CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)
Discussion
Meanwhile lockdown V2 for the winter being openly discussed. Of course it will be "locaised" in nature and we can trust Hancock not to panic at every turn and lock us in our home.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511959/W...
Nothing is going to happen in the country until at least the spring unless there is a vaccine found pronto (which will largely come to the same thing). Enjoy the summer because I suspect this winter is going to be the s
t show to end all st shows - both economically and socially.
Who in their right mind is going to commit to a new venture, invest in a new office, risk taking on staff, etc, etc, against the backdrop of the push-me-pull you messaging of go to work but stay at home...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511959/W...
Nothing is going to happen in the country until at least the spring unless there is a vaccine found pronto (which will largely come to the same thing). Enjoy the summer because I suspect this winter is going to be the s
t show to end all st shows - both economically and socially. Who in their right mind is going to commit to a new venture, invest in a new office, risk taking on staff, etc, etc, against the backdrop of the push-me-pull you messaging of go to work but stay at home...
Crippo said:
ant1973 said:
So my principled opposition to the face nappy lasted all of 24 hours. I had to reluctantly venture to B&Q today to purchase paint that I forgot to order earlier in the week. I donned a disposable surgical mask and within a few minutes I found it pretty oppressive. All I wanted to do was to get in and out of the store as quickly as possible. Retail is so fecked if this is it's near term future. Far from making me think it is safe, I simply wanted to never to come back.
Why did you do that? Are you in Scotland?I’ll only wear a mask if it’s law and even then it’ll be kept in my pocket and worn very reluctantly if told to.
isaldiri said:
MG CHRIS said:
Hopefully all this nonsense will pass and people will slip back into their old lives.
That's the problem. Why would it ever stop? As cmoose pointed out previously, it's being imposed (or looks like it will) based on completely ambiguous evidence. How does one then back out of the imposition of masks as it's not being based on any clear evidence.Elysium said:
sambucket said:
The irony is, Boris hates masks and is pressured into doing this because of the balance of scientific opinion is shifting too much to ignore. And yet everyone is saying it's a political decision.
I'm wondering, what decision if any has been made re this pandemic that isn't political. Can you name a single decision that was informed primarily by science?
The scientific opinion has not shifted at all. Not even slightly.I'm wondering, what decision if any has been made re this pandemic that isn't political. Can you name a single decision that was informed primarily by science?
There is a small benefit if masks are made of the right materials and worn correctly. Most will not be.
That’s the full extent of the scientific consensus. Nothing more has been learned.
People like you are calling for this because it happened in other countries and you don’t like the idea that we are missing out on something that would help you ‘feel’ safe. It’s emotional.
I have no idea what to believe any more but you need to be careful with phrases such as that in bold above which may not be the absolute that you claim.
Personally I’m all for opening up the economy as normal.
I’ve also just read the Telegraph this morning and note that the Premier League have been told off by government for players not socially distancing when celebrating goals as it sets a bad example
All f
king ridiculous imo.Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 11th July 11:15
markyb_lcy said:
isaldiri said:
MG CHRIS said:
Hopefully all this nonsense will pass and people will slip back into their old lives.
That's the problem. Why would it ever stop? As cmoose pointed out previously, it's being imposed (or looks like it will) based on completely ambiguous evidence. How does one then back out of the imposition of masks as it's not being based on any clear evidence.markyb_lcy said:
There will be a section of the public that will want them to remain possibly until there is “zero” Covid. Like everything with the crisis it is easy to impose a measure but multiple times harder to get rid of it.
Even if we hit the impossible target of zero covid, the same people will have been brainwashed into scared, paranoid shells frightened of colds and flu as well. There’s a definite pitch on dragons den for someone who makes human bubbles 
Condi said:
£20 a box profit? A box of 10 blue ones from Screwfix is only £6 retail.
Nobody wants a blue peasant one!This sort of thing is what I mean.
https://www.bagsoflove.co.uk/personalised-face-mas...
