CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)
Discussion
croyde said:
Greta will be all over the newspapers tomorrow telling us how this is all our fault.wc98 said:
where in scotland are 95% of people wearing masks ? i covered around 70 miles up the east coast today and back and only saw a handful of masks. i forgot (genuinely) it had now been mandated although it didn't seem to bother my mate when i went into his shop this morning, as he wasn't wearing one and only one other customer was.
Strange, every shop I have been in all customers have been wearing masks, thats in north east Scotland.When you say “covered 70 miles” I am presuming this was driving and not your mileage inside shops......
You don’t have to wear them walking around the town.
Bit like Goodwood revival, your the odd one if you haven’t made the effort..........
Edited to add - I don’t know if the wearing of masks will / is making a difference but anything I can do to try and help hopefully makes a difference.
Edited by tighnamara on Sunday 12th July 21:54
isaldiri said:
Ah I see sambucket has deleted his post calling me a trump fan. Pity it would have been mildly amusing to have quoted it before but I actually had better things to do earlier in the evening. ah well... .
Better things than be pointlessly mean to someone expressing their sincere opinion? I would hope so. 
so bizarre sambucket said:
isaldiri said:
Ah I see sambucket has deleted his post calling me a trump fan. Pity it would have been mildly amusing to have quoted it before but I actually had better things to do earlier in the evening. ah well... .
Better things than be pointlessly mean to someone expressing their sincere opinion? I would hope so. 
sambucket said:
Don't be shy, you have emergency powers to boss people around.
Perhaps as I've a viciously authoritarian streak, I'll order a brutal lockdown to turn the whole country into alcatraz with the national guard/army instructed to shoot anyone breaking the curfew but have my family and cronies exempted because little people need to do as I say and not as I do.....? 
isaldiri said:
Perhaps as I've a viciously authoritarian streak, I'll order a brutal lockdown to turn the whole country into alcatraz with the national guard/army instructed to shoot anyone breaking the curfew but have my family and cronies exempted because little people need to do as I say and not as I do.....?
Come on, give it up. Mayor of Texas is on the line. What's your advice?Would you reverse the mask order?
Maybe replicate Sweden's model, keep cafes and shops open etc, encourage home working?
ICU is under pressure. But I'm assuming you will keep all elective surgery going? No transfer of staff?
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 12th July 23:54
sambucket said:
ICU is under pressure. But I'm assuming you will keep all elective surgery going? No transfer of staff?
Ironically the spokesperson for one of the Houston hospitals were saying that one of the problems for their ICU capacity is that since there's no stay-at-home order any longer, alongside all their COVID victims they've still got road traffic accident, gang violence and heatstroke cases taking up beds. sambucket said:
Come on, give it up. Mayor of Texas is on the line. What's your advice?
I would hang up and ask the secret service to find the fool wasting my time claiming to be someone in a non existent position and tell whoever who put that person through in the first place he's fired because he didn't realize it was a governor of the state rather than a mayor......sambucket said:
survivalist said:
Awesome, me either.
As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I've never really trusted the 'UK' government. I was social distancing weeks before they advised. My family formed a bubble with another family near the peak so our kids had crucial contact. We socialised on the beach. I wore masks in shops. We did all the things the government should have done, but spectacularly failed to do, and I stand by all of it.As a result I don't expect anyone else to. As long as you're fine with that there's no issue.
If on the other hand your going to whine on about suppressing the virus and preventing tourists from visiting Scotland then I'd wager some might see it as hypocritical.
I'm consider myself fairly Scandinavian in outlook. But the UK is not Sweden, we drop litter, we barely recycle, we get pissed in crowded pubs.
The UK I know is going the same way as USA unless govt start to get serious about bars and masks.
I don't particularly care about hypocrisy or even morality, unlike most here. My 'enthusiasm' for the subject is entirely practical. I want life back to some semblance of normality. And I want my parents to be able to go to hospital without wearing PPE.
Edited by sambucket on Sunday 12th July 21:18
A vaccine will be almost impossible to test and approve with only small numbers of the virus about.
EddieSteadyGo said:
The reason why now is simple. As with so much about the response to covid, it isn't about epidemiology, but politics.
Now the critics of the government are waiting for any uptick in cases. And because the government's narrative up to now has been to frighten people, how can they now say any uptick in cases isn't frightening?
So if they mandate masks, they sidestep future potential criticism. After all, they will have "done everything possible..."
Sturgeon's move to mandate masks in Scotland is canny for the same reason. With the benefit of lower population density, she knows covid is easier to manage in Scotland and the chance of a future spike is lower than it is in places like Bradford or Leicester for example.
So she mandates masks, waits for any small spike in England, and then points to her "prudent leadership" and "tough decisions" designed to "keep people safe". She can't lose because who is counting the costs anymore when the government will happily splurge £15billion in three months on PPE....
I'd love to know where her priorities are, independence or eliminating covid. Happily for her, those two objectives are currently not mutually exclusive. Any uptick in Scotland will almost certainly be as a direct result of England seeding infections, and even if it isn't, I'm sure it can be span that way
mx5nut said:
If there's one thing we can rely on in these uncertain times, it's that our current government will dither in indecision until it's too late anyway and then botch the implementation.
do they dither , or just make noises about whatever the next idea is , then act on what the responce is The Spruce Goose said:
Scotland said they are not ruling out 14 day quarantine for people from England.
That bloody woman and their assembly needs to be torn down. This intra nationalism is just hatred with credibility. We've got a bunch of neer do wells in Cornwall who want the same thing. Absolute nonsense on stilts. I suggest we all ignore the virus totally until there are scenes on the news with hospital carparks rammed with people on ventilators. We all know it's not going to happen because cross city shagger models matey got it wrong by a couple of 0s
Elysium said:
I saw this on twitter earlier:
https://twitter.com/mlevitt_np2013/status/12821725...
A paper from 1973 documenting a spontaneous outbreak of coronavirus (not this one) in a group that had been in total isolation in the Antarctic for 17 weeks.
No one really knows what happens to seasonal viruses between outbreaks, but it is thought that they can sit dormant for long periods.
Fascinating stuffhttps://twitter.com/mlevitt_np2013/status/12821725...
A paper from 1973 documenting a spontaneous outbreak of coronavirus (not this one) in a group that had been in total isolation in the Antarctic for 17 weeks.
No one really knows what happens to seasonal viruses between outbreaks, but it is thought that they can sit dormant for long periods.
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