45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)
Discussion
Byker28i said:
I posted some stuff yesterday/previously in the week? that clarified this. How the white base is falling, how trumps actions has enabled the youth vote to come out and vote against him, how it started for the 2018 mid terms and has grown since.
It's also why Stephen Miller has trumps ear with his policies to keep blacks/mexicans out the country, because they typically vote democrat.
Interesting stuff and I’ve long held the view that society moves ahead of our individual opinions, the point I agree with TP on is that we are pretty much ‘set’ by our mid 30’s, which is rather depressing. It's also why Stephen Miller has trumps ear with his policies to keep blacks/mexicans out the country, because they typically vote democrat.
Trump knows he’s lost, which is why he will play dirty. His team have started hiring people to challenge ethnic minority voters on their way to the polling stations, he will try to stop postal voting and is bound to have something up his sleeve about Biden. Expect Putin to give him a big foreign policy win or a false claim about a vaccine come October.
p1stonhead said:
Byker28i said:
fatbutt said:
Byker28i said:
Trumps gone golfing for the weekend. Still no response to the CV-19 crisis, no response to the russian bounty on American troops, no response to his poor polling
One needs priorities.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/02/tucker-ca...
There's messages being given to trump and he's not listening
Tartan Pixie said:
This is a subject I find fascinating. The standard argument I hear is that 'X right wing party's supporters are dying off' to which the standard riposte is 'yes but everyone will have aged in the meantime so people will have switched to party X as they get older'.
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Randy Winkman said:
Tartan Pixie said:
This is a subject I find fascinating. The standard argument I hear is that 'X right wing party's supporters are dying off' to which the standard riposte is 'yes but everyone will have aged in the meantime so people will have switched to party X as they get older'.
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Eric Mc said:
Trump does seem to have more concern over the fate of memorials to dead Americans of dubious character than the fate of living Americans of decent character.
According to a Don Jr tweet he is going to be"telling the truth"(that will be a first!!) about the statues and how America was founded. More racist dog whistles? Appealing to the religious nut jobs, since the Mayflower lot came over to be more extreme? Tartan Pixie said:
Fascinating stuff.
My feeling is that us old 'uns should not be classified as a group with a unified pov. I live in a road where there are six couples all more or less the same age - the 'youngster' has recently turned 60 but is 'old' in outlook. When we get together we have to steer clear of subjects that can loosely be classified as politics as arguments will ensue. I know their opinions on bexit, immigration, gays (political here is very loose of course) and, no doubt BLM but lockdown has saved us all there. We've all mastered the diversionary methods when the conversation drifts into dangerous waters.
I lived in an ethnically diverse area of London and, although I had no black friends, I covered just about every other ethnic group. I had two Indian friends from badminton; Sudjen and Dave (the latter's name took a lot of brain power to pronounce and I used to drink then. He suggested the compromise.) In my late teens/early 20s my group of friends included a gay chap, although we never mentioned it. I policed gay areas and have a more positive view of them than most people, although perhaps on a level with what most people profess.
I've voted for all three main parties in my time. I don't 'believe in' any political party. Yet here I am, in my dotage, always ready to be patronised by a youngster who's just discovered something that most people my age have known about, accepted and have no problems with, for years.
You mention Disraeli and Gladstone. I am fascinated by the period from around the 1820s to 1928 as it transformed this country into a democracy. I had to write an essay on whether their antagonism was a positive or negative for the emancipation for us plebs. (Not the precise wording) There was no right answer of course. But a fascinating battle between the two, with the Queen - gods bless her - muddying the waters.
My feeling is that I've always thought this way and it is times that have changed, yet a little bit of thought reminds me of long political arguments at college, in work - particularly the police - and experiences have all had influences on my outlook. I always, I think, thought gays were people, but it was an intellectual response. A sort of 'Of course they should be treated the same.' Policing Brighton changed my outlook to 'what's the bother?' sort of attitude and it is of no consequence. Yet I'm told my age group is homophobic.
Thanks for the post. I enjoyed it. Anyone who refers to the second half of the 19thC at that time of night has got to be worth reading.
Derek Smith said:
Thanks for that.
I did a bit of Nature vs Nurture way back, when it was fashionable, and came to the conclusion that the answer was more or less yes for both. The conclusion didn't inspire our teacher, but I got a pass. It was based on the OU course of the time - this in the middle/late 80s.My feeling is that us old 'uns should not be classified as a group with a unified pov. I live in a road where there are six couples all more or less the same age - the 'youngster' has recently turned 60 but is 'old' in outlook. When we get together we have to steer clear of subjects that can loosely be classified as politics as arguments will ensue. I know their opinions on bexit, immigration, gays (political here is very loose of course) and, no doubt BLM but lockdown has saved us all there. We've all mastered the diversionary methods when the conversation drifts into dangerous waters.
I lived in an ethnically diverse area of London and, although I had no black friends, I covered just about every other ethnic group. I had two Indian friends from badminton; Sudjen and Dave (the latter's name took a lot of brain power to pronounce and I used to drink then. He suggested the compromise.) In my late teens/early 20s my group of friends included a gay chap, although we never mentioned it. I policed gay areas and have a more positive view of them than most people, although perhaps on a level with what most people profess.
