45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)
Discussion
vonuber said:
The obsession with Hilary Clinton is really bizarre.
It's really quite obvious. They can't be positive about Trump so they need to bring the argument down to Trump's level so they can claim the other side is as bad.Let's ignore that the Hillary Clinton investigation was dropped twice as there was no evidence of wrongdoing. It wasn't even worth bringing to court.
It's less bizarre and more sad.
Sam.M said:
Don’t forget the 10 republican led investigations into Benghazi, all of which failed to find any wrong doing.
Much like the many republican led investigations that found no wrong doing by Biden, no wrong doing by Clinton, yet found numerous times that the trump campaign colluded with the russians.ScotHill said:
I'd just like to point out that 60 Minutes is a magazine-style compilation news programme, it's not actually a 60 minute interview.
Of course they do make single issue episodes which this would be one of. Although 60 Minutes is really 60 minutes minus ads, actual recording will be far longer than 60 minutes with a lot of it ending up on the cutting room floor. Of that 45 mins Trump recorded a significant percentage would be awkward silences, throat clearing, exchanges of pleasantries, taking sips of water and other things like that.
So even not counting questions that would be discarded, they would be lucky to have 30 mins of usable footage and that is assuming they were recording for the full 45 mins, the cameras are off whilst the sound guy fixes, checks and adjust the microphones and the lighting guy does his work.
kayc said:
ou got to be kidding..there isnt one media outlet from CNN/CNBC to Washington Post/New York Times (apart from Fox)that ever says anything positive to say about anything he has done in his presidency ..hence the 'fake news' line from day one..he already knew how their reporting would be biased.
Oh contrare, there's just been news reported, if trump didn't do those things...I posted this a week ago.... all taken from the media
Byker28i said:
From the top of my head, if you look at what can be claimed as trump sucesses then:
Packing the courts - so far two Supreme Court justices and 205 judges overall to the federal bench all for lifetime appointments.
Space Force - taking mostly from what the air force did, but merging all bits from the other services into one
Corporation windfall tax - slashing tax bills from 35 to 21%, good for the companies but bad for debt
Claims he defeated Isis, but really the military carried on with the mission that was already successful. Whilst not defeated it's been significantly reduced during trumps presidency.
Banning bumpstocks
But thats all offset with a deeply fractured society driven by trump, protests, BLM, the worse it's been for a long time. trump has enabled the white supremacists, promoted divisions "LIBERATE", "Stand back and stand by", "good people on both sides" etc
US influence and global image is at an all time low. trump has been open laughed at by other leaders, the US isn't trusted
Failure on all foreign policy. North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Afgahnistan, the Taliban supporting his reelection. Tarrifs that impacted US farmers and manufacturers whilst US consumers paid.
Robbing the US military family programmes to pay for his wall, what he saw as his monument to his presidency
Immigration policy and family separations, without caring or recording where those children are
A lack of any infrastructure improvements despite many infrastructure weeks
A lack of any health plan, despite promising one many times
A lack of any real plan to deal with CV-19, the denials, delays and indifference, 220,000 dead, huge unemployment (more than 63m now claimed unemployment payments this year - thats more than voted for him). At the same time refusing to promote any social responsibility of mask wearing, social distancing, fighting against governors attempt to control through lockdown.
The US is now facing one of the worst economic crises in its history under Trump, which is because of his disastrous response to CV-19. Unemployment rate at 7.9% currently having started to come down. The US national debt is at the highest levels since World War II
Have I missed anything?
Packing the courts - so far two Supreme Court justices and 205 judges overall to the federal bench all for lifetime appointments.
Space Force - taking mostly from what the air force did, but merging all bits from the other services into one
Corporation windfall tax - slashing tax bills from 35 to 21%, good for the companies but bad for debt
Claims he defeated Isis, but really the military carried on with the mission that was already successful. Whilst not defeated it's been significantly reduced during trumps presidency.
Banning bumpstocks
But thats all offset with a deeply fractured society driven by trump, protests, BLM, the worse it's been for a long time. trump has enabled the white supremacists, promoted divisions "LIBERATE", "Stand back and stand by", "good people on both sides" etc
US influence and global image is at an all time low. trump has been open laughed at by other leaders, the US isn't trusted
Failure on all foreign policy. North Korea, China, Iran, Syria, Afgahnistan, the Taliban supporting his reelection. Tarrifs that impacted US farmers and manufacturers whilst US consumers paid.
Robbing the US military family programmes to pay for his wall, what he saw as his monument to his presidency
Immigration policy and family separations, without caring or recording where those children are
A lack of any infrastructure improvements despite many infrastructure weeks
A lack of any health plan, despite promising one many times
A lack of any real plan to deal with CV-19, the denials, delays and indifference, 220,000 dead, huge unemployment (more than 63m now claimed unemployment payments this year - thats more than voted for him). At the same time refusing to promote any social responsibility of mask wearing, social distancing, fighting against governors attempt to control through lockdown.
