45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 9)
Discussion
devonshiredave said:
Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.
I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Well, no, everything you say there has been disproven, is thrown by team trump as a distraction...I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Uranium one deal
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-...
Of course if you want to look at nepotism, then look at trump, which is why he tried so hard but failed at manufacturing dirt against Biden... even getting impeached for it
Still that post has firmly nailed your colours...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 7th July 21:35
devonshiredave said:
So goes the red team/blue team discourse.
People want change, real change, across a spectrum of issues.
Neither red/blue team is going to provide this.
Of course they want change. Anyone wanting another 4 years of this sPeople want change, real change, across a spectrum of issues.
Neither red/blue team is going to provide this.
tshow must be clinically insane.He's just withdrawn the US from the WHO over THEIR handling of the virus!
Just take a moment to let that sink in...
Centurion07 said:
devonshiredave said:
So goes the red team/blue team discourse.
People want change, real change, across a spectrum of issues.
Neither red/blue team is going to provide this.
Of course they want change. Anyone wanting another 4 years of this sPeople want change, real change, across a spectrum of issues.
Neither red/blue team is going to provide this.
tshow must be clinically insane.He's just withdrawn the US from the WHO over THEIR handling of the virus!
Just take a moment to let that sink in...
Please understand my view that i dont want another 4 years of trump, nor do i want his least-worst opponent as an ill take anything but this option.
Frankly the presidential goal is wide open for someone to smash, limiting the outcome to either red/blue is counter-productive.
devonshiredave said:
Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.
I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
And that's the thing - with respect (I don't know how well you've looked into the above) ALL of the above accusations have been thrown at Trump supporters and, without fail, ALL have been unfounded. This is Trump's playbookI posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
1. Take something that he is personally guilty of
2. Accuse his opponent of something similar
3. Whilst his opponent is busy disproving it throw another accusation against him
4. When opponent disproves Accusation 1 double down, pretend there are flaws in the evidence, say "many many people are saying...."
5. Opponent is now disproving accusation 2 so create accusation 3.
So basically what you're saying is that Biden and HRC are "as bad as Trump because of XYZ" even though googling "XYZ (factcheck)" will bring up numerous sources which will explain why XYZ is rubbish.
That's why Trump supporters get labelled as exceptionally thick. Because only the exceptionally thick would accept what he says at face value, and only the exceptionally thick would repeat what he says without doing even the basic checks.
Byker28i said:
devonshiredave said:
Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.
I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Well, no, everything you say there has been disproven, is thrown by team trump as a distraction...I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Uranium one deal
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-...
Of course if you want to look at nepotism, then look at trump, which is why he tried so hard but failed at manufacturing dirt against Biden... even getting impeached for it
Still that post has firmly nailed your colours...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 7th July 21:35
I was asked why i see them as equal to trump. I have provided examples.
Uranium one saw a significant quantity of an important resource sold to the russians, under the watch of hrc. You will note that i said there is plenty of mud to sling at all of them.
If you were as critical of others as you are trump, you wpuld make your own independent view rather than quoting snopes.
You are extremely partisan and clearly unwilling to engage objectively.
Countdown said:
devonshiredave said:
Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.
I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
And that's the thing - with respect (I don't know how well you've looked into the above) ALL of the above accusations have been thrown at Trump supporters and, without fail, ALL have been unfounded. This is Trump's playbookI posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
1. Take something that he is personally guilty of
2. Accuse his opponent of something similar
3. Whilst his opponent is busy disproving it throw another accusation against him
4. When opponent disproves Accusation 1 double down, pretend there are flaws in the evidence, say "many many people are saying...."
5. Opponent is now disproving accusation 2 so create accusation 3.
So basically what you're saying is that Biden and HRC are "as bad as Trump because of XYZ" even though googling "XYZ (factcheck)" will bring up numerous sources which will explain why XYZ is rubbish.
That's why Trump supporters get labelled as exceptionally thick. Because only the exceptionally thick would accept what he says at face value, and only the exceptionally thick would repeat what he says without doing even the basic checks.
Might surprise you that as an exceptionally thick trump supporter i was aware of U1 before trump.
I wish you all the best with biden
devonshiredave said:
You will note that i said there is plenty of mud to sling at all of them.
They're politicians; it goes with the territory.The difference with Trump is there is an entire goddamn mountain of s
t to sling at him, not just the odd handful here and there.As I said already, anyone that thinks Trump is only as bad as his opponents is not worth engaging with.
