Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign
Discussion
poo at Paul's said:
No surprise at all.
They are not interested in actual food or meals for their kids, they just want the vouchers or cash to buy what they want.
This whole story was just political horses
t from the start. Some dreadfully abused kids have died on hunger in the UK, but it is incredibly rare, as are cases of UK kids being malnutritioned.
Indeed. Not so long ago we were being bombarded by the media, about UK children being the most morbidly obese in Europe. Who was it over stuffing their children with junk food then?They are not interested in actual food or meals for their kids, they just want the vouchers or cash to buy what they want.
This whole story was just political horses
t from the start. Some dreadfully abused kids have died on hunger in the UK, but it is incredibly rare, as are cases of UK kids being malnutritioned. Ah yes! that would be some of the parents. just as it is some of exactly the same parents who are letting their children go hungry now.
The government cannot really legislate against stupidity.
OpulentBob said:
I'd like to shoot that "point" down in flames, it's a disgusting thing to say, something I'd expect from North Korea.
I bet every parent displays at least one trait that will have someone frothing that "that's unacceptable, you should never have had kids".
It's really quite a sensible thing to say if you think about it. You should be subjected to a test, and if you're retarded you're not legally allowed to bear children. Call it selective breeding. It's for the greater good. I bet every parent displays at least one trait that will have someone frothing that "that's unacceptable, you should never have had kids".
fiju said:
OpulentBob said:
I'd like to shoot that "point" down in flames, it's a disgusting thing to say, something I'd expect from North Korea.
I bet every parent displays at least one trait that will have someone frothing that "that's unacceptable, you should never have had kids".
It's really quite a sensible thing to say if you think about it. You should be subjected to a test, and if you're retarded you're not legally allowed to bear children. Call it selective breeding. It's for the greater good. I bet every parent displays at least one trait that will have someone frothing that "that's unacceptable, you should never have had kids".
Trouble is, who gets to choose what is and isn't retarded? If it's not me, then I'm not sure I'm up for the policy
bad company said:
My view won’t be popular but:- If you can’t feed it don’t breed it.
In 1991, I had a spreadsheet, on my work computer, which I used to work out if we could afford to have kids. We couldn't. But in 1993 we had the first of 2. Money has Occassionally been very tight. But I figured that if you waited until you could afford it, you'd never be able to. I reckon they have cost £1 million quid in lost earnings and compound interest.
What they've given us is worth more than money.
KingNothing said:
R Mutt said:
Another story from our local Facebook
"Yesterday only a few of these lunches were collected. Please, please, please come and collect a lunch today - they are great - each lunch bag contains a sandwich, a packet of crisps, a yogurt, a piece of fruit and a drink. Please pass this message on to anyone that is in need this half term and please don't feel embarrassed to collect one - everyone is suffering in some way or another during this pandemic and there is no judgment. There is a lot of love in our community please take some"
Not surprised that has happened somewhere, think supply will have outpaced the perceived demand in a lot of areas, loads of places in my local area were offering food parcels, haven't heard if they had people actually take them up on it or not though."Yesterday only a few of these lunches were collected. Please, please, please come and collect a lunch today - they are great - each lunch bag contains a sandwich, a packet of crisps, a yogurt, a piece of fruit and a drink. Please pass this message on to anyone that is in need this half term and please don't feel embarrassed to collect one - everyone is suffering in some way or another during this pandemic and there is no judgment. There is a lot of love in our community please take some"
The way the media were portraying it you'd have thought every kid that was off over half term was going to starve, yet the reality seems quite different.
eccles said:
KingNothing said:
R Mutt said:
Another story from our local Facebook
"Yesterday only a few of these lunches were collected. Please, please, please come and collect a lunch today - they are great - each lunch bag contains a sandwich, a packet of crisps, a yogurt, a piece of fruit and a drink. Please pass this message on to anyone that is in need this half term and please don't feel embarrassed to collect one - everyone is suffering in some way or another during this pandemic and there is no judgment. There is a lot of love in our community please take some"
Not surprised that has happened somewhere, think supply will have outpaced the perceived demand in a lot of areas, loads of places in my local area were offering food parcels, haven't heard if they had people actually take them up on it or not though."Yesterday only a few of these lunches were collected. Please, please, please come and collect a lunch today - they are great - each lunch bag contains a sandwich, a packet of crisps, a yogurt, a piece of fruit and a drink. Please pass this message on to anyone that is in need this half term and please don't feel embarrassed to collect one - everyone is suffering in some way or another during this pandemic and there is no judgment. There is a lot of love in our community please take some"
The way the media were portraying it you'd have thought every kid that was off over half term was going to starve, yet the reality seems quite different.
eccles said:
I've seen several posts on facebook from businesses and groups set up to provide free lunches that there's been no take up at all!
