CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)
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Here's a depressingly disgusting photo today from taking my son to a nearby park. Anyone care to explain what science this is based in? Parks in other towns aren't festooned with notices decrying how many children can use the equipment. Plenty of other parks have the same swing sets open for use so what guidance or science have the local tinpot dictators decided to use? It honestly sent me into a rage..
sambucket said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Elysium said:
The level of logical acrobatics required to come to that conclusion is quite something.
So people are scared of COVID, but they won’t wear a mask because they are more scared that they will look silly. You want everyone to wear a mask to make them feel less self conscious?
Anyone who genuinely feels that COVID is going to kill them, but are more bothered about appearance than safety is a f
king idiot.
I’m now wondering what you will come up with next?
Probably he will claim he isn't following any of the covid rules himself (including wearing a mask) and will claim he likes taking drugs. Or maybe that was last week's boast....So people are scared of COVID, but they won’t wear a mask because they are more scared that they will look silly. You want everyone to wear a mask to make them feel less self conscious?
Anyone who genuinely feels that COVID is going to kill them, but are more bothered about appearance than safety is a f
king idiot.I’m now wondering what you will come up with next?
As I said, adherence was perhaps 5% on the 9th in Scotland, and 95% on the 10th. If you look at the polls. Over 60% were calling for mandated mask. I'm just trying to explain the gap.
Seems quite simple to me. Facebook is full of people complaining shops are unsafe because no one wears masks, people cough on the apples. But they are too vain and selfish to wear a mask themselves. Because they know enough about masks to understand it's not meant to protect the wearer. It's meant to stop them breathing on everything and reducing spread. (they are clever enough to understand this at least).
No way are they going to be in the minority who wears a mask. But if everyone wears them, party time.
t though. I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
sambucket said:
People don't want to wear masks themselves. They want other people to wear masks. Retail staff say they are more comfortable at work if all customers are wearing masks. It limits their exposure.
You are right in a way, people do like being told what to do. They want something to happen, but don't want to expend the willpower to do it themselves.
In scotland, before the 10th, maybe 5% wore masks, probably less. That has shot up to 95% overnight. Once the tipping point has reach, it becomes much less weird.
where in scotland are 95% of people wearing masks ? i covered around 70 miles up the east coast today and back and only saw a handful of masks. i forgot (genuinely) it had now been mandated although it didn't seem to bother my mate when i went into his shop this morning, as he wasn't wearing one and only one other customer was.You are right in a way, people do like being told what to do. They want something to happen, but don't want to expend the willpower to do it themselves.
In scotland, before the 10th, maybe 5% wore masks, probably less. That has shot up to 95% overnight. Once the tipping point has reach, it becomes much less weird.
Elysium said:
Interesting theory, I am going to call bullst though.
I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
How do you explain the gap between 65% polling or whatever it was, supporting mandated masks in shops, and the 5% who actually wore them?t though. I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
wc98 said:
where in scotland are 95% of people wearing masks ? i covered around 70 miles up the east coast today and back and only saw a handful of masks. i forgot (genuinely) it had now been mandated although it didn't seem to bother my mate when i went into his shop this morning, as he wasn't wearing one and only one other customer was.
most of the shops near me are mid size coops and they seem pretty strict. Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th July 20:26
Thin White Duke said:
I would imagine if face coverings were to become mandatory in shops in England it would have to be brought in soon. If there is no announcement by the end of the week I think we'll be fine.
After the frenzy yesterday in response to Johnson’s comments there does not seem to be much push back against Gove saying they will not be mandatory. Just a shouty minority wanting to stamp their feet. I very much hope they do not get their way. It is the last thing we need at this point.
sambucket said:
Elysium said:
Interesting theory, I am going to call bullst though.
I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
How do you explain the gap between 65% polling or whatever it was, supporting mandated masks in shops, and the 5% who actually wore them?t though. I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
sambucket said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
You posted last week saying you personally didn't follow any of the covid rules - I thought that was somewhat ironic considering your enthusiasm for lockdowns and mask wearing for everyone else. Some might say you were being a little inconsistant, or even hypocritical?
I don't follow any of the rules personally, no. Glad it amuses you, I guess. As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
The actual number of patients in hospital with COVID-19 in England is 1,477
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/12823924...
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/12823924...
I spotted this article today and it really hit home for me how far we have drifted in 4 short months:
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus...
Deaths in Sweden are nearly down to zero and experts say its not a success. Have they completely forgotten the risk that we were told we faced at the start of this mess?
Based on the 16th March Imperial Model, Sweden should have expected 81% of their population to have become infected by the end of this month. Resulting in 365k hospitalisations and, with an IFR of 0.9%, around 75k deaths.
Boris Johnson still seems to believe that the lockdown prevented a catastrophe on this scale in the UK, saying in a message to young people last week that the disruption they had been put through had "saved hundreds of thousands of lives".
Sweden have actually 5,526 deaths - which equates to just 0.05% of their population. They achieved this with no lockdown and only basic, tried and tested epidemiological measures.
The situation that Sweden find themselves in is staggeringly different to the one they were warned about. They have a lower number of deaths per million than the UK, Spain and Italy, despite their various lockdowns. It is blindingly obvious that their actions have been successful.
But we have gone so far through the looking glass that, instead of trying to understand how this was achieved without a lockdown and what the implications could be for the rest of the world, they prefer to snipe and criticise Sweden for not doing as well as Norway, Denmark and Finland.
It is completely and utterly Insane. Just imagine we are back in early March. Imperial College issue the terrifying warning that we face a virus which will wipe out 0.05% of our population. Mainly those over 80 with pre-existing conditions. Would we have locked down at a cost of £400bn.
