45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)
Discussion
Castrol for a knave said:
I actually find it disappointing that there is no real, constructive counter narrative in this thread. It is just a stream of trolls.
I completely agree with this point.I'd like to hear a cogent argument for Trump rather than more poor attempts at slinging mud at his competition.
tangerine_sedge said:
tangerine_sedge said:
devonshiredave said:
Should leave him plenty of time to keep sniffing peoples hair.
Step 1 : post anti Biden nonsense. MILESTONE METStep 2 : declare "I don't like either candidate". MILESTONE MET
Step 3 : post more anti Biden nonsense / pro Trump nonsense. MILESTONE MET
Step 4 : argue. MILESTONE MET
Step 5 : call this thread an echo chamber.
Step 6 : call Byker 'sad' for posting stuff.
Step 7 : flounce. PENDING CONFIRMATION
Could you save everyone the time and effort by just going straight to step 7 please?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Anybody seen the documentary Trump in tweets on iplayer - documents his use of Twitter and how it has changed politics in America
Interesting to watch but have to say I found myself just sat there shaking my head in disbelief
(PS - have to try to see past the Trump voice reading the tweets out, I found the impersonation quite painful)
Interesting to watch but have to say I found myself just sat there shaking my head in disbelief
(PS - have to try to see past the Trump voice reading the tweets out, I found the impersonation quite painful)
Derek Smith said:
Eric Mc said:
Some juicy stuff in your posts today Byker28i.
Five or six years ago, the story of Trump as president would have been unbelievable. Most of us would have felt that the US could never get into that state. Corrupt practices that belong to a third world country would not, of course, be allowed to profligate. Nepotism, ineptitude, corruption, allegiances with countries that wish to destroy the US's influence in the world, and even the country itself could not flourish. And look what's happened. It's juicy all right, but appalling also. It's sad and frightening as well. Could it happen here? Five or six years ago I would have said 'no way'.
BadBull said:
A long dormant account suddenly awakens and only posts in NP&E and he's a Trump apologist?
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
There was one in the 2020 thread who appeared posting stuff about Biden - but not before changing username, and going back 8 years to the last time that account had posted and deleting every previous post.I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
Nothing suspicious there!
captain_cynic said:
tangerine_sedge said:
tangerine_sedge said:
devonshiredave said:
Should leave him plenty of time to keep sniffing peoples hair.
Step 1 : post anti Biden nonsense. MILESTONE METStep 2 : declare "I don't like either candidate". MILESTONE MET
Step 3 : post more anti Biden nonsense / pro Trump nonsense. MILESTONE MET
Step 4 : argue. MILESTONE MET
Step 5 : call this thread an echo chamber.
Step 6 : call Byker 'sad' for posting stuff.
Step 7 : flounce. PENDING CONFIRMATION
Could you save everyone the time and effort by just going straight to step 7 please?
I always find it odd that these "not" Trump supporters only seem to share anti Biden information and never balance it out with anything remotely critical of Trump.
If they are truely neutral in hating both sides, surely they should be critical of Trump as well?
With any luck this latest one will realise we're not daft and give up whilst he's only a little bit behind.
As I've mentioned before, the Trump supporters (and not Trump supporters) are really doing the Dems job for them. By trying to drag Biden down into the muck they're really only highlighting that Trump has no redeaming qualities as president... And that is ultimately why he'll lose. He isn't competing against Biden, he's competing against the last 4 years of Trump. In order for an incumbent to win, they need to convince voters they weren't terrible at the job.
Derek Smith said:
Eric Mc said:
Some juicy stuff in your posts today Byker28i.
Five or six years ago, the story of Trump as president would have been unbelievable. Most of us would have felt that the US could never get into that state. Corrupt practices that belong to a third world country would not, of course, be allowed to profligate. Nepotism, ineptitude, corruption, allegiances with countries that wish to destroy the US's influence in the world, and even the country itself could not flourish. And look what's happened. It's juicy all right, but appalling also. It's sad and frightening as well. Could it happen here? Five or six years ago I would have said 'no way'.