The way the media were portraying it you'd have thought every kid that was off over half term was going to starve, yet the reality seems quite different.
That doesn't really tell you anything, does it?The way the media were portraying it you'd have thought every kid that was off over half term was going to starve, yet the reality seems quite different.
Firstly, free school meals vary hugely based on area. Some parts of Wales for example have 25% of children on free school meals, the Average is 16%, some sub-urban city areas are single digits. A hipster gourmet burger joint setting giving out free school meals outside an affluent area is probably in the wrong place.
Secondly, some schools are delivering free school meals where they know public transport isn't good enough or catchment areas are wide.
And also in some of the most deprived areas, nothing has really changed. They were already suffering with low or under-employment. The jobs they do in manufacturing, construction and essential retail (supermarkets being a huge employer) carry on. They weren't all working in restaurants, arenas and non-essential shops, because there were so few there to begin with.
Evanivitch said:
That doesn't really tell you anything, does it?
Firstly, free school meals vary hugely based on area. Some parts of Wales for example have 25% of children on free school meals, the Average is 16%, some sub-urban city areas are single digits. A hipster gourmet burger joint setting giving out free school meals outside an affluent area is probably in the wrong place.
Secondly, some schools are delivering free school meals where they know public transport isn't good enough or catchment areas are wide.
And also in some of the most deprived areas, nothing has really changed. They were already suffering with low or under-employment. The jobs they do in manufacturing, construction and essential retail (supermarkets being a huge employer) carry on. They weren't all working in restaurants, arenas and non-essential shops, because there were so few there to begin with.
Ergo proper, targeted support being needed, where it is needed.Firstly, free school meals vary hugely based on area. Some parts of Wales for example have 25% of children on free school meals, the Average is 16%, some sub-urban city areas are single digits. A hipster gourmet burger joint setting giving out free school meals outside an affluent area is probably in the wrong place.
Secondly, some schools are delivering free school meals where they know public transport isn't good enough or catchment areas are wide.
And also in some of the most deprived areas, nothing has really changed. They were already suffering with low or under-employment. The jobs they do in manufacturing, construction and essential retail (supermarkets being a huge employer) carry on. They weren't all working in restaurants, arenas and non-essential shops, because there were so few there to begin with.
Murph7355 said:
Ergo proper, targeted support being needed, where it is needed.
The system is too slow to do that. Blanket targeting of all free school meals when the cost of a meal is £1.50 is a lot cheaper than trying to create and administrate a new system in short-order that targets only the free school meals that have parents hit financially by CV19. The inability of the government to support the self employed quickly and effectively should be evidence enough of that.
Evanivitch said:
The system is too slow to do that. Blanket targeting of all free school meals when the cost of a meal is £1.50 is a lot cheaper than trying to create and administrate a new system in short-order that targets only the free school meals that have parents hit financially by CV19.
The inability of the government to support the self employed quickly and effectively should be evidence enough of that.
This isn't "short order". This has been going on for 50yrs.The inability of the government to support the self employed quickly and effectively should be evidence enough of that.
Murph7355 said:
Evanivitch said:
Murph7355 said:
This isn't "short order". This has been going on for 50yrs.
Covid?Zero hours contracts were bad enough for people on benefits to understand what they could claim, but being in-out of 80% furlough, with some receiving top-up to 100%, and self-employed being left to flounder, it means the system could not possibly respond quick enough to a change of circumstances on Friday to ensure there's a voucher available on Monday.
The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. Well, cheaper than asking your Eton chums to setup an IT programme to manage it.
I still think this si nothing to do with money, any kid who is consistently hungry or undernourished is being abused, it is rare, but it happens, and those kids need to be away from their parents.
Parents who claim to want to feed there kids, but cannot afford to, are full of it, IMO. You can feed a kid for a less than 2 quid a day and less than a quid a day if you really need to.
