CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)

[isaldiri]

anonymous said:

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as I said that idea has been pushed too heavily and continously for it not to be very likely to happen unfortunately. if there was significant pushback by Cummings's all important focus groups perhaps there might have been a chance but if anything it's the other way round....

[So]

anonymous said:

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It's the same article the BBC have been tweaking all day, with no further information.

"The prime minister said the government would decide in the next few days if "tools of enforcement" were needed."

[Elysium]

anonymous said:

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It's absolutely crazy.

I am reminded of the film Idiocracy.

[johnboy1975]

Elysium said:

johnboy1975 said:

Elysium said:

I simply do not believe that the majority want masks to be compulsory. 95% of the people I see are not wearing them.

I'm not a mask fan, but that's not a fair argument. Why should people put up with the discomfort of a mask plus the stigma of looking like a loon, to protect other people when those other people don't show you the same courtesy in return? At least if its mandated everyone is uncomfortable, and everyone looks like a loon

That makes no sense to me at all.

If there is so little belief in the importance of masks that those in favour of them cannot be arsed to wear them voluntarily, then we should not be even considering making them a legal requirement.

Masks don't protect you, they protect other people. So why should you protect other people, when they are not protecting you? If they are mandated, everyone protects everyone else.

I'd have to see some pretty damning evidence that asymptomatic transmission is rife in the community to support compulsory mask wearing. Which given we are at 1/3900 infected currently and asymptomatic transmission hasn't been proved to any large extent, it won't be.

I said earlier it was (yet another?) case of the right measure at the wrong time. Whether its the right measure is debatable. Whether its the wrong time surely isn't?

[Elysium]

isaldiri said:

anonymous said:

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as I said that idea has been pushed too heavily and continously for it not to be very likely to happen unfortunately. if there was significant pushback by Cummings's all important focus groups perhaps there might have been a chance but if anything it's the other way round....

I am so annoyed that I placed any significance on the comments of that snivelling little weasel Gove.

Lying pricks the lot of them.

[Elysium]

johnboy1975 said:

Elysium said:

johnboy1975 said:

Elysium said:

I simply do not believe that the majority want masks to be compulsory. 95% of the people I see are not wearing them.

I'm not a mask fan, but that's not a fair argument. Why should people put up with the discomfort of a mask plus the stigma of looking like a loon, to protect other people when those other people don't show you the same courtesy in return? At least if its mandated everyone is uncomfortable, and everyone looks like a loon

That makes no sense to me at all.

If there is so little belief in the importance of masks that those in favour of them cannot be arsed to wear them voluntarily, then we should not be even considering making them a legal requirement.

Masks don't protect you, they protect other people. So why should you protect other people, when they are not protecting you? If they are mandated, everyone protects everyone else.

I'd have to see some pretty damning evidence that asymptomatic transmission is rife in the community to support compulsory mask wearing. Which given we are at 1/3900 infected currently and asymptomatic transmission hasn't been proved to any large extent, it won't be.

I said earlier it was (yet another?) case of the right measure at the wrong time. Whether its the right measure is debatable. Whether its the wrong time surely isn't?

Because the argument is that we should be socially responsible.

"I wear a mask to protect you" and all that good stuff.

So we are saying that a large number of people believe mask wearing is a necessary step, but they can't be bothered to act unless everybody else is forced to protect them first.

It is the definition of selfishness. I am shocked that people really think this way.

Meanwhile, Sweden have no lock down, no masks and next to no deaths. Its obviously the wrong measure at the wrong time.

We are completely fked as a society.

[Not-The-Messiah]

What I want to know is why the likes of Boris is going around wearing a mask? Hes had it and if hes not immune no one is and if hes not then its highly likely that a vaccine will never work.

That would mean mask wearing will need to be the norm from now on, they can do one.

[ant1973]

semisane said:

ant1973 said:

The people who wanted to be locked down now want to wear a mask.

Is that just your opinion or can it be substantiated ?

I can't find any co-extensive surveys, I'm afraid. However, is it reasonable to assume that those who do not want to be locked down would welcome wearing a mask? Unlikely, IMHO.

65% of people are in favour of masks. So in the court of public opinion, it would appear to be a winning argument. Except if the rest of just refuse to shop or change our habits in response, it's not going to be entirely successful. At some point, something is going to go pop and this nonsense will end. When? How? Dunno. But this is not our future existence.

