45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)

[hidetheelephants]

arfursleep said:

BadBull said:

How can Kushner, a Jew, push far right agendas without a thought to the past?

It's got him power an unheralded and unqualified level, access to information and people that were previously unobtainable and, if reports are to be believe, money that he wouldn't have otherwise had to secure his business ventures.

Morally flexible is the phrase I think

I was going to opt for it's because he's a vacuous tailor's dummy with sawdust for brains, but amoral venal money-grubbing scumbag fits the bill just as well.

[devonshiredave]

paulguitar said:

devonshiredave said:

Thank you (genuinely) for the civil reply.

You're very welcome.

devonshiredave said:

Hope Mrs Guitar gets outta there asap.

Thanks, I hope we can be together soon whether it's me being allowed to go there or vice versa.

devonshiredave said:

have not the answers but i can certainly see the problens.

I think America is profoundly broken. I love the USA, basically, and one thing I am sure of it is way better than the place it is under trump.

I too am very fond of the US, we have family there, i have visited both for business/pleasure and have surprisingly interacted in an advisory role with an element of the US gov.

The more polarizing these debates become, the less chance there is for all of us to reach common/mutual ground. It feels as though this trend will continue as each side seeks to outdo the other in their effort to be the 'winner' rather than offering any actual structural solution. That is perhaps the greatest barrier to meaningful change - style over substance as my father would say.

American politics has reached gutter level -if the best alternative to trump, in a country with hundreds of millions of people, is Biden (or god forbid hrc) then america is walking into the abyss with a blindfold on.

I wish america the best of luck. I expect more and so should they.

[Blackpuddin]

The lesson that needs to be learnt is that no individual should be able to wield such unbelievable power. I was unconcerned by Trump’s election as I felt sure that the administrators would keep him in check but alarmingly that absolutely hasn’t happened. The whole constitution needs a radical overhaul so that it reflects life in the 21st rather than the 18th century.

[Byker28i]

devonshiredave said:

Thank you (genuinely) for the civil reply.

I have not the answers but i can certainly see the problens. Hope Mrs Guitar gets outta there asap.

Forgive the cynicism sometimes, but we get several just come in for a wind up. Always happy to discuss any point of view.
Hasnt Biden recognised and apologised that he hasn't always acted according to current new standards... but he thought he was being friendly, the new thing of personal space etc.

At least he Apologised if he made people feel uncomfortable, it's not like he's had 26 women accuse him of sexual assault and rape...

[Byker28i]

devonshiredave said:

I too am very fond of the US, we have family there, i have visited both for business/pleasure and have surprisingly interacted in an advisory role with an element of the US gov.

The more polarizing these debates become, the less chance there is for all of us to reach common/mutual ground. It feels as though this trend will continue as each side seeks to outdo the other in their effort to be the 'winner' rather than offering any actual structural solution. That is perhaps the greatest barrier to meaningful change - style over substance as my father would say.

American politics has reached gutter level -if the best alternative to trump, in a country with hundreds of millions of people, is Biden (or god forbid hrc) then america is walking into the abyss with a blindfold on.

I wish america the best of luck. I expect more and so should they.

Been there lots, have friends there all over, travelled all over. Trump has enabled that stuff that was hidden, under the surface, the country is heVily divided and will take a long time to recover...

[Byker28i]

Just $273 million bailout money to trump donors?
https://apnews.com/00a34243825661313f2cb6a0f6a2172...

[devonshiredave]

Blackpuddin said:

The lesson that needs to be learnt is that no individual should be able to wield such unbelievable power. I was unconcerned by Trump’s election as I felt sure that the administrators would keep him in check but alarmingly that absolutely hasn’t happened. The whole constitution needs a radical overhaul so that it reflects life in the 21st rather than the 18th century.

Would be interesting to compare the number of exec orders vs previous presidents once hes finished - as i understand these are the only means through which a president may act unilaterally rather than via congress/senate.

Who do you mean by administrators?

How to change constitution and for what/whos benefit? Whilst the consitution is an underlying reference to law etc it is not the law per se. As an ever popular example 2a - states have differing laws on firearm ownership, but firearm ownership generally is protected via the consitution.

I may be wrong on all the above, but let start something meaningful rather than petty partisan sniping (please note i am not accusing you of this.)

[Byker28i]

Remember Michele Obama once said, "the presidency doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are"
It's certainly done that...

[Countdown]

devonshiredave said:

if the best alternative to trump, in a country with hundreds of millions of people, is Biden (or god forbid hrc) then america is walking into the abyss with a blindfold on.

This comparison comes up quite often and I've never really understood it. What is it about Biden or HRC that you think makes them comparable to Trump?

