Has the world overreacted re Covid-19
Poll: Has the world overreacted re Covid-19
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Discussion
SS2. said:
Exactly this.
The ONS has even cast doubt on its own figures because of the manner in which Covid-19 deaths have been reported, especially those from care homes.
Yes care home deaths have often been recorded as Covid-19 without a doctor even seeing them and without any test being carried out. The ONS has even cast doubt on its own figures because of the manner in which Covid-19 deaths have been reported, especially those from care homes.
Pneumonia is a frequent killer of the elderly (it carried off at least one of my grandparents) so trying to distinguish Covid-19 deaths from the usual routine deaths in a care home would be difficult.
HoHoHo said:
rjg48 said:
Jasandjules said:
LimSlip said:
Do you have some evidence that if the whole world just carried on as usual that millions wouldn't have died?
DO you have evidence they would? Evidence, not a computer guess or "research" by a team that have gotten it wrong so many times before.
Millions dead?
500,000 so far. 40,000 in the UK.
A family member works with the NHS and has said if you die and it even looks like you’ve got Covid a box is ticked and that’s your cause of death....with no testing after death so the figures are, frankly absolutely inaccurate.
IMO the number of deaths due entirely to the virus is tiny and probably no more than a couple of thousand at most and the real number of deaths with the help of Covid is thousands, but not 40,000.
Im massively in the camp that it’s been an overreaction, but I don’t think we can answer the question yet, because it’s not over. It’s right at the start.
We’ve all kicked the can down the road, probably till next Winter, but it’s still out there and will probably infect hundreds of millions more people given time.
We’ve all kicked the can down the road, probably till next Winter, but it’s still out there and will probably infect hundreds of millions more people given time.
rjg48 said:
Does he have any evidence that as many people wouldn't have died, if the Part Time PM hadn't been running the Country?
Millions dead?
500,000 so far. 40,000 in the UK.
You misunderstand, he made the assertion thus must put forth the evidence to support it.Millions dead?
500,000 so far. 40,000 in the UK.
By the way how many people have died of hunger since the start of the year compared to Covid? What about heart disease?
JagLover said:
SS2. said:
Exactly this.
The ONS has even cast doubt on its own figures because of the manner in which Covid-19 deaths have been reported, especially those from care homes.
Yes care home deaths have often been recorded as Covid-19 without a doctor even seeing them and without any test being carried out. The ONS has even cast doubt on its own figures because of the manner in which Covid-19 deaths have been reported, especially those from care homes.
Pneumonia is a frequent killer of the elderly (it carried off at least one of my grandparents) so trying to distinguish Covid-19 deaths from the usual routine deaths in a care home would be difficult.
"I suppose most people would be somewhat surprised to know that the cause of death, as written on death certificates, is often little more than an educated guess. Most people die when they are old, often over eighty. A post-mortem is very rarely carried out...
...Then, along comes COVID-19, and many of the rules – such as they were – went straight out of the window. At one point, it was even suggested that relatives could fill in death certificates if no-one else was available. Though I am not sure this ever happened...
...I do know that other doctors put down COVID on anyone who died from early March onwards. I didn’t. What can be made of the statistics created from data like these? And does it matter?..."
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
I know plenty of people in the NHS and have never heard of figures being fudged for COVID-19.
bigandclever said:
HoHoHo said:
A family member works with the NHS and has said if you die and it even looks like you’ve got Covid a box is ticked and that’s your cause of death.
Well they’re wrong. What do they do with the NHS, fill the vending machines?Teddy Lop said:
ATG said:
Evidence to support the statement that virologists panic about viruses, please.
Isn't it just a fraction more likely that virologists have informed opinions about viruses?
As an electrician do you panic about electrocution? Do you panic about electrical fires?
yes, I do insofar as I anticipate the worst case scenarios. I advise and in some cases urge people on the benefits of going over and above the basic minimum requirements. For example, you don't want the failure-prone garden lighting on the same sensitive circuit breaker as your fridge freezer, but theres no reg to say you can't. I can tell you where extra money on good quality is worth the investment and where not to bother.Isn't it just a fraction more likely that virologists have informed opinions about viruses?
As an electrician do you panic about electrocution? Do you panic about electrical fires?
Like any person with a depth of knowledge in a specialised field and a pride in my work I don't want to deliver the absolute minimal. Many people, however, don't want to spend a penny more than they have to, so yes there are similarities between me and a virologist who wants more funding and gravitas.
I've seen and in many cases put right the work of those you might call far more optimistic than I. You're welcome to that approach...
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
I know plenty of people in the NHS and have never heard of figures being fudged for COVID-19.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/05/31/covid-dea...
However it seems to echo what I’ve been told, perhaps he’s making it up as well?
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
HoHoHo said:
robemcdonald said:
As a matter of interest what does your family member do in the NHS?
PRNot exactly good PR is it?
Also not really in a position to know I wouldn’t have thought.
It’s not about being good PR, it’s about someone being in a position to talk to those who are with knowledge.
I know plenty of people in the NHS and have never heard of figures being fudged for COVID-19.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/05/31/covid-dea...
However it seems to echo what I’ve been told, perhaps he’s making it up as well?
We will soon know how effective the lockdown has been though. Let’s see f there is a spike in new cases in the next few weeks.
I do think if there was any evidence of the NHS fiddling the numbers DC would be on it like a tramp on chips.
This is pure speculation so might be a load of old cock...
I think the Chinese and WHO told the world there was a fairly minor flu like virus kicking about and the world thought ok no big problem.
Then a few people started to die from it world wide. The governments of the world start to think have we been told the whole truth by the Chinese?
Then Iran an Italy happens, “the world” thinks WTF we have no real idea what this thing is doing we have to take extreme actions to prevent huge casualties.
I think the Chinese and WHO told the world there was a fairly minor flu like virus kicking about and the world thought ok no big problem.
Then a few people started to die from it world wide. The governments of the world start to think have we been told the whole truth by the Chinese?
Then Iran an Italy happens, “the world” thinks WTF we have no real idea what this thing is doing we have to take extreme actions to prevent huge casualties.
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