TameRacingDriver said:
markyb_lcy said:
There will be a section of the public that will want them to remain possibly until there is “zero” Covid. Like everything with the crisis it is easy to impose a measure but multiple times harder to get rid of it.
Even if we hit the impossible target of zero covid, the same people will have been brainwashed into scared, paranoid shells frightened of colds and flu as well. There’s a definite pitch on dragons den for someone who makes human bubbles How can we make this happen on the high street?
NerveAgent said:
I remember as a kid putting my hamster in a plastic ball. Occasionally someone would accidentally kick it and the hamster would go flying around inside the ball.
How can we make this happen on the high street?
Just Google Zorb ball. Its already here, I do hope the government make those compulsory. It will be amazing! How can we make this happen on the high street?
Something else our politicians appear not to have considered is that we must all now hurry back to the office in order to support Pret, Costa etc.
But the days of the lunch hour have been long gone for years; pre-covid it was dash out, grab a sandwich, rush back. The people diving in and out grabbing a sandwich is also where the profit was - not from the guy lingering for three hours with his solitary half-foam skinny frappe with cinnamon sprinkles.
The "new normal", making everyone queue outside while one person is safely alone in the shop dithering over their selection, is going to make it impossible to perform the ten-minute dash out for your lunch. If you have to queue for half an hour to get a sandwich people won't have time to do so. They will either take their own food, eat nothing, or survive on whatever is in the vending machine.
The rules on pubs (pre-book your table slot etc.) are going to prevent the spontaneous "grab a pint after work"
A certain type of person may be gorging on buying new clothes after three months of only satisfying their craving online and might rush out to buy new "work outfits" if ordered back to the office, but the majority will be looking at the looming economic apocalypse and consider that their existing shirts and suit will do just fine for however long they still have a job this year.
The idea that the economy can return to pre-covid times while also retaining the confused and incoherent "rules" is nonsensical.
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
But the days of the lunch hour have been long gone for years; pre-covid it was dash out, grab a sandwich, rush back. The people diving in and out grabbing a sandwich is also where the profit was - not from the guy lingering for three hours with his solitary half-foam skinny frappe with cinnamon sprinkles.
The "new normal", making everyone queue outside while one person is safely alone in the shop dithering over their selection, is going to make it impossible to perform the ten-minute dash out for your lunch. If you have to queue for half an hour to get a sandwich people won't have time to do so. They will either take their own food, eat nothing, or survive on whatever is in the vending machine.
The rules on pubs (pre-book your table slot etc.) are going to prevent the spontaneous "grab a pint after work"
A certain type of person may be gorging on buying new clothes after three months of only satisfying their craving online and might rush out to buy new "work outfits" if ordered back to the office, but the majority will be looking at the looming economic apocalypse and consider that their existing shirts and suit will do just fine for however long they still have a job this year.
The idea that the economy can return to pre-covid times while also retaining the confused and incoherent "rules" is nonsensical.
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
Elysium said:
scottyp123 said:
If covid had been dealt with then there wouldn't be the need for any masks, basically the government are saying there is still a killer disease out there but you need to give your hard earned money to my conglomerate mates so you will have to inconvenience yourself by wearing a mask. The concern from the government seems to be dead people can't spend.
Only 1 in 3900 people with coronavirus. Not COVID - just the virus.It’s been ‘dealt with’. If you think otherwise then you have wholly unrealistic expectations. No Govt can wink this illness out of existence.
which begs the question why would anyone believe what the government says on face masks? They have just about got everything else completely wrong regarding the virus and many many other things but millions of doom mongerers now believe them when they say you can pop to the shops with a mask and everything will be hunky dory.
2 days into compulsory mask wearing and participation seems to be about 50% where I live. Local shop owner next door but one to me reckons turning away ones without masks would decimate further what is left of his existing trade.
The problem with masks is looking into the pysche of the typical person around where I live.
Most are using single use medical masks or wrapping a scarf around their face.
