CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)

[FN2TypeR]

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[johnboy1975]

Consumption vouchers being called for.....to be sent to every household in the country, valid in store only. Idea being to spend our way out. Could it work? Is it a realistic option? On sky news now (Sophie Ridge on Sunday), it's the chief executive of the resolution foundation calling for it.

And let's have some pub vouchers whilst we are at it

[anonymous-user]

ALTO77 said:

isaldiri said:

MDMetal said:

Popular measures hard to argue against blah blah the usual lazy thinking. Nobody thinks about the long term issues and the tipping points and maybe while wearing mask isn't that it is just another thing that chips away at things until we don't realise where we are

Agreed. It's the creeping intrusion based on bogus evidence. It might be a small thing but that just leaves the next thing that 'isn't a big deal' to be imposed.

Totally agree, I wonder what the next small change will be? How about keeping all public toilets closed for ever, just for, well safety, everything has to be safe. All adults must wear a nappy, I think if the government mandated this we would have lots of people wearing them, just as long as it helps keep us all safe.

We haven’t got anywhere near peak dictatorship yet.
Social media is awash this morning with revived cries of ban the pubs, ffs you’re killing people, etc etc

[Biker 1]

1974nc said:

We haven’t got anywhere near peak dictatorship yet.
Social media is awash this morning with revived cries of ban the pubs, ffs you’re killing people, etc etc

Some of the 'comments' on the Daily Wail are priceless!!!

[MikeT66]

I did venture to the bar last night, with some trepidation - not due to the virus, just worried about the crowd. Turned out to be a decent and not-too busy night. Ended up talking separately with two female healthcare professionals over the course of the night - one nurse, one involved in emergency planning (in case of terrorist incidents at the airport/Trafford Centre, etc). After some tip-toeing around the virus and lockdown stuff (you never know what side of the 'fence' someone is sat on) we realised we were of the same opinions. They were both horrified about the cancelled operations (one works with cancer patients/testing), the impact on mental health/depression/exaggerated fears and the massive over-reaction from the government to the virus. Both blamed the 'advisors' ("there are careers being made from this") and both remarked on how bad the annual flu epidemic (usually March/April here, apparently) is with no mention/additional financial input from the government. Neither were supporters of social distancing, masks or the lockdown. "It's a massive 'cry wolf' situation", said the emergency planner, "and the next time we really need to do something drastic to save people everyone will look at this shambles and not believe in it."

[isaldiri]

MikeT66 said:

"and the next time we really need to do something drastic to save people everyone will look at this shambles and not believe in it."

I'll tend to agree with this. A huge hooha was made about swine flu in 2009 that ultimately turned out to be no worse than seasonal flu (~0.05% ifr estimated). 2019 covid has obviously been bad but nowhere near as bad as made out to be (maybe ~0.50% ifr).

If in 2029 we get something as transmissible with 5% ifr there will really be hell to pay when no one takes it seriously after all the crying wolf.....

[JagLover]

isaldiri said:

I'll tend to agree with this. A huge hooha was made about swine flu in 2009 that ultimately turned out to be no worse than seasonal flu (~0.05% ifr estimated). 2019 covid has obviously been bad but nowhere near as bad as made out to be (maybe ~0.50% ifr).

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I agree with you that it probably is around a 0.5% IFR.

Just curious really why people think the CDC is claiming 0.26%. Does America have any differing characteristics that would reduce it?

[ant1973]

I think I have reached "acceptance" in the stages of grief. I managed to get through Hancock's nonsense this morning without hurling abuse at the TV (at least according to my 13 year old). He is now "white noise". Was chuckling at the NHS funding chat as well. Give us £10bn - and no we are not going to offer a commitment on services, etc. Protect the NHS? It sounds like a frigging protection racket...

[ant1973]

"The chairman of the Police Federation has said it was "crystal clear" revellers would not adhere to the one metre plus rule after pubs and restaurants were allowed to reopen on Saturday.

Mr Apter, who was on shift in Southampton said he dealt with "naked men, happy drunks, angry drunks, fights and more angry drunks.”

Pub-goers were also pictured shown crowding the streets of London's Soho, Newcastle and Leeds. While several pubs in north Nottinghamshire decided to close after alcohol related anti-social behaviour."

The implication being close down pubs for the foreseeable. Fair enough. I think we should ask him whether the Police will take a 10% pay cut to fund it? Causation? What are they like...

[Skyedriver]

ALTO77 said:

Totally agree, I wonder what the next small change will be? How about keeping all public toilets closed for ever, just for, well safety, everything has to be safe. All adults must wear a nappy, I think if the government mandated this we would have lots of people wearing them, just as long as it helps keep us all safe.

Yep, we've had the limit your red meat, drink more/less red wine, buy diesel/ban diesel, reduce the drink drive limit (has happened in Scotland) which has devastated country pubs but I can't see anywhere that shows it stops the average pisshead going out for a skinful and driving home, just the person out for a single drink, scrap your car for electric despite the enormous environmental cost for manufacturing them, the list goes on. Permanent closure of public toilets I can see happening we are being managed and manipulated by the people who we elected to work for us.

