Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.

[VeeDubBigBird]

wjb said:

I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....

Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?

Genuine question.

Yes i would, I used to be a delivery driver in Airdrie where i lived, with a Yellow Golf (hence the username) and was stopped on several occasions every night i worked. I never got worked up or angry. This went on for months until eventually i was on first name terms with some of the officers.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

I suspect this is a simple case of an arse (member of the public) meeting an arse (Met Police officers) and the situation being escalated by all parties by being complete arses.
Has the makings of yet another YouTube video really.

[Louis Balfour]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

I suspect this is a simple case of an arse (member of the public) meeting an arse (Met Police officers) and the situation being escalated by all parties by being complete arses.
Has the makings of yet another YouTube video really.

With that many arses it has the makings of a Pornhub video.

[wjb]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

wjb said:

I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....

Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?

Genuine question.

See, my post is quite relevant, as it was a response to this.

Thought I'd quoted it. Obviously didn't.

[Earthdweller]

L1OFF said:

Earthdweller said:

L1OFF said:

Earthdweller said:

L1OFF said:

It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.

Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23

Hardly,

They were stopped by a TSG unit.

The standard complement of a carrier is One Sergeant and Seven PC’s

One in three Carriers also carries an Inspector

Sorry I don't understand your comment.

Simply put .. there would have been 8 or 9 officers on that police vehicle

yes I know that, its why I said its not a normal stop.

Yes it is ... that’s what the TSG do

[theplayingmantis]

Dracoro said:

wjb said:

I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....

Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?

Genuine question.

Everyone has their own response to this, however in this example it's irrelevant as the woman in the car stated: "I've never had to experience anything like this"

And begs the question what WJB wants to happen? should BAME people not be stopped at all?

[fido]

Dracoro said:

wjb said:

I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....

Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?

Genuine question.

Everyone has their own response to this, however in this example it's irrelevant as the woman in the car stated: "I've never had to experience anything like this"

Well indeed. I've been stopped a few times. Each time leaving a pub / music venue / strip bar at night - the latter wasn't that friendly but i accepted i might have crossed an amber light, had a tiny bit of alcohol in me, and that was that .. sounds like she was just being a Karen(Bianca?) and thus made the whole process alot longer.

[Johnnytheboy]

Troubleatmill said:

Given the car had illegally tinted windows....( so you can't see the people in the car )... how did our protagonist get to the point of "We were stopped because we are black!'

That was my first thought!

[Bigends]

Johnnytheboy said:

Troubleatmill said:

Given the car had illegally tinted windows....( so you can't see the people in the car )... how did our protagonist get to the point of "We were stopped because we are black!'

That was my first thought!

Factory tints apparently

[Derek Smith]

mmm-five said:

How many times is too many?

I've been stopped about 50 times in 30 years of driving - sometimes I knew exactly why (