CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)

[anonymous-user]

Is it me or is Govt efforts to encourage people to seek treatment a bit half hearted? I'm not seeing any ads, or getting any emails or anything like that. Just the odd comment by politicians. Maybe I'm not the target market.

[pneumothorax]

RSTurboPaul said:

I am sorry, I don't use smilies, what does that mean?

[Saweep]

sambucket said:

Is it me or is Govt efforts to encourage people to seek treatment a bit half hearted? I'm not seeing any ads, or getting any emails or anything like that. Just the odd comment by politicians. Maybe I'm not the target market.

No Sam, it's not just you.

We are getting to the point where the incompetence could easily be seen as malevolence.

My mum had to go to the GP the other day to collect a referral letter. She's 67 and said it was such a traumatic experience, with people in full PPE screaming keep back at her as she walked in the door that she wouldn't go back unless in her words "my legs are falling off".

Thankfully her throat cancer scare has turned out to be something else. However she did wait 2.5 months to see a consultant to confirm that. She's a natural harridan and bully and has harassed everyone she knows including the head of the local council, every doctor and consultant she knows personally and out our MP to get seen. No amount of money or private coverage or anything seems to be able to get things sorted quicker either, for what it's worth.

2.5 months of absolute fear is simply unacceptable, let alone being too scared to even try and get things sorted to begin with.

It's a total disgrace.

[pneumothorax]

Sorry, I understand, it means that someone thinks something is funny. I get it.

I am also new to this, posting on this site about anything other than cars and bikes is something I have not previously done.

But if you actually think that, in the context of this thread, it's funny to point out that my use of the term "petrified" is amusing, then you are welcome to your view.

But I do not agree with it.

[Saweep]

pneumothorax said:

Sorry, I understand, it means that someone thinks something is funny. I get it.

I am also new to this, posting on this site about anything other than cars and bikes is something I have not previously done.

But if you actually think that, in the context of this thread, it's funny to point out that my use of the term "petrified" is amusing, then you are welcome to your view.

But I do not agree with it.

There are some very weird people on this site.

[TheJimi]

pneumothorax said:

Sorry, I understand, it means that someone thinks something is funny. I get it.

I am also new to this, posting on this site about anything other than cars and bikes is something I have not previously done.

But if you actually think that, in the context of this thread, it's funny to point out that my use of the term "petrified" is amusing, then you are welcome to your view.

But I do not agree with it.

It was cheap shot dude, ignore it. I, and many others, value your contributions here.

[pneumothorax]

Saweep said:

No Sam, it's not just you.

We are getting to the point where the incompetence could easily be seen as malevolence.

My mum had to go to the GP the other day to collect a referral letter. She's 67 and said it was such a traumatic experience, with people in full PPE screaming keep back at her as she walked in the door that she wouldn't go back unless in her words "my legs are falling off".

Thankfully her throat cancer scare has turned out to be something else. However she did wait 2.5 months to see a consultant to confirm that. She's a natural harridan and bully and has harassed everyone she knows including the head of the local council, every doctor and consultant she knows personally and out our MP to get seen. No amount of money or private coverage or anything seems to be able to get things sorted quicker either, for what it's worth.

2.5 months of absolute fear is simply unacceptable, let alone being too scared to even try and get things sorted to begin with.

It's a total disgrace.

Saweep

It is a total disgrace

Primary care has reacted badly to this. We are picking up lots of the pieces in out of hours

[croyde]

TheJimi said:

pneumothorax said:

Sorry, I understand, it means that someone thinks something is funny. I get it.

I am also new to this, posting on this site about anything other than cars and bikes is something I have not previously done.

But if you actually think that, in the context of this thread, it's funny to point out that my use of the term "petrified" is amusing, then you are welcome to your view.

But I do not agree with it.

It was cheap shot dude, ignore it. I, and many others, value your contributions here.

I'll second, third and fourth that. Mr Thorax has been a pool of calm in a maelstrom of political bumbling, press hysteria, and a spewing of uninformed fear from social media.

[RSTurboPaul]

Sometimes I have a weird sense of humour - an unexpected mental image of people turned to stone, prompted by the earlier comment posted in response to your post, bemused me.

It was most certainly not amusement that people are terrified of visiting medical facilities and cannot be seen even when they want to - that is a disgrace and both the government and the BBC's Project Fear (still going strong on tonight's news ) should be taken to task via public inquiry IMO.


Thank you for your input into this thread, pneumothorax - some reasoned and sensible 'boots on the ground' input from the apparently 'overwhelmed' NHS we need to save by clapping is very much appreciated.

[pneumothorax]

TheJimi said:

It was cheap shot dude, ignore it. I, and many others, value your contributions here.

Thank you.

[2Btoo]

This isn't bringing anything new to the discussion but it's a tidy summary of the anti-lockdown point of view.

https://conservativewoman.co.uk/why-lockdown-is-us...

