurants and cafes are doing it for them in return for twitter and facebook likes.

[biggbn]

zetec said:

Just watching ITV news about the free school meals issue. These poor children who’s parents can’t afford to feed them....they can wear Nike Air Max trainers though

...and? This validates their selfish decision to buy big brand tat over cheap, nutritious food? I'm not sure how many times this has been said, or will be, but its not the kids fault. They are kids. Powerless. And hungry. What's your solution. Let them eat Air Max?