Both of the latter have held executive roles in the US Government, both of them carried out the roles seemingly adequately and in their personal behaviour both of them seem to have behaved reasonably decently, whereas Trump's morals, behaviours, characteristics, and achievements have been laid bare for all to see.

Is Biden the perfect candidate? probably not. Is he exponentially better qualified than Trump? Yes, without a doubt.

[Byker28i]

devonshiredave said:

Blackpuddin said:

The lesson that needs to be learnt is that no individual should be able to wield such unbelievable power. I was unconcerned by Trump’s election as I felt sure that the administrators would keep him in check but alarmingly that absolutely hasn’t happened. The whole constitution needs a radical overhaul so that it reflects life in the 21st rather than the 18th century.

Would be interesting to compare the number of exec orders vs previous presidents once hes finished - as i understand these are the only means through which a president may act unilaterally rather than via congress/senate.

Who do you mean by administrators?

How to change constitution and for what/whos benefit? Whilst the consitution is an underlying reference to law etc it is not the law per se. As an ever popular example 2a - states have differing laws on firearm ownership, but firearm ownership generally is protected via the consitution.

I may be wrong on all the above, but let start something meaningful rather than petty partisan sniping (please note i am not accusing you of this.)

Congress is supposed to be an oversight, but under McConnell has just enabled trump. To be fair as a republican he used his position to block anything Obama tried to do, setting the ground for trump. I don't think even he thought trump would go so far, but to McConnell owner s everything, and he's gone so far to maintain and keep it.

Whilst trump has weakened the US, made it a laughing stock, completely changed US politics, it's McConnell that should take a lot of the blame as an enabler.

[devonshiredave]

Byker28i said:

devonshiredave said:

Thank you (genuinely) for the civil reply.

I have not the answers but i can certainly see the problens. Hope Mrs Guitar gets outta there asap.

Forgive the cynicism sometimes, but we get several just come in for a wind up. Always happy to discuss any point of view.
Hasnt Biden recognised and apologised that he hasn't always acted according to current new standards... but he thought he was being friendly, the new thing of personal space etc.

At least he Apologised if he made people feel uncomfortable, it's not like he's had 26 women accuse him of sexual assault and rape...

I posted the comment on Biden as i feel frustrated that he is being offered up as some kind of solution. He is/will be as bad as all others, especially when it come to actual effective change. He is old, past it and a continuation of the status quo.

Please dont offer a reponse which seeks to deflect by accusing trump of something. Trump is a shambles, putting it politely.

Where in the US is a better alternative than either of these two weapons?

[Byker28i]

Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said on Twitter Tuesday that the Trump administration has informed Congress that the United States is officially beginning the process of withdrawing from the World Health Organization.

Why it matters: President Trump's decision to formally withdraw from the UN's global health agency — which will take effect on July 6, 2021 — comes as the pandemic continues to accelerate both in the U.S. and around the world.

https://www.axios.com/trump-withdraw-world-health-...

[Centurion07]

Countdown said:

This comparison comes up quite often and I've never really understood it. What is it about Biden or HRC that you think makes them comparable to Trump?

Both of the latter have held executive roles in the US Government, both of them carried out the roles seemingly adequately and in their personal behaviour both of them seem to have behaved reasonably decently, whereas Trump's morals, behaviours, characteristics, and achievements have been laid bare for all to see.

Is Biden the perfect candidate? probably not. Is he exponentially better qualified than Trump? Yes, without a doubt.

Anyone complaining that the alternative to Trump, whoever it is (Kanye excepted), will be just as bad is not worth your time or effort.

[Byker28i]

trump doesn't need this leading up to the election

Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. And yet, she notes, even that label does not capture the full array of the president's psychological troubles.

As a high school student in Queens, Ms. Trump writes, Donald Trump paid someone to take a precollegiate test, the SAT, on his behalf.

remember, people have been jailed for this recently...

“The only time Donald went to church was when the cameras were there,” Ms. Trump quotes her aunt as saying. “It’s mind boggling. But that’s all about his base. He has no principles. None!”

Ms. Trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. And yet, she notes, even that label does not capture the full array of the president’s psychological troubles.

“The fact is,” she writes, “Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neurophysical tests that he’ll never sit for.”

At another point she says: “Donald has been institutionalized for most of his adult life, so there is no way to know how he would thrive, or even survive, on his own in the real world.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/politics/mar...

[devonshiredave]

Countdown said:

devonshiredave said:

if the best alternative to trump, in a country with hundreds of millions of people, is Biden (or god forbid hrc) then america is walking into the abyss with a blindfold on.

This comparison comes up quite often and I've never really understood it. What is it about Biden or HRC that you think makes them comparable to Trump?

Both of the latter have held executive roles in the US Government, both of them carried out the roles seemingly adequately and in their personal behaviour both of them seem to have behaved reasonably decently, whereas Trump's morals, behaviours, characteristics, and achievements have been laid bare for all to see.

