CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)

[ant1973]

ORD said:

I’ve been trying to find out what restrictions there now on the public. It looks like it’s all only guidance now except that gatherings of over 30 people are illegal.

Has any media outlet even mentioned this? We’re being told things are ‘rules’ when they’re nothing of the sort. That’s deeply wrong.

If you look back to Friday night, I posted the new regs.

[rover 623gsi]

ORD said:

I’ve been trying to find out what restrictions there now on the public. It looks like it’s all only guidance now except that gatherings of over 30 people are illegal.

Has any media outlet even mentioned this? We’re being told things are ‘rules’ when they’re nothing of the sort. That’s deeply wrong.

in BJ's most recent press briefing he made a small almost throwaway comment about the new 'rules' just being guidance rather than legislation but the no one (in the media) seems to have picked up on it.

[CrutyRammers]

lllnorrislll said:

I think the scenes from last night are insulting, we still have Leicester on full lockdown and yet we had carnage in other UK cities as the police, council, pubs and the general public could not contain the revelers.

In the same way the government can lock down for increased rates of infection, we should lock down town centres where there is increased incidence of antisocial / non-compliance with self distancing until the above can prove that it can be contained or risk is removed.

If only there had been some mass gatherings 3 weeks ago or so, that would let us see if there was a resulting spike in deaths. Should be pretty clear by now, no?

[ORD]

ant1973 said:

If you look back to Friday night, I posted the new regs.

Yep. Unless I’m missing something, it’s only the large gatherings ‘rule’ that is actually law.

I think it’s absolutely disgraceful that the Govt is hiding from us what the actual law now is, and that the press is playing along.

I don’t want to break the law but am not remotely interested in guidance. That’s a perfectly legitimate and appropriate attitude in a democracy. And the Govt is deliberately making it hard for people to find out what is law and what is not.

[ORD]

Apparently Farage ‘put lives at risk’ by only quarantining for 13, rather than 14 days.

This is in a context where, last time I checked, the longest recorded incubation period was 11 days.

Get a fking grip, Britain!

[jamoor]

ORD said:

Apparently Farage ‘put lives at risk’ by only quarantining for 13, rather than 14 days.

This is in a context where, last time I checked, the longest recorded incubation period was 11 days.

Get a fking grip, Britain!

Britain, South Korea, Vietnam, China, Japan, Taiwan.

In fact many countries have implemented 2 week quarantine measures that have been far more successful at controlling the virus than we have. They make us look like amateurs (which we are)

[anonymous-user]

ORD said:

I’ve been trying to find out what restrictions there now on the public. It looks like it’s all only guidance now except that gatherings of over 30 people are illegal.

Has any media outlet even mentioned this? We’re being told things are ‘rules’ when they’re nothing of the sort. That’s deeply wrong.

Mass gathering of over 30 are illegal unless you make sure you have hundreds and then you can intimidate the police and do whatever you wish

[MDMetal]

My big question is surely it's clear pubs are the biggest risk but playgrounds opened at the same time? Children who have notified and who studies have shown pretty much never pass the virus on...

So of we followed the science how do we get to the above? It's clearly made up for fun.

[sim72]

ORD said:

Apparently Farage ‘put lives at risk’ by only quarantining for 13, rather than 14 days.

This is in a context where, last time I checked, the longest recorded incubation period was 11 days.

Get a fking grip, Britain!

Well, except that the legislation says 14 days, and he broke it not for any important reason, but just so that he could put his face on social media desperately clutching a pint in an attempt to do ... well, something.

You just know he's that bloke in the pub that everyone tries to avoid talking to, don't you?

[RSTurboPaul]

jamoor said:

ORD said:

Apparently Farage ‘put lives at risk’ by only quarantining for 13, rather than 14 days.

This is in a context where, last time I checked, the longest recorded incubation period was 11 days.

Get a fking grip, Britain!

Britain, South Korea, Vietnam, China, Japan, Taiwan.

In fact many countries have implemented 2 week quarantine measures that have been far more successful at controlling the virus plebs than we have. They make us look like amateurs (which we are)

FTFY

[johnboy1975]

Where have they pulled this figure if a further 27,000 excess deaths from?

[hutchst]

johnboy1975 said:

Where have they pulled this figure if a further 27,000 excess deaths from?

The Neil Ferguson school of how to get your name in the papers.

[Red 4]

hutchst said:

johnboy1975 said:

Where have they pulled this figure if a further 27,000 excess deaths from?

The Neil Ferguson school of how to get your name in the papers.

It was Sir David King I believe.

Former Chief Scientific Bod.

[ruggedscotty]

MDMetal said:

My big question is surely it's clear pubs are the biggest risk but playgrounds opened at the same time? Children who have notified and who studies have shown pretty much never pass the virus on...

So of we followed the science how do we get to the above? It's clearly made up for fun.

I googled that about children -

it appears that testing of children is lower, so it may under represent the actual numbers of children with the virus, they are also saying that kids may get a milder dose of the disease, however they are saying that there is no real evidence to support that kids cant transmit, infact they say the opposite, any other covid it spreads to and from kids so covid 19 should be any different.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-an...

[ORD]

ruggedscotty said:

I googled that about children -

it appears that testing of children is lower, so it may under represent the actual numbers of children with the virus, they are also saying that kids may get a milder dose of the disease, however they are saying that there is no real evidence to support that kids cant transmit, infact they say the opposite, any other covid it spreads to and from kids so covid 19 should be any different.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-an...

The worthwhile studies suggest children play only a small role in community transmission.

[anonymous-user]

Bit of a second wave going on in Iran - they are closing restaurants on a localised basis, and introducing compulsory masks in public spaces.

I guess the plus side of pubs opening this early, is we will find out sooner rather than later if it's an issue. If it is we have a chance to reverse it before school starts.

[Elysium]

lllnorrislll said:

I think the scenes from last night are insulting, we still have Leicester on full lockdown and yet we had carnage in other UK cities as the police, council, pubs and the general public could not contain the revelers.

In the same way the government can lock down for increased rates of infection, we should lock down town centres where there is increased incidence of antisocial / non-compliance with self distancing until the above can prove that it can be contained or risk is removed.

Or we could stop worrying about what other people are doing because it’s none of our business.

[dmahon]

Elysium said:

Or we could stop worrying about what other people are doing because it’s none of our business.

Yeah, the curtain twitchers have had 4 months of fun. It’s really time to let people exercise a bit of free will in relation to this.

[dmahon]

sambucket said:

i wonder what the 'R Penalty' of opening pubs like Soho is..... vs for example, opening all restaurants , cafes, childcare and hotels fully without any kind of SD.

The only logical explanation I can think of, is this weekend is some kind of respite care, or 'hammer and dance' which will be pulled back shortly.

Or it has no impact at all on anything, in which case I'll stop moaning.

We are still waiting for the spikes after the dog walkers in the Peak District, BLM protests, VE Day, busy days at the beaches. Think the doom mongers will be disappointed in two weeks time as well when there is no uptick.

Edit - I can see everyone made the same point before I did. Sorry!

Edited by dmahon on Sunday 5th July 18:38

[ruggedscotty]

Elysium said:

Or we could stop worrying about what other people are doing because it’s none of our business.

but that is wrong, it is our business, if this kicks off again and we end up in the midst of a second wave and more lockdowns then out business will be affected. getting sick and tired of the same crap being trotted out about it being nothing to do with us.

Where was the social distancing ? the appropriate advice that was given out not being followed.... 1m or 2m seperation ?

nope not in evidence at all. but hey carry on chastise those that have a worry for the future,

chastise those that think we should adhere.

For if this comes back then we will be royally shafted.