The US is now facing one of the worst economic crises in its history under Trump, which is because of his disastrous response to CV-19. Unemployment rate at 7.9% currently having started to come down. The US national debt is at the highest levels since World War II
Have I missed anything?
Tom Logan said:
minimoog said:
Adolf would have been so proud.kayc said:
nteresting take on that..has any other President in history ever been under attack from the opposition and the media from day one of taking office?..its a bit like Brexit for the so-called liberal thinkers it wasnt supposed to happen..the little people voted the wrong way and upset the gravy train..personally i think Trump gets a landslide win but it wont matter who wins as neither side will accept the defeat.U.S politics is finished..UK too probably.
Throughout his administration, literally from day one and before, he's been caught lying about policy, people, acts and actions so are the media and opposition not supposed to question or challenge? Same with Brexit, it was known prior to the vote that statements made by the leave organisations were untrue, unprovable and likely misleading so the opposition parties are valid to question / challenge.
If Trump wins, there will certainly be complaints from opposition about the validity of the result (already happening now as people are having to queue 11hrs to vote in some locations due to lack of facilities, voter registration purges, voter registration system failures etc.).
If Trump loses there will certainly be violence from opposition about the validity of the result (already happening with threats from right wing militia / individuals).
captain_cynic said:
ScotHill said:
I'd just like to point out that 60 Minutes is a magazine-style compilation news programme, it's not actually a 60 minute interview.
Of course they do make single issue episodes which this would be one of. Although 60 Minutes is really 60 minutes minus ads, actual recording will be far longer than 60 minutes with a lot of it ending up on the cutting room floor. Of that 45 mins Trump recorded a significant percentage would be awkward silences, throat clearing, exchanges of pleasantries, taking sips of water and other things like that.
So even not counting questions that would be discarded, they would be lucky to have 30 mins of usable footage and that is assuming they were recording for the full 45 mins, the cameras are off whilst the sound guy fixes, checks and adjust the microphones and the lighting guy does his work.
arfursleep said:
kayc said:
nteresting take on that..has any other President in history ever been under attack from the opposition and the media from day one of taking office?..its a bit like Brexit for the so-called liberal thinkers it wasnt supposed to happen..the little people voted the wrong way and upset the gravy train..personally i think Trump gets a landslide win but it wont matter who wins as neither side will accept the defeat.U.S politics is finished..UK too probably.
Throughout his administration, literally from day one and before, he's been caught lying about policy, people, acts and actions so are the media and opposition not supposed to question or challenge? Same with Brexit, it was known prior to the vote that statements made by the leave organisations were untrue, unprovable and likely misleading so the opposition parties are valid to question / challenge.
If Trump wins, there will certainly be complaints from opposition about the validity of the result (already happening now as people are having to queue 11hrs to vote in some locations due to lack of facilities, voter registration purges, voter registration system failures etc.).
If Trump loses there will certainly be violence from opposition about the validity of the result (already happening with threats from right wing militia / individuals).
Countdown said:
Tom Logan said:
minimoog said:
Adolf would have been so proud.stitched said:
Countdown said:
Tom Logan said:
minimoog said:
Adolf would have been so proud.arfursleep said:
captain_cynic said:
ScotHill said:
I'd just like to point out that 60 Minutes is a magazine-style compilation news programme, it's not actually a 60 minute interview.
Of course they do make single issue episodes which this would be one of. Although 60 Minutes is really 60 minutes minus ads, actual recording will be far longer than 60 minutes with a lot of it ending up on the cutting room floor. Of that 45 mins Trump recorded a significant percentage would be awkward silences, throat clearing, exchanges of pleasantries, taking sips of water and other things like that.
So even not counting questions that would be discarded, they would be lucky to have 30 mins of usable footage and that is assuming they were recording for the full 45 mins, the cameras are off whilst the sound guy fixes, checks and adjust the microphones and the lighting guy does his work.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/131869188793...
Going by some of the tonal shift of his most recent rallies (talking about losing, bit more casual swearing, looser lips etc) my prediction is he's had a full on tantrum, possibly sworn at the interviewer or about someone in the Biden camp, and has marched off impetuously, and it LOOKING impetuous too. Pride has stopped him going back to smooth things over. He looks pissed off and upset in the later walking shot because its in his head that he's messed that up for himself and the optics are really bad going into the last week of campaigning. He's trying to win suburban women votes, and here he is being interviewed by a woman and it not going well.
Cherry on top would be if he trips up and falls on his ass while trying to storm off :P
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