Now it would be nice to believe that after they have been to the shops (not the pub) that they responsibly bin the single use mask or throw their only fabric mask or scarf in the wash ready for next time. Money isn't exactly awash where I live. What do you think most folk will be doing?
Me I'm just not going out and getting everything delivered. I can go to a pub and get bevvied up and laugh and talk loudly. But I cannot go into a shop and buy a pint of milk without saying a word to anyone?
I'll go back to normal once the powers that be come to their senses. Just feel for the local shops in the meantime.
The problem with masks is looking into the pysche of the typical person around where I live.
Most are using single use medical masks or wrapping a scarf around their face.
Now it would be nice to believe that after they have been to the shops (not the pub) that they responsibly bin the single use mask or throw their only fabric mask or scarf in the wash ready for next time. Money isn't exactly awash where I live. What do you think most folk will be doing?
Me I'm just not going out and getting everything delivered. I can go to a pub and get bevvied up and laugh and talk loudly. But I cannot go into a shop and buy a pint of milk without saying a word to anyone?
I'll go back to normal once the powers that be come to their senses. Just feel for the local shops in the meantime.
Flooble said:
Something else our politicians appear not to have considered is that we must all now hurry back to the office in order to support Pret, Costa etc.
But the days of the lunch hour have been long gone for years; pre-covid it was dash out, grab a sandwich, rush back. The people diving in and out grabbing a sandwich is also where the profit was - not from the guy lingering for three hours with his solitary half-foam skinny frappe with cinnamon sprinkles.
The "new normal", making everyone queue outside while one person is safely alone in the shop dithering over their selection, is going to make it impossible to perform the ten-minute dash out for your lunch. If you have to queue for half an hour to get a sandwich people won't have time to do so. They will either take their own food, eat nothing, or survive on whatever is in the vending machine.
The rules on pubs (pre-book your table slot etc.) are going to prevent the spontaneous "grab a pint after work"
A certain type of person may be gorging on buying new clothes after three months of only satisfying their craving online and might rush out to buy new "work outfits" if ordered back to the office, but the majority will be looking at the looming economic apocalypse and consider that their existing shirts and suit will do just fine for however long they still have a job this year.
The idea that the economy can return to pre-covid times while also retaining the confused and incoherent "rules" is nonsensical.
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
That's what I don't get, the so called experts seem genuinely surprised that all the city centre shops are struggling, its like it was totally unexpected and has caught them off guard, now they are panicking and trying to order people back to the office as if its now compulsory.But the days of the lunch hour have been long gone for years; pre-covid it was dash out, grab a sandwich, rush back. The people diving in and out grabbing a sandwich is also where the profit was - not from the guy lingering for three hours with his solitary half-foam skinny frappe with cinnamon sprinkles.
The "new normal", making everyone queue outside while one person is safely alone in the shop dithering over their selection, is going to make it impossible to perform the ten-minute dash out for your lunch. If you have to queue for half an hour to get a sandwich people won't have time to do so. They will either take their own food, eat nothing, or survive on whatever is in the vending machine.
The rules on pubs (pre-book your table slot etc.) are going to prevent the spontaneous "grab a pint after work"
A certain type of person may be gorging on buying new clothes after three months of only satisfying their craving online and might rush out to buy new "work outfits" if ordered back to the office, but the majority will be looking at the looming economic apocalypse and consider that their existing shirts and suit will do just fine for however long they still have a job this year.
The idea that the economy can return to pre-covid times while also retaining the confused and incoherent "rules" is nonsensical.
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
Surely even a 5 year old child doing basic maths can work out that if you stop half a million people from going to a certain location then there will be half a million people less going into nearby shops buying over priced coffee and trendy past salad boxes. Surely even just one of the minions in government spotted that one.
garyhun said:
Elysium said:
sambucket said:
The irony is, Boris hates masks and is pressured into doing this because of the balance of scientific opinion is shifting too much to ignore. And yet everyone is saying it's a political decision.
