CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)

[anonymous-user]

lemmingjames said:

Best quote you before you delete the post

Have you exceeded your 2 post quota yet?

On a semi personal note, and it applies for a lot on here with children, why aren't you out enjoying the sunshine with them day and night and arguing about things over and over again?

P.s. my prediction for gyms reopening is 13th July

The honest truth is, as unflattering as it sounds, I would rather they be at school/nursery so I can do my own thing at least half the time. That thing probably woudn't be posting on here, so you should prey they return full time!

I live next to a beach, I have a fairly decent sandcastle count.

I make exceptoins to the post limit when people quote me.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th June 11:26

[lemmingjames]

alangla said:

Thought the issue wasn't the seat, but when you pulled the chain the "stuff" the previous user had deposited could become aerosolised & breathed in? Turning your back as you flush and washing your hands on exit in case it's on the door would presumably minimise the risk, but at the general thought of aerosolised "deposit" in the air at all.
Has there actually been any research on what sort of spread comes from a typical flush in these situations or is this another theoretical risk? Presumably urinals are unlikely to be affected by this.

Its no different from before and there has been studies, which if you read, would have you wearing adult nappies t home

[Biker 1]

How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........

[RTB]

Matt_N said:

The toilets being closed everywhere is really starting to piss me off.

We haven’t strayed too far for the last few months, I’ve been out on my bike (cycling) locally and going out as a family for walks in the countryside etc. But with a 5 yr old the inevitable will happen and he’ll need a wee.

Went to a trail centre a few weeks ago that has a cafe, more than happy to sell coffee, cakes and ice cream but can’t possibly open the toilet.

Went to Portishead Marina on Sunday for early evening fish and chips, cafes, pubs and restaurants all doing take away but did any of them have a toilet open, nope. One lady kicked right off actually.

Went to Bath yesterday as my son has Wednesdays off school (reception and loving being back in with minimal nonsense). Took my first day off work since end of March and took him for an ice cream, he needed a wee and we would usually head to M&S in Bath if we need the toilet, open and full of shoppers but the toilets were closed!

It's almost like they're trying to discourage people from going out for very long or going very far from home..... I wonder why'd they do that, now that it's all over and the virus has gone

[alangla]

lemmingjames said:

Its no different from before and there has been studies, which if you read, would have you wearing adult nappies t home

Oh I know. The was more at the thought of what's in there most of the time, not the possibility of Covid.

[grumbledoak]

RTB said:

It's almost like they're trying to discourage people from going out for very long or going very far from home..... I wonder why'd they do that, now that it's all over and the virus has gone

They are probably simply saving "their" money by not cleaning them.

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[lemmingjames]

Biker 1 said:

How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........

Once crime kicks off and people can't be recognised, face mask use shall be removed to user choice but not necessary

[dreamcracker]

Biker 1 said:

How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........

Probably until there is a vaccine cure.

I can't see it changing this year, but who knows.

[xjay1337]

ant1973 said:

This is worth a read from the ONS.

What is striking is the number of business that have continued to trade but have furloughed staff.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Now some of that will be legitimate but the numbers are such that I am pretty sceptical as to the motivations of some employers.

Pretty troubling if the owners are alert to the fact that their businesses can run with fewer staff...

That is a concern.

At our company they Furloughed some and reduced everyone else's salary.

When they announced the salaries will return to normal, a line was put in which seemed innocuous but if you read into it...

Something like "those who were not furloughed will be returned to full salary.."

Scary times for a lot of people.

[anonymous-user]

xjay1337 said:

That is a concern.

At our company they Furloughed some and reduced everyone else's salary.

When they announced the salaries will return to normal, a line was put in which seemed innocuous but if you read into it...

Something like "those who were not furloughed will be returned to full salary.."

Scary times for a lot of people.

That doesn’t sound legal. Employees need to agree to variation in contract, including being furloughed.

[NerveAgent]

Biker 1 said:

How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........

Hopefully only a month or two. Fingers crossed the weather stays hot and the wannabe faceless drones realise how horrific wearing a mask is fairly quickly.

[TameRacingDriver]

xjay1337 said:

ant1973 said:

This is worth a read from the ONS.

What is striking is the number of business that have continued to trade but have furloughed staff.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Now some of that will be legitimate but the numbers are such that I am pretty sceptical as to the motivations of some employers.

Pretty troubling if the owners are alert to the fact that their businesses can run with fewer staff...

That is a concern.

At our company they Furloughed some and reduced everyone else's salary.

When they announced the salaries will return to normal, a line was put in which seemed innocuous but if you read into it...

Something like "those who were not furloughed will be returned to full salary.."

Scary times for a lot of people.

My mrs works in business travel. She used to work for Amex, but was made redundant about 4 years ago now as they decided to close the local office, and they were asked to either home work or take redundancy, she chose the latter as she received a £25K pay off and she didn't fancy working in the tiny, dilapidated flat we lived in at the time.

She now does the same job for a law firm, in a much smaller travel team. She's been furloughed since April and will now be until at least the end of July, but I think at least August personally.

She keeps in touch with her old Amex workmates, and yesterday apparently they put the feelers out for voluntary redundancies, having already furloughed a lot of staff, but not all, and the ones that didn't had their salary reduced to 80%, so I would say it's looking very dodgy for anyone works at that place now.

Another contact of hers now works at CWT, and he's been furloughed until end of October at least. Again not looking good.