What you cannot do, is feed it two processed micromeals and biscuits and crisps for breakfast for a quid a day, and you cannot do that if you spend your money on other things that are not as important as actual sustinance to maintain life, eg, TV subscriptions, phone contracts, nails, hair, fags, booze etc etc.
If you just give money, the few kids who are not being fed, still wont be being fed. The answer is to take them into care and look after them better. Sadly, if a parent is not providing even the basic need of feeding their kid, there is a lot of other stuff that a kid needs that they are not getting either, so best have them looked after properly elsewhere, difficult as that is to accept.
Parents who claim to want to feed there kids, but cannot afford to, are full of it, IMO. You can feed a kid for a less than 2 quid a day and less than a quid a day if you really need to.
What you cannot do, is feed it two processed micromeals and biscuits and crisps for breakfast for a quid a day, and you cannot do that if you spend your money on other things that are not as important as actual sustinance to maintain life, eg, TV subscriptions, phone contracts, nails, hair, fags, booze etc etc.
If you just give money, the few kids who are not being fed, still wont be being fed. The answer is to take them into care and look after them better. Sadly, if a parent is not providing even the basic need of feeding their kid, there is a lot of other stuff that a kid needs that they are not getting either, so best have them looked after properly elsewhere, difficult as that is to accept.
poo at Paul's said:
Parents who claim to want to feed there kids, but cannot afford to, are full of it, IMO.
Probably best you go back to your ivory castle.Parents already on minimum wage (not living wage) having to take a 20% pay cut for weeks if not months. What doesn't get paid first? The rent? Electricity? Gas?
poo at Paul's said:
What you cannot do, is feed it two processed micromeals and biscuits and crisps for breakfast for a quid a day, and you cannot do that if you spend your money on other things that are not as important as actual sustinance to maintain life
It's quite difficult to cook a cheap, nutritious meal if you can't go to the shops often for fresh produce, or you don't have the right cooking equipment in the house to do so. Microwaves are popular because they're cheap and easy to install.poo at Paul's said:
The answer is to take them into care and look after them better.
Unfortunately, unless they are extreme cases of abuse and despite the best effort of most carers, the care system offers the worst outcomes. Poorer mental health. Higher criminal offending rates. Poorer education outcomes. Ultimately, a higher cost to the taxpayer inside the care system and once they've left.Evanivitch said:
Of course. But we haven't had such a strange and fluid level of employment like this ever before.
Zero hours contracts were bad enough for people on benefits to understand what they could claim, but being in-out of 80% furlough, with some receiving top-up to 100%, and self-employed being left to flounder, it means the system could not possibly respond quick enough to a change of circumstances on Friday to ensure there's a voucher available on Monday.
The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. Well, cheaper than asking your Eton chums to setup an IT programme to manage it.
Nor have we had people being paid 80% of their wages, significant uplifts in Universal Credit, large amounts of support money being provided to councils to support hardship etc being shelled out. And as I keep carping on about, things like Child Benefit remain in place and should on their own be enough to feed kids (as plenty of parents who are on little income prove).Zero hours contracts were bad enough for people on benefits to understand what they could claim, but being in-out of 80% furlough, with some receiving top-up to 100%, and self-employed being left to flounder, it means the system could not possibly respond quick enough to a change of circumstances on Friday to ensure there's a voucher available on Monday.
The cost of a food bag (much the same as what the army receive when outside unit and not in the field) in incredibly inexpensive. Well, cheaper than asking your Eton chums to setup an IT programme to manage it.
Murph7355 said:
Nor have we had people being paid 80% of their wages, significant uplifts in Universal Credit, large amounts of support money being provided to councils to support hardship etc being shelled out. And as I keep carping on about, things like Child Benefit remain in place and should on their own be enough to feed kids (as plenty of parents who are on little income prove).
So people have taken a 20% paycut, had a £80 month benefits increase to cover the increased cost of shopping and travel during Covid restrictions, money has gone to Councils to home the homeless, and also support those too vulnerable to shop themselves and incapable of using online shopping.And child benefit which is supposed to support the cost of feeding, clothing, cleaning, housing, educating (because that wasn't happening) and entertaining a child for £23 a week.
The point is, children are still falling through the gap. And for what is an insignificant cost to the English taxpayer they could have papered the cracks. They didn't.
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