It's all starting to appear. He managed to shrug off the sexual assault claims last time thanks to his campaign staff, but this time seems different. The campaign is floundering with no real direction other than trump trying to appeal to his slightly shrinking base.
Centurion07 said:
There isn't one. That's why the only people that defend him are trolls as they HAVE to resort to "yeah, but...".
Trump has literally no redeeming qualities as a human being, never mind the POTUS.
To be honest, I've heard one cogent argument. Trump has literally no redeeming qualities as a human being, never mind the POTUS.
If you're a rich businessman you're paying less tax and getting government funding, you don't want that gravy train to stop.
It may be the argument of a terrible person, but it makes sense.
Apart from that I agree Trump is a detestable sample of pondscum.
Derek Smith said:
Eric Mc said:
Some juicy stuff in your posts today Byker28i.
Five or six years ago, the story of Trump as president would have been unbelievable. Most of us would have felt that the US could never get into that state. Corrupt practices that belong to a third world country would not, of course, be allowed to profligate. Nepotism, ineptitude, corruption, allegiances with countries that wish to destroy the US's influence in the world, and even the country itself could not flourish. And look what's happened. It's juicy all right, but appalling also. It's sad and frightening as well. Could it happen here? Five or six years ago I would have said 'no way'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_He...
"Historians and pundits have also pointed out the similarities with the political rise of New York real estate mogul and reality TV star, Donald Trump."
Edited by Roofless Toothless on Wednesday 8th July 11:56
mx5nut said:
The US are getting close to having as many new Covid cases every day as China had in total.
I'm definitely not defending Trump here, but surely the only information on this planet that can compete with Trump's constant lies is anything that comes from an official Chinese entity.Given the COVID numbers coming out of Latin America, I find it increasingly difficult to believe any of the Chinese infection / death figures. The only possible explanation for China's official figures is that the population is mostly ultra-compliant, in the same way the South Koreans are - they simply did as they were told (and they were told in a timely manner, unlike many so-called "advanced" countries)
Nigel_O said:
mx5nut said:
The US are getting close to having as many new Covid cases every day as China had in total.
I'm definitely not defending Trump here, but surely the only information on this planet that can compete with Trump's constant lies is anything that comes from an official Chinese entity.Given the COVID numbers coming out of Latin America, I find it increasingly difficult to believe any of the Chinese infection / death figures. The only possible explanation for China's official figures is that the population is mostly ultra-compliant, in the same way the South Koreans are - they simply did as they were told (and they were told in a timely manner, unlike many so-called "advanced" countries)
I've spent a lot of time in China in the last five years, set up a business there, and have had endless conversations with intellectuals in the university sector about just how great the leaders are. It could be that they're all lying to me, it could be that they've all been brainwashed, but it's certainly the case that they uniformly follow what they're told to do.
It may well be that the Chinese figures are doctored as well - I have zero idea on this - but even if they were only reporting 10% of the deaths, China would still be many orders of magnitude ahead of the USA.
In a pandemic, fascism works, albeit brutally. The government just switches things off, protests are squashed, roadblocks go up and that's it. Those in the worst-hit areas are kept in there, and those infected either die or get better. Until the worst is over, there's no escaping that area. Appalling but in this case it limited the death toll.
Roofless Toothless said:
Derek Smith said:
Eric Mc said:
Some juicy stuff in your posts today Byker28i.
Five or six years ago, the story of Trump as president would have been unbelievable. Most of us would have felt that the US could never get into that state. Corrupt practices that belong to a third world country would not, of course, be allowed to profligate. Nepotism, ineptitude, corruption, allegiances with countries that wish to destroy the US's influence in the world, and even the country itself could not flourish. And look what's happened. It's juicy all right, but appalling also. It's sad and frightening as well. Could it happen here? Five or six years ago I would have said 'no way'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_He...