I'm wondering, what decision if any has been made re this pandemic that isn't political. Can you name a single decision that was informed primarily by science?
The scientific opinion has not shifted at all. Not even slightly.I'm wondering, what decision if any has been made re this pandemic that isn't political. Can you name a single decision that was informed primarily by science?
There is a small benefit if masks are made of the right materials and worn correctly. Most will not be.
That’s the full extent of the scientific consensus. Nothing more has been learned.
People like you are calling for this because it happened in other countries and you don’t like the idea that we are missing out on something that would help you ‘feel’ safe. It’s emotional.
I have no idea what to believe any more but you need to be careful with phrases such as that in bold above which may not be the absolute that you claim.
Personally I’m all for opening up the economy as normal.
I’ve also just read the Telegraph this morning and note that the Premier League have been told off by government for players not socially distancing when celebrating goals as it sets a bad example
All f
king ridiculous imo.Edited by garyhun on Saturday 11th July 11:15
The 6th June advice has not been altered.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviru...
There is no evidence that they work according to WHO.
Flooble said:
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
I've been thinking about buying a new watch, had some money saved for it, had a decent win on the horses the other day.The first thing I thought of doing was to go to the nearest big town have a trawl of the jewellers and buy myself something decent.
The second thought I had was I really can't be arsed with waiting to get in somewhere, socially distancing to talk to a mask wearing shop assistant not being able to handle something that to me would be a significant purchase.
The third thought was that i'll put it in premium bonds with the money that I had allocated for a 996tt/ Vantage just before lockdown and wait until the country becomes normal again, if it ever does.
n3il123 said:
I've been thinking about buying a new watch, had some money saved for it, had a decent win on the horses the other day.
The first thing I thought of doing was to go to the nearest big town have a trawl of the jewellers and buy myself something decent.
The second thought I had was I really can't be arsed with waiting to get in somewhere, socially distancing to talk to a mask wearing shop assistant not being able to handle something that to me would be a significant purchase.
The third thought was that i'll put it in premium bonds with the money that I had allocated for a 996tt/ Vantage just before lockdown and wait until the country becomes normal again, if it ever does.
Alternatively (with added risk) TVR are offering 8.5% on a 5 year bond.The first thing I thought of doing was to go to the nearest big town have a trawl of the jewellers and buy myself something decent.
The second thought I had was I really can't be arsed with waiting to get in somewhere, socially distancing to talk to a mask wearing shop assistant not being able to handle something that to me would be a significant purchase.
The third thought was that i'll put it in premium bonds with the money that I had allocated for a 996tt/ Vantage just before lockdown and wait until the country becomes normal again, if it ever does.
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s2art said:
Alternatively (with added risk) TVR are offering 8.5% on a 5 year bond.
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n3il123 said:
Flooble said:
And that's before we even consider those of us who just cannot be bothered dealing with the Karens and won't go near a shop if we can possibly help it, even on our days off.
I've been thinking about buying a new watch, had some money saved for it, had a decent win on the horses the other day.The first thing I thought of doing was to go to the nearest big town have a trawl of the jewellers and buy myself something decent.
The second thought I had was I really can't be arsed with waiting to get in somewhere, socially distancing to talk to a mask wearing shop assistant not being able to handle something that to me would be a significant purchase.
The third thought was that i'll put it in premium bonds with the money that I had allocated for a 996tt/ Vantage just before lockdown and wait until the country becomes normal again, if it ever does.
Has anyone actually considered what it will be like when the same moronic loons that have spent the last three months screaming for masks to be compulsory actually venture out to the shops. Their type aren't generally known for going to the shops for a nice bit of quiet relaxation shopping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L74rKM_8f9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9stjEbZz5Sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92RIc6ms25w
Can't see it working out too well for the shops either way round really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L74rKM_8f9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9stjEbZz5Sc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92RIc6ms25w
Can't see it working out too well for the shops either way round really.
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