[anonymous-user]

There seems to be a perception on the one side, that NHS are twiddling thumbs with loads of spare capacity.

And on the other side, a service that is struggling to provide the most basic services, with waiting lists stretching into years?

[pneumothorax]

RSTurboPaul said:

Sometimes I have a weird sense of humour - an unexpected mental image of people turned to stone, prompted by the earlier comment posted in response to your post, bemused me.

It was most certainly not amusement that people are terrified of visiting medical facilities and cannot be seen even when they want to - that is a disgrace and both the government and the BBC's Project Fear (still going strong on tonight's news ) should be taken to task via public inquiry IMO.


Thank you for your input into this thread, pneumothorax - some reasoned and sensible 'boots on the ground' input from the apparently 'overwhelmed' NHS we need to save by clapping is very much appreciated.

RS

Thank you.

I am personally involved in this situation and so the rolling laughing smilie confused me.

Apologies.

[Saweep]

sambucket said:

There seems to be a perception on the one side, that NHS are twiddling thumbs with loads of spare capacity.

And on the other side, a service that is struggling to provide the most basic services, with waiting lists stretching into years?

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have family members and friends that work in hospitals. They have had nothing to do for months.

Hence the waiting lists extending...

[RSTurboPaul]

pneumothorax said:

RSTurboPaul said:

Sometimes I have a weird sense of humour - an unexpected mental image of people turned to stone, prompted by the earlier comment posted in response to your post, bemused me.

It was most certainly not amusement that people are terrified of visiting medical facilities and cannot be seen even when they want to - that is a disgrace and both the government and the BBC's Project Fear (still going strong on tonight's news ) should be taken to task via public inquiry IMO.


Thank you for your input into this thread, pneumothorax - some reasoned and sensible 'boots on the ground' input from the apparently 'overwhelmed' NHS we need to save by clapping is very much appreciated.

RS

Thank you.

I am personally involved in this situation and so the rolling laughing smilie confused me.

Apologies.

Looking back, my smiley would have been clearer if I had just quoted blackwidow's first line!

RSTurboPaul said:

BlackWidow13 said:

pneumothorax said:

Yes, the elderly folk I see are literally petrified re COVID. They are avoiding hospital treatment at all costs, even when they have obvious life threatening conditions, happy to ride them out.

The media have really not helped in this

“Literally petrified”? You mean that they have genuinely turned to stone? Or are they merely in a state of complete paralysis?

I’d say they have bigger things than covid to worry about in either case.

It must be incredibly frustrating being on the front line and feeling unable to make any headway against a tidal wave of changes (for the worse) from above.

I hope that we as a country can finally see sense and get back to the 'old normal', which should just be called 'normal', very quickly, but I fear it is not going to happen unless someone pulls the BBC's leash very much tighter.

[pneumothorax]

sambucket said:

There seems to be a perception on the one side, that NHS are twiddling thumbs with loads of spare capacity.

And on the other side, a service that is struggling to provide the most basic services, with waiting lists stretching into years?

Sam

The NHS is twiddling it's thumbs,

Meantime I could post here about people who are going to die as collateral cases each and every night I work.

[Elysium]

Saweep said:

sambucket said:

There seems to be a perception on the one side, that NHS are twiddling thumbs with loads of spare capacity.

And on the other side, a service that is struggling to provide the most basic services, with waiting lists stretching into years?

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have family members and friends that work in hospitals. They have had nothing to do for months.

Hence the waiting lists extending...

Exactly. They are both true. The NHS is still waiting for the massive wave of COVID patients we were told to expect.

[anonymous-user]

Saweep said:

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have family members and friends that work in hospitals. They have had nothing to do for months.

Hence the waiting lists extending...

This doesn't make any sense. Because patients won't come in? They are turning down appointments?

Or because the departments are re-orientated to covid, and havn't been reset?

Or something else?

[ChocolateFrog]

pneumothorax said:

blackwidow

No, you are correct, none of my Patients have been petrified

They are however ignoring medical advice about life threatening situations, and it bothers me. In fact it often vexes me.

They have consumed a narrative that describes almost certain death in hospital if they go there, and it is almost impossible to get them to consider an alternative approach, ie something sensible, like modern medicine.

Darwinism.

All the information is out there for them to make an informed choice.

Seems you're losing the information war to Karen.

[Saweep]

sambucket said:

Saweep said:

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

I have family members and friends that work in hospitals. They have had nothing to do for months.

Hence the waiting lists extending...

This doesn't make any sense. Because patients won't come in? They are turning down appointments?

Or because the departments are re-orientated to covid, and havn't been reset?

Or something else?

Sam I wish you wouldn't play dumb so often. You aren't socrates mate

You've been contributing to this thread since day 1. You know the NHS cancelled everything and went onto war footing.

They're still there...preparing for an enemy that isn't coming!