Escapegoat said:
devonshiredave said:
Please understand my view that i dont want another 4 years of trump, nor do i want his least-worst opponent as an ill take anything but this option.
Yes, but what would you prefer: Trump or Biden?devonshiredave said:
This is my problem, the choice should not be so binary
This I can agree with. Biden was seen as an inoffensive safe pair of hands to win the election. The Dems could have been bolder by choosing a more progressive candidate, but played it safe. TBH they could have put up Krusty the Clown and I think the Dems could have pulled it off.It is all moot unless the winning president has the backing of the Senate and Congress. Otherwise, stalemate.
Edited by stevesingo on Wednesday 8th July 08:05
longblackcoat said:
devonshiredave said:
This is my problem, the choice should not be so binary
Nevertheless, that’s the choice.So which one would you prefer?
I want an alternative option. I am not forced to choose between two bad outcomes just because it suits political dogma.
devonshiredave said:
Might surprise you that as an exceptionally thick trump supporter i was aware of U1 before trump.
I wish you all the best with biden
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-on...
devonshiredave said:
Absolute cobblers.
I was asked why i see them as equal to trump. I have provided examples.
Uranium one saw a significant quantity of an important resource sold to the russians, under the watch of hrc. You will note that i said there is plenty of mud to sling at all of them.
If you were as critical of others as you are trump, you wpuld make your own independent view rather than quoting snopes.
You are extremely partisan and clearly unwilling to engage objectively.
It's a uranium mine; it's a commodity just like all the others(source material rules aside) and treating it as something special and not just a commodity that is traded globally is stupid, who owns a hole in the ground is of no interest at all. If there was a shortage of uranium there might be a point to this but there isn't.I was asked why i see them as equal to trump. I have provided examples.
Uranium one saw a significant quantity of an important resource sold to the russians, under the watch of hrc. You will note that i said there is plenty of mud to sling at all of them.
If you were as critical of others as you are trump, you wpuld make your own independent view rather than quoting snopes.
You are extremely partisan and clearly unwilling to engage objectively.
devonshiredave said:
Escapegoat said:
devonshiredave said:
Please understand my view that i dont want another 4 years of trump, nor do i want his least-worst opponent as an ill take anything but this option.
Yes, but what would you prefer: Trump or Biden?t sandwich whether you like it or not. Short of a cataclysm it's not changing so develop ways to evolve it or learn to like the taste of st.Edited by hidetheelephants on Wednesday 8th July 00:39
devonshiredave said:
I dont believe either are right, spolit ballot for me.
I want an alternative option. I am not forced to choose between two bad outcomes just because it suits political dogma.
Good job your opinion is of absolutely no consequence whatever then.I want an alternative option. I am not forced to choose between two bad outcomes just because it suits political dogma.
It’s always a binary choice here, we have a 2 party system. Biden is an excellent candidate who was elected by his party after a rigorous primary process (that’s the system here you see) and who has been enthusiastically endorsed by every single one of his primary opponents and every major figure in the party. In terms of experience and accomplishment he is probably the best qualified candidate since GHW Bush.
Trump is a narcissistic sociopath with a dwindling base on the extreme right of US politics. He not only does not have the support of many leading figures in his own party, many are actively campaigning against him and for Biden. (See Lincoln Project, Republicans Against Trump etc...)
The choice is straightforward, America or Trump.
devonshiredave said:
Byker28i said:
devonshiredave said:
Theres plenty of mud to sling at all of them, from a non blue/red team view. Uranium one deal, pay-for-play via clinton foundation, Burisma/hunter to name but a few.
I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Well, no, everything you say there has been disproven, is thrown by team trump as a distraction...I posit that the entirety of the US political circuit is owned by interests contrary to the average american.
We/they need a real alternative, not more of the same with different packaging.
Uranium one deal
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-...
Of course if you want to look at nepotism, then look at trump, which is why he tried so hard but failed at manufacturing dirt against Biden... even getting impeached for it
Still that post has firmly nailed your colours...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 7th July 21:35
I was asked why i see them as equal to trump. I have provided examples.
Uranium one saw a significant quantity of an important resource sold to the russians, under the watch of hrc. You will note that i said there is plenty of mud to sling at all of them.
If you were as critical of others as you are trump, you wpuld make your own independent view rather than quoting snopes.
You are extremely partisan and clearly unwilling to engage objectively.
Then suggest that "You are extremely partisan and clearly unwilling to engage objectively."
Laughable...
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