"Historians and pundits have also pointed out the similarities with the political rise of New York real estate mogul and reality TV star, Donald Trump."
Edited by Roofless Toothless on Wednesday 8th July 11:56
He used to walk/jog the 4 miles to work and when making his way along The Highway, saw three Jewish lads being chased by a group that included blackshirts, the thugs that Mosley used as enforcers. They caught one and my father went to the lad's aid. He had his hand held against the kerb and was stamped on, breaking three fingers. He was certain the lad, who was being kicked and stamped on, was killed. He reported what he had seen to the police. Nothing was done. There were no reports in the press the next day. My father came from a big family, he had 17 siblings, and it didn't do to mention you supported fascism, especially after that broke their 'little brother's' fingers.
Mosley's British Union of Fascists had a significant proportion of the votes in a prewar GE. There was, according to my father, a definite feeling of 'it could have happened here' at the time, and since. Knocker Powell similarly had a great deal of press support.
It seemed to me that social media might have been dangerous in respect of right/left wing movements, but if anything, it seems to have dissipated support; just the normal suspects are convinced. They seem to be a little pathetic. The press seems to be less extreme generally.
The idea of a free press failed before the war because it was controlled by a little junta. Thankfully, it seems that the influence of the Barclays, Murdoch and others, seems to be waning. Is that because of the fact that people get their news from other outlets?
Yet in the USA it seems to have gone the other way. There's little or no middle ground. I had friends who were Americans and, I know they might not have been representative, they seemed to have identical views of their own political party, and all but worshiped them. Weird. We, on the other hand, have contempt for ours. I voted tory when Cameron got in. I had little to say for him at the time, and even less when he left. I think this country's views on politicians is fairly healthy; we dislike the vast majority. Yet we got Johnson. Weirder I think.
We need varied sources of news.
The latest alternative facts:
The official White House Twitter account tweeted a quote attributed to Mr Trump, which read:
"Americans harnessed electricity, split the atom, and gave the world the telephone and the internet.
"We settled the Wild West, won two World Wars, landed American Astronauts on the Moon—and one day soon, we will plant our flag on Mars!"
His claim has angered Brits on the social media platform, who were quick to point out that the atom was split by a New Zealand scientist, Ernest Rutherford, who worked right here in Manchester - not in the US.
Sir Tim Berners-Lee, born in London, has been widely credited with the invention of the World Wide Web.
Alexander Graham Bell wasn't born in America and Werner von Braun was instrumental in building the Apollo rockets which took Americans to the moon.
America did not win WWII. And, this usually upsets some people, neither did the British.
The Red Army, Russians soldiers, won WWII. The 4.5 million men of the Wehrmacht had to be either killed or forcibly removed from the countries they invaded.
The Red Army killed 93% of them.
What happened in the Pacific was just a side show compared to the battles fought in Eastern Europe.
The official White House Twitter account tweeted a quote attributed to Mr Trump, which read:
"Americans harnessed electricity, split the atom, and gave the world the telephone and the internet.
"We settled the Wild West, won two World Wars, landed American Astronauts on the Moon—and one day soon, we will plant our flag on Mars!"
His claim has angered Brits on the social media platform, who were quick to point out that the atom was split by a New Zealand scientist, Ernest Rutherford, who worked right here in Manchester - not in the US.
Sir Tim Berners-Lee, born in London, has been widely credited with the invention of the World Wide Web.
Alexander Graham Bell wasn't born in America and Werner von Braun was instrumental in building the Apollo rockets which took Americans to the moon.
America did not win WWII. And, this usually upsets some people, neither did the British.
The Red Army, Russians soldiers, won WWII. The 4.5 million men of the Wehrmacht had to be either killed or forcibly removed from the countries they invaded.
The Red Army killed 93% of them.
What happened in the Pacific was just a side show compared to the battles fought in Eastern Europe.
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