I've voted for all three main parties in my time. I don't 'believe in' any political party. Yet here I am, in my dotage, always ready to be patronised by a youngster who's just discovered something that most people my age have known about, accepted and have no problems with, for years.
You mention Disraeli and Gladstone. I am fascinated by the period from around the 1820s to 1928 as it transformed this country into a democracy. I had to write an essay on whether their antagonism was a positive or negative for the emancipation for us plebs. (Not the precise wording) There was no right answer of course. But a fascinating battle between the two, with the Queen - gods bless her - muddying the waters.
My feeling is that I've always thought this way and it is times that have changed, yet a little bit of thought reminds me of long political arguments at college, in work - particularly the police - and experiences have all had influences on my outlook. I always, I think, thought gays were people, but it was an intellectual response. A sort of 'Of course they should be treated the same.' Policing Brighton changed my outlook to 'what's the bother?' sort of attitude and it is of no consequence. Yet I'm told my age group is homophobic.
Thanks for the post. I enjoyed it. Anyone who refers to the second half of the 19thC at that time of night has got to be worth reading.
I think it's more than trump had to stage himself again in front of monuments to former presidents, hoping some of it will rub off to his supporters, a bit of "look at me with these other great presidents". Thats why he staged that fox news rally session interview in front of Lincoln.
Of course, the fact it's disputed land with the native indians might be a step to far in being clever by Stephen Miller as I'm not sure that's quite so obvious to trumps base.
Protesters demonstrating against Trump's arrival in Mount Rushmore were met with resistance from law enforcement, pepper sprayed and arrested after they blocked a highway to the monument with vans for nearly three hours.
https://eu.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/07/03/k...
Biden campaign: "Our whole country is suffering through the excruciating costs of having a negligent, divisive president who doesn't give a damn about anything but his own gain - not the sick, not the jobless, not our constitution, and not our troops in harm's way."
Of course, the fact it's disputed land with the native indians might be a step to far in being clever by Stephen Miller as I'm not sure that's quite so obvious to trumps base.
Protesters demonstrating against Trump's arrival in Mount Rushmore were met with resistance from law enforcement, pepper sprayed and arrested after they blocked a highway to the monument with vans for nearly three hours.
https://eu.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/07/03/k...
Biden campaign: "Our whole country is suffering through the excruciating costs of having a negligent, divisive president who doesn't give a damn about anything but his own gain - not the sick, not the jobless, not our constitution, and not our troops in harm's way."
Just how gulible is America, asks trump effectively.
Florida reported 11,458 new coronavirus cases on Independence Day, shattering its record for daily reported cases in the state since the pandemic began.
The United States reported 52,104 new cases yesterday, for perspective South Korea: 63 cases
Florida reported 11,458 new coronavirus cases on Independence Day, shattering its record for daily reported cases in the state since the pandemic began.
The United States reported 52,104 new cases yesterday, for perspective South Korea: 63 cases
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 4th July 17:47
According to a report from the New York Times, Republican officials are having difficulties getting donors to pay for the Republican National Convention to be held in Jacksonville, Florida after Donald Trump pulled out of Charlotte, North Carolina when they wanted to impose COVID-19 health restrictions.
Donors who have already contributed are reluctant to sink more money into Jacksonville over fears that convention will be called off due to a spike in COVID-19 infections as Florida.
“Organizers are trying to assuage vexed Republicans who collectively gave millions of dollars for a Charlotte event that has mostly been scrapped. The host committee there has spent virtually all of the $38 million it raised before the convention was moved, leaving almost nothing to return to donors, or to pass on to the new host city.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/rep...
Or it could be another reflection on how trumps campaign money is slowing down. No russians to push money in this time?
Donors who have already contributed are reluctant to sink more money into Jacksonville over fears that convention will be called off due to a spike in COVID-19 infections as Florida.
“Organizers are trying to assuage vexed Republicans who collectively gave millions of dollars for a Charlotte event that has mostly been scrapped. The host committee there has spent virtually all of the $38 million it raised before the convention was moved, leaving almost nothing to return to donors, or to pass on to the new host city.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/us/politics/rep...
Or it could be another reflection on how trumps campaign money is slowing down. No russians to push money in this time?
Good new ad by Biden
“This job is about protecting Americans, not tear gassing them for a photo op.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1278776708351451136
“This job is about protecting Americans, not tear gassing them for a photo op.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1278776708351451136
p1stonhead said:
If Biden loses the democrats should never even bother trying again.
It’s an open goal at this point.
They won't need to anyway.It’s an open goal at this point.
If Trump wins another four years there'll be no America left.
It's already at breaking point with the GOP and Trump's rampant corruption and complete destruction of accountability so imagine what an emboldened Trump would get away with completely unrestrained?
Byker28i said:
I guess we should also say "happy treason day" to the ungrateful colonials...
Some dry humour from the British army 
https://www.facebook.com/britisharmy/videos/266811...
Happy July 4th!
JonChalk said:
Randy Winkman said:
Tartan Pixie said:
This is a subject I find fascinating. The standard argument I hear is that 'X right wing party's supporters are dying off' to which the standard riposte is 'yes but everyone will have aged in the meantime so people will have switched to party X as they get older'.
(Plus lots more)
Nice post. Cheers. (Plus lots more)
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