I don't think so.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus...
Deaths in Sweden are nearly down to zero and experts say its not a success. Have they completely forgotten the risk that we were told we faced at the start of this mess?
Based on the 16th March Imperial Model, Sweden should have expected 81% of their population to have become infected by the end of this month. Resulting in 365k hospitalisations and, with an IFR of 0.9%, around 75k deaths.
Boris Johnson still seems to believe that the lockdown prevented a catastrophe on this scale in the UK, saying in a message to young people last week that the disruption they had been put through had "saved hundreds of thousands of lives".
Sweden have actually 5,526 deaths - which equates to just 0.05% of their population. They achieved this with no lockdown and only basic, tried and tested epidemiological measures.
The situation that Sweden find themselves in is staggeringly different to the one they were warned about. They have a lower number of deaths per million than the UK, Spain and Italy, despite their various lockdowns. It is blindingly obvious that their actions have been successful.
But we have gone so far through the looking glass that, instead of trying to understand how this was achieved without a lockdown and what the implications could be for the rest of the world, they prefer to snipe and criticise Sweden for not doing as well as Norway, Denmark and Finland.
It is completely and utterly Insane. Just imagine we are back in early March. Imperial College issue the terrifying warning that we face a virus which will wipe out 0.05% of our population. Mainly those over 80 with pre-existing conditions. Would we have locked down at a cost of £400bn.
I don't think so.
survivalist said:
Awesome, me either.
As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I've never really trusted the 'UK' government. I was social distancing weeks before they advised. My family formed a bubble with another family near the peak so our kids had crucial contact. We socialised on the beach. I wore masks in shops. We did all the things the government should have done, but spectacularly failed to do, and I stand by all of it.As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I'm consider myself fairly Scandinavian in outlook. But the UK is not Sweden, we drop litter, we barely recycle, we get pissed in crowded pubs.
The UK I know is going the same way as USA unless govt start to get serious about bars and masks.
I don't particularly care about hypocrisy or even morality, unlike most here. My 'enthusiasm' for the subject is entirely practical. I want life back to some semblance of normality. And I want my parents to be able to go to hospital without wearing PPE.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th July 21:18
sambucket said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
You posted last week saying you personally didn't follow any of the covid rules - I thought that was somewhat ironic considering your enthusiasm for lockdowns and mask wearing for everyone else. Some might say you were being a little inconsistant, or even hypocritical?
I don't follow any of the rules personally, no. Glad it amuses you, I guess. sambucket said:
survivalist said:
Awesome, me either.
As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I don't particularly care about hypocrisy or even morality, unlike most here. My 'enthusiasm' for the subject is entirely practical. I want life back to some semblance of normality. And I want my parents to be able to go to hospital without wearing PPE. As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I've never really trusted the UK government. (scotland's response is tied to England's like it or not) i was social distancing weeks before they advised. My family formed a bubble with another family near the peak. We socialised on the beach. I wore masks in shops. We did all the things the government should have done, but spectacularly failed to do, and I stand by all of it.
I'm consider myself fairly Scandinavian in outlook. But the UK is not Sweden, we drop litter, we barely recycle, we get pissed in crowded pubs.
The UK I know is going the same way as USA unless govt start to get serious about bars and masks.
sambucket said:
I've never really trusted the 'UK' government. I was social distancing weeks before they advised. My family formed a bubble with another family near the peak so our kids had crucial contact. We socialised on the beach. I wore masks in shops. We did all the things the government should have done, but spectacularly failed to do, and I stand by all of it.
I'm consider myself fairly Scandinavian in outlook. But the UK is not Sweden, we drop litter, we barely recycle, we get pissed in crowded pubs.
The UK I know is going the same way as USA unless govt start to get serious about bars and masks.
I don't particularly care about hypocrisy or even morality, unlike most here. My 'enthusiasm' for the subject is entirely practical. I want life back to some semblance of normality. And I want my parents to be able to go to hospital without wearing PPE.
maybe if more people cared about hypocrisy and morality more there would be less of the litter dropping, waste creating pissheads that most people i know have zero time for.I'm consider myself fairly Scandinavian in outlook. But the UK is not Sweden, we drop litter, we barely recycle, we get pissed in crowded pubs.
The UK I know is going the same way as USA unless govt start to get serious about bars and masks.
I don't particularly care about hypocrisy or even morality, unlike most here. My 'enthusiasm' for the subject is entirely practical. I want life back to some semblance of normality. And I want my parents to be able to go to hospital without wearing PPE.
Edited by sambucket on Sunday 12th July 20:48
The Spruce Goose said:
ORD said:
There’s no credible argument for anything but opening up as fast as possible. It’s insane that it’s taking us months and months. By the time it’s normal again, we’ll
be into the flu season.
Utterly moronic approach.
Thin White Duke said:
I would imagine if face coverings were to become mandatory in shops in England it would have to be brought in soon. If there is no announcement by the end of the week I think we'll be fine.
If there's one thing we can rely on in these uncertain times, it's that our current government will dither in indecision until it's too late anyway and then botch the implementation. Elysium said:
sambucket said:
Elysium said:
Interesting theory, I am going to call bullst though.
I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
How do you explain the gap between 65% polling or whatever it was, supporting mandated masks in shops, and the 5% who actually wore them?t though. I think it more likely that mask wearing has increased in Scotland because your leader made it law as part of a political stunt to ‘get one over’ on Johnson.
They are wearing them because they have been told they will be fined if they don’t and most people don’t want to get into trouble or make a scene.
The idea that a majority wanted masks but were to shy to wear them without the threat of legal consequences is laughably stupid
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