Is Biden the perfect candidate? probably not. Is he exponentially better qualified than Trump? Yes, without a doubt.

Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.

I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.

We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.

[Byker28i]

Regulators impose $150 million penalty on Deutsche Bank for violating anti-money-laundering rules in its relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

The behavior revealed in regulatory documents is stunning –– even by Deutsche standards.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/jeffre...

Remember, concerns about possible money laundering is one of the justifications for a House subpoena seeking Trump's financial records held by Deutsche Bank with a Supreme Court ruling due any day

[Centurion07]

Byker28i said:

trump doesn't need this leading up to the election

Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. And yet, she notes, even that label does not capture the full array of the president's psychological troubles.

As a high school student in Queens, Ms. Trump writes, Donald Trump paid someone to take a precollegiate test, the SAT, on his behalf.

remember, people have been jailed for this recently...

“The only time Donald went to church was when the cameras were there,” Ms. Trump quotes her aunt as saying. “It’s mind boggling. But that’s all about his base. He has no principles. None!”

Ms. Trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. And yet, she notes, even that label does not capture the full array of the president’s psychological troubles.

“The fact is,” she writes, “Donald’s pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neurophysical tests that he’ll never sit for.”

At another point she says: “Donald has been institutionalized for most of his adult life, so there is no way to know how he would thrive, or even survive, on his own in the real world.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/us/politics/mar...

Without concrete proof of wrongdoing nothing will happen and even if there WAS proof nothing will happen.

As to not knowing if he would thrive or even survive on his own, you don't need to have any kind of qualification to know the answer.

Stripped of his money he has no hold over anybody so I highly doubt anyone is going to bend over and take it from such a monumental douchebag when there's no incentive.

[devonshiredave]

Centurion07 said:

Countdown said:

This comparison comes up quite often and I've never really understood it. What is it about Biden or HRC that you think makes them comparable to Trump?

Both of the latter have held executive roles in the US Government, both of them carried out the roles seemingly adequately and in their personal behaviour both of them seem to have behaved reasonably decently, whereas Trump's morals, behaviours, characteristics, and achievements have been laid bare for all to see.

Is Biden the perfect candidate? probably not. Is he exponentially better qualified than Trump? Yes, without a doubt.

Anyone complaining that the alternative to Trump, whoever it is (Kanye excepted), will be just as bad is not worth your time or effort.

So goes the red team/blue team discourse.

People want change, real change, across a spectrum of issues.

Neither red/blue team is going to provide this.

[Castrol for a knave]

devonshiredave said:

Byker28i said:

devonshiredave said:

Thank you (genuinely) for the civil reply.

I have not the answers but i can certainly see the problens. Hope Mrs Guitar gets outta there asap.

Forgive the cynicism sometimes, but we get several just come in for a wind up. Always happy to discuss any point of view.
Hasnt Biden recognised and apologised that he hasn't always acted according to current new standards... but he thought he was being friendly, the new thing of personal space etc.

At least he Apologised if he made people feel uncomfortable, it's not like he's had 26 women accuse him of sexual assault and rape...

I posted the comment on Biden as i feel frustrated that he is being offered up as some kind of solution. He is/will be as bad as all others, especially when it come to actual effective change. He is old, past it and a continuation of the status quo.

Please dont offer a reponse which seeks to deflect by accusing trump of something. Trump is a shambles, putting it politely.

Where in the US is a better alternative than either of these two weapons?

As I have said before, Biden is the Neil Warnock of US politics. There to turn it around and hand over to a Jurgen Klopp further down the line.

[devonshiredave]

Castrol for a knave said:

devonshiredave said:

Byker28i said:

devonshiredave said:

Thank you (genuinely) for the civil reply.

I have not the answers but i can certainly see the problens. Hope Mrs Guitar gets outta there asap.

Forgive the cynicism sometimes, but we get several just come in for a wind up. Always happy to discuss any point of view.
Hasnt Biden recognised and apologised that he hasn't always acted according to current new standards... but he thought he was being friendly, the new thing of personal space etc.

At least he Apologised if he made people feel uncomfortable, it's not like he's had 26 women accuse him of sexual assault and rape...

I posted the comment on Biden as i feel frustrated that he is being offered up as some kind of solution. He is/will be as bad as all others, especially when it come to actual effective change. He is old, past it and a continuation of the status quo.

Please dont offer a reponse which seeks to deflect by accusing trump of something. Trump is a shambles, putting it politely.

Where in the US is a better alternative than either of these two weapons?

As I have said before, Biden is the Neil Warnock of US politics. There to turn it around and hand over to a Jurgen Klopp further down the line.

Im a cynic, this just extends the status quo. And next time election cycle comes round both parties will seek another status quo candidate.