The company the mrs works for have been good mind, they've furloughed her put have topped up her salary to 100% every month, plus a little extra. Still, because of the industry she works in, it can't be looking good, but her company seems to have behaved better than many, and haven't made any comments about redundancies yet. Her team is only 3 people so it will be interesting to see what happens. Much of her job is rail travel so it might be a bit better.

However she only has 3 and a bit years service and she doesn't have any of her money left from the last place, as she used it extending the lease on the old flat so she was able to sell it, paid off her debts and used the rest as a deposit on our current house. If she's made redundant she'll probably only get about £2k + her months salary for that month, and I'll be left to pay for the new house, all the bills and food on my salary which isn't exactly good, and we're getting no pay rises or bonuses this year.

Tough times all round I feel.

[xjay1337]

sambucket said:

xjay1337 said:

That is a concern.

At our company they Furloughed some and reduced everyone else's salary.

When they announced the salaries will return to normal, a line was put in which seemed innocuous but if you read into it...

Something like "those who were not furloughed will be returned to full salary.."

Scary times for a lot of people.

That doesn’t sound legal. Employees need to agree to variation in contract, including being furloughed.

1) The reduction in salaries was offered. You didn't have to take it. All but one person did. That person doesn't work here anymore as there was not enough money within the business to maintain them at full pay. We all had to make sacrifices.

2) Some employees were furloughed. Of course, those were asked. Everyone accepted. I am worried for those who were furloughed will either be made redundant or have to take a longer term pay cut.


There's nothing illegal against it, I just couldn't be bothered to make an overtly detailed post. But here you are so...

[anonymous-user]

xjay1337 said:

1) The reduction in salaries was offered. You didn't have to take it. All but one person did. That person doesn't work here anymore as there was not enough money within the business to maintain them at full pay. We all had to make sacrifices.

2) Some employees were furloughed. Of course, those were asked. Everyone accepted. I am worried for those who were furloughed will either be made redundant or have to take a longer term pay cut.

Sincere thanks for the detail.

These 'requests'... All seems a bit mafia polite though doesn't it.

[ant1973]

TameRacingDriver said:

xjay1337 said:

ant1973 said:

This is worth a read from the ONS.

What is striking is the number of business that have continued to trade but have furloughed staff.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

Now some of that will be legitimate but the numbers are such that I am pretty sceptical as to the motivations of some employers.

Pretty troubling if the owners are alert to the fact that their businesses can run with fewer staff...

That is a concern.

At our company they Furloughed some and reduced everyone else's salary.

When they announced the salaries will return to normal, a line was put in which seemed innocuous but if you read into it...

Something like "those who were not furloughed will be returned to full salary.."

Scary times for a lot of people.

My mrs works in business travel. She used to work for Amex, but was made redundant about 4 years ago now as they decided to close the local office, and they were asked to either home work or take redundancy, she chose the latter as she received a £25K pay off and she didn't fancy working in the tiny, dilapidated flat we lived in at the time.

She now does the same job for a law firm, in a much smaller travel team. She's been furloughed since April and will now be until at least the end of July, but I think at least August personally.

She keeps in touch with her old Amex workmates, and yesterday apparently they put the feelers out for voluntary redundancies, having already furloughed a lot of staff, but not all, and the ones that didn't had their salary reduced to 80%, so I would say it's looking very dodgy for anyone works at that place now.

Another contact of hers now works at CWT, and he's been furloughed until end of October at least. Again not looking good.

The company the mrs works for have been good mind, they've furloughed her put have topped up her salary to 100% every month, plus a little extra. Still, because of the industry she works in, it can't be looking good, but her company seems to have behaved better than many, and haven't made any comments about redundancies yet. Her team is only 3 people so it will be interesting to see what happens. Much of her job is rail travel so it might be a bit better.

However she only has 3 and a bit years service and she doesn't have any of her money left from the last place, as she used it extending the lease on the old flat so she was able to sell it, paid off her debts and used the rest as a deposit on our current house. If she's made redundant she'll probably only get about £2k + her months salary for that month, and I'll be left to pay for the new house, all the bills and food on my salary which isn't exactly good, and we're getting no pay rises or bonuses this year.

Tough times all round I feel.

The appalling hidden cost of this absurdity is only slowly emerging. I feel very sorry for the predicament you have been placed in. Fingers crossed it does not come to it.

[xjay1337]

sambucket said:

Sincere thanks for the detail.

These 'requests'... All seems a bit mafia polite though doesn't it.

Not really.

It's the reality of the financial situation.

You either help or get the boot.

[ant1973]

xjay1337 said:

1) The reduction in salaries was offered. You didn't have to take it. All but one person did. That person doesn't work here anymore as there was not enough money within the business to maintain them at full pay. We all had to make sacrifices.

2) Some employees were furloughed. Of course, those were asked. Everyone accepted. I am worried for those who were furloughed will either be made redundant or have to take a longer term pay cut.


There's nothing illegal against it, I just couldn't be bothered to make an overtly detailed post. But here you are so...

Because Virus is pretty much a guaranteed lawful reason for redundancy for the foreseeable future. Leaving to one side the morality, some people don't understand the weakness of their negotiating position in the present climate. If there was ever a time to be perceived to be a model employee it's now. Unless you have epic continuity of service, redundancy is going to offer pretty modest compensation.