CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 3)
Discussion
lemmingjames said:
Garvin said:
It is madness! Having had wash your hands regularly for at least 20 seconds whilst singing happy birthday twice drummed into us, the authorities close down the very means by which you can regularly wash your hands!
Any enlightened authority would open up the loos and increase the frequency of cleaning etc. to make sure they are respectable and have a good supply of bog rolls and soap etc. Catching CV off a loo seat whilst possible does not appear to be probable and a good hand wash would sort the problem.
I know, I know, I said enlightened!!!
How big is the fine for being caught public urinating?Any enlightened authority would open up the loos and increase the frequency of cleaning etc. to make sure they are respectable and have a good supply of bog rolls and soap etc. Catching CV off a loo seat whilst possible does not appear to be probable and a good hand wash would sort the problem.
I know, I know, I said enlightened!!!
Plus it kinda forces people to not to stray to far from home, though with councils now starting to feel the pinch they'll open them soon to bring in the income for the shops = they get money
I was in town yesterday and the only facilities that were open were the one block of toilets run by the council, and those had every other urinal and sink blocked off.
Anyone spending an extended period of time, enough to catch C19, standing next to someone at a urinal is at risk of catching things other than Covid-19...
In 30 degree heat, having to queue in the blazing sun and not being able to drink water in case on needed to use toilets that weren't open, is a recipe for dehydration and calling of an ambulance in the elderly, if not others...
lemmingjames said:
alangla said:
Thought the issue wasn't the seat, but when you pulled the chain the "stuff" the previous user had deposited could become aerosolised & breathed in? Turning your back as you flush and washing your hands on exit in case it's on the door would presumably minimise the risk, but 
at the general thought of aerosolised "deposit" in the air at all.
Has there actually been any research on what sort of spread comes from a typical flush in these situations or is this another theoretical risk? Presumably urinals are unlikely to be affected by this.
Its no different from before and there has been studies, which if you read, would have you wearing adult nappies t home at the general thought of aerosolised "deposit" in the air at all.Has there actually been any research on what sort of spread comes from a typical flush in these situations or is this another theoretical risk? Presumably urinals are unlikely to be affected by this.
Biker 1 said:
How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........
You don't need to wear one now. The exceptions are lax enough as written to make it purely personal choice.https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-s...
lemmingjames said:
Biker 1 said:
How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........
Once crime kicks off and people can't be recognised, face mask use shall be removed to user choice but not necessary https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavi...
reuters said:
The other, more powerful, product is a “multi-channel” recognition system that uses “multiple surveillance cameras”.
It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
Mind you, it is sunny outside...It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
reuters said:
But the system struggles to identify people with both a mask and sunglasses, he said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
RSTurboPaul said:
lemmingjames said:
Biker 1 said:
How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........
Once crime kicks off and people can't be recognised, face mask use shall be removed to user choice but not necessary https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavi...
reuters said:
The other, more powerful, product is a “multi-channel” recognition system that uses “multiple surveillance cameras”.
It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
Mind you, it is sunny outside...It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
reuters said:
But the system struggles to identify people with both a mask and sunglasses, he said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
95% accuracy wearing a mask.
No doubt soon to be followed by the old ‘if you have nothing to hide etc’
RSTurboPaul said:
lemmingjames said:
alangla said:
Thought the issue wasn't the seat, but when you pulled the chain the "stuff" the previous user had deposited could become aerosolised & breathed in? Turning your back as you flush and washing your hands on exit in case it's on the door would presumably minimise the risk, but at the general thought of aerosolised "deposit" in the air at all.
Has there actually been any research on what sort of spread comes from a typical flush in these situations or is this another theoretical risk? Presumably urinals are unlikely to be affected by this.
Its no different from before and there has been studies, which if you read, would have you wearing adult nappies t home at the general thought of aerosolised "deposit" in the air at all.Has there actually been any research on what sort of spread comes from a typical flush in these situations or is this another theoretical risk? Presumably urinals are unlikely to be affected by this.
RSTurboPaul said:
In 30 degree heat, having to queue in the blazing sun and not being able to drink water in case on needed to use toilets that weren't open, is a recipe for dehydration and calling of an ambulance in the elderly, if not others...
I have stopped drinking water on my exercise walks around a big London park with no cover for a quick pee, although I've seen others do it. I just know I'll get caught out by some little kid.
My pee is flourescent orange when I finally get home.
eltawater said:
lemmingjames said:
On a semi personal note, and it applies for a lot on here with children, why aren't you out enjoying the sunshine with them day and night and arguing about things over and over again?
Mobile phones mean we can continue the snarky sniping even in the great outdoors 
1974nc said:
RSTurboPaul said:
lemmingjames said:
Biker 1 said:
How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........
Once crime kicks off and people can't be recognised, face mask use shall be removed to user choice but not necessary https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavi...
reuters said:
The other, more powerful, product is a “multi-channel” recognition system that uses “multiple surveillance cameras”.
It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
Mind you, it is sunny outside...It can identify everyone in a crowd of up to 30 people “within a second”, Huang says.
“When wearing a mask, the recognition rate can reach about 95%, which can ensure that most people can be identified,” Huang said, adding the success rate for people without mask is about 99.5%.
reuters said:
But the system struggles to identify people with both a mask and sunglasses, he said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
“In this situation, all of the key facial information is lost. In such cases recognition is tough,” Huang said.
95% accuracy wearing a mask.
No doubt soon to be followed by the old ‘if you have nothing to hide etc’
And that was with only 6m unmasked scans and even fewer masked scans - imagine if they used a larger database of, say, the billion people living there...
reuters said:
The Beijing-based firm said a team of 20 staff used core technology developed over the past 10 years, a sample database of about 6 million unmasked faces and a much smaller database of masked faces, to develop the technology,
Gribs said:
Biker 1 said:
How long do the PH Massive think the face mask thing will last on public transport? I need to get a train from somewhere in Devon to Gatwick mid-August; I'm praying I won't need to be muzzled for several hours...........
You don't need to wear one now. The exceptions are lax enough as written to make it purely personal choice.https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-s...
Enforcement of face coverings on public transport
You are not allowed to get on public transport if you are not wearing a face covering, unless you have a legitimate reason for not wearing one.
Transport staff may tell you not to board or ask you to get off.
If you refuse to wear a face covering, you can receive a fine from the police or Transport for London enforcement officers.
The fixed penalty notice will require you to pay £100 (reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days).
Having spent millions scaring people s
tless about the virus, they are now going to spend millions more to un-scare them stless ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8458443/M...
tless about the virus, they are now going to spend millions more to un-scare them stless ...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8458443/M...
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Having spent millions scaring people stless about the virus, they are now going to spend millions more to un-scare them stless ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8458443/M...
Meanwhile over in the USA, Texas joined Arizona today in reversing some of their relaxation of lockdown as some hospitals started to run out of ICU space. tless about the virus, they are now going to spend millions more to un-scare them stless ...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8458443/M...
Also: "coronaphobic"? Good grief.
Edited by sim72 on Thursday 25th June 14:55
Stay in Bed Instead said:
sim72 said:
Meanwhile over in the USA, Texas joined Arizona today in reversing some of their relaxation of lockdown as some hospitals started to run out of ICU space.
I guess the money is aimed at you.
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