[EddieSteadyGo]

ant1973 said:

65% of people are in favour of masks....

Is that true? Would be interested to see the polling (and the question) that determined that result.

[monkfish1]

ant1973 said:

But this is not our future existence.

Id not be so sure about that.

[grumbledoak]

monkfish1 said:

ant1973 said:

But this is not our future existence.

Id not be so sure about that.

They look to be doing a good job of setting us up for "new normal until vaccine" to me.

[Saweep]

grumbledoak said:

monkfish1 said:

ant1973 said:

But this is not our future existence.

Id not be so sure about that.

They look to be doing a good job of setting us up for "new normal until vaccine" to me.

A sports centre at a local private school (which has been charging full fees throughout) has today told everyone that they've made all the staff redundant and they won't be reopening the sports facilities till Sept 2021.

For safety of course.

[ORD]

The mask fetishists are exactly the lockdown lovers.

They’re also the same people who predicted the awful second wave that has killed me 5 times today already and ripped through the country.

They’re blistering idiots.

[Saweep]

grumbledoak said:

monkfish1 said:

ant1973 said:

But this is not our future existence.

Id not be so sure about that.

They look to be doing a good job of setting us up for "new normal until vaccine" to me.

The best bit about this whole thing is that is exactly what all the loonies were saying back in March! How we laughed...

[grumbledoak]

Saweep said:

The best bit about this whole thing is that is exactly what all the loonies were saying back in March! How we laughed...

...at me. It's not looking so funny now is it?

[BevR]

Not-The-Messiah said:

What I want to know is why the likes of Boris is going around wearing a mask? Hes had it and if hes not immune no one is and if hes not then its highly likely that a vaccine will never work.

That would mean mask wearing will need to be the norm from now on, they can do one.

He is wearing one because he has to be seen to be wearing one, perception is important. Until we find a way out of this then yes, indoor mask wearing will be the norm. I keep a clean mask next to my house keys, its goes into my pocket along with my wallet even if I am not planning on shopping, its just part of what I need to take with me just in case.

It might be strange to some on here but that does not make me feel oppressed.

[Saweep]

grumbledoak said:

Saweep said:

The best bit about this whole thing is that is exactly what all the loonies were saying back in March! How we laughed...

...at me. It's not looking so funny now is it?

It bloody isn't mate.

The whole thing is like living in a nightmare.

[Tootles the Taxi]

Not-The-Messiah said:

What I want to know is why the likes of Boris is going around wearing a mask? Hes had it and if hes not immune no one is and if hes not then its highly likely that a vaccine will never work.

That would mean mask wearing will need to be the norm from now on, they can do one.

This - if we can't become immune by getting the bloody virus, we're fooked until a vaccine comes along.

Even then, the flat-earth anti-vaxxers who'll refuse to be vaccinated will prevent effective herd immunity for the rest of us who would happily have a working vaccine administered by a short-sighted darts player with Parkinsons just to get back to a normal life.

Surely, Boris is no threat (apart from the fact that he's a monumentally incompetent sociopath in the thrall of a megalomaniac psycho Land Rover Discovery owner) and can therefore get on with his life, maybe doing some work for a change.

[Elysium]

Saweep said:

grumbledoak said:

Saweep said:

The best bit about this whole thing is that is exactly what all the loonies were saying back in March! How we laughed...

...at me. It's not looking so funny now is it?

It bloody isn't mate.

The whole thing is like living in a nightmare.

It is soul destroying.

It staggers me that we have been so willing to rip apart our society and economy in response to a virus that is not particularly dangerous. Certainly no worse than the flu pandemic of 1968.

It is mass hysteria.

And this Govt just keeps finding ways of making it worse.

[monkfish1]

BevR said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

What I want to know is why the likes of Boris is going around wearing a mask? Hes had it and if hes not immune no one is and if hes not then its highly likely that a vaccine will never work.

That would mean mask wearing will need to be the norm from now on, they can do one.

He is wearing one because he has to be seen to be wearing one, perception is important. Until we find a way out of this then yes, indoor mask wearing will be the norm. I keep a clean mask next to my house keys, its goes into my pocket along with my wallet even if I am not planning on shopping, its just part of what I need to take with me just in case.

It might be strange to some on here but that does not make me feel oppressed.

There isnt a "way" out of this.

One summises you will be wearing a mask for the rest of your life?