[lllnorrislll]

I think the scenes from last night are insulting, we still have Leicester on full lockdown and yet we had carnage in other UK cities as the police, council, pubs and the general public could not contain the revelers.

In the same way the government can lock down for increased rates of infection, we should lock down town centres where there is increased incidence of antisocial / non-compliance with self distancing until the above can prove that it can be contained or risk is removed.

[anonymous-user]

i wonder what the 'R Penalty' of opening pubs like Soho is..... vs for example, opening all restaurants , cafes, childcare and hotels fully without any kind of SD.

The only logical explanation I can think of, is this weekend is some kind of respite care, or 'hammer and dance' which will be pulled back shortly.

Or it has no impact at all on anything, in which case I'll stop moaning.

[rover 623gsi]

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

rover 623gsi said:

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

[markyb_lcy]

rover 623gsi said:

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

Yep, I’m with you. After every mass gathering of late, we’ve heard the same and none of them have caused any uptick and yet the naysayers carry on.

[xjay1337]

rover 623gsi said:

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

I think cases will go up slightly but deaths will stay the same or go down.

[markyb_lcy]

xjay1337 said:

rover 623gsi said:

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

I think cases will go up slightly but deaths will stay the same or go down.

Because of more testing or because the cases will be amongst the younger, more healthy (vs care homes) and less at risk population (pub goers)?

[ORD]

I’ve been trying to find out what restrictions there now on the public. It looks like it’s all only guidance now except that gatherings of over 30 people are illegal.

Has any media outlet even mentioned this? We’re being told things are ‘rules’ when they’re nothing of the sort. That’s deeply wrong.

[xjay1337]

markyb_lcy said:

xjay1337 said:

rover 623gsi said:

I confidently predict that yesterday’s revelleries will have virtually no impact on infection rates and that the downward trend will continue.

I think cases will go up slightly but deaths will stay the same or go down.

Because of more testing or because the cases will be amongst the younger, more healthy (vs care homes) and less at risk population (pub goers)?

Well cases will rise due to increased testing but also the close interaction no doubt has a part to play.

But the deaths will continue the same or downwards because as you say, less risk population.

Still taking bets how long these stupid masks will go on.

[RSTurboPaul]

No ideas for a name said:

grumbledoak said:

Mandatory - if you want to go anywhere or do anything - is in the pipeline too:

https://apnews.com/036d8848e9f5eee78b116d3d97e9e5b...

Interesting. Loads of words in that press release which make sense on their own, but when put together appear to be a load of bull.
The company behind it V Health Passport seems to have existed since 22 June 2020
Evolved from or in the same group as dissolved companies dealing with Vcode Currency.
I do hope our Government has done due diligence before handing over OUR money.

EDIT: Actually, I don't see UK in the list of countries involved.

Edited by No ideas for a name on Sunday 5th July 09:04

The blurb on that page would be amusing if it were not frightening.

Sales spiel said:

The user downloads the app to their smartphone device and onboards their key information such as name, address, age and verifies their identity using biometric fingerprint or facial scan.

The user can then show the COVI-PASS™ health passport to authenticate their health status. The health passport can also be scanned well outside the safe distancing zone of 2/3m (and beyond) while the person is moving and at various angles to ensure continued social distancing guidelines.

One of the many unique features of the VCode® cyber security is that the VCode® technology can be scanned from up to 100 metres ensuring its social distancing compliance is robust and making it the only choice for a safe and secure digital health passport.

VCode® has an infinite range of applications and capabilities from secure identification and ID, to geo location and geo fencing, asset tracking, authentication and permission based authorisations, fan and customer engagement through to biometrics and facial recognition.

A VCode® can be scanned from over 100 metres, with a 80:1 distance to size scan ratio, at 170-degree angles, on and from moving objects, and upon any multimedia or television screen and even when the VCode® is microscopic on bank notes or minerals.

The VPlatform® also provides users with real time analytics on who scanned their codes, when and where the scans took place, providing vital consumer data.

So it gathers your unchangeable biometric data, your location, when/where you've had your codes scanned, and all of this can be scanned from over 300 feet away without you even knowing about it...

... but it's ok, because they say it resolves 'privacy issues':

Sales spiel said:

We firmly believe that the digital Health Passport alongside Government approved testing kits is the key to removing the lockdown restrictions in a gradual and controlled way. The current technology being trialed using bluetooth and proximity apps is fundamentally flawed because of its privacy issues of real time tracking, the security and data breaches which we are already seeing and being reported and the reticence for citizens to uptake and download the tracing app.

... it is clear that COVI-PASS™ is the only viable solution for a safe return to work, life and travel protocols. Unlike Bluetooth, QR, or similar proximity apps, COVI-PASS™ using the VCode® & VPlatform® cyber security tech does not violate privacy issues of the user.”

WTAF?

My privacy couldn't be more violated if they broke into my home and installed a GPS tracking device in my arm.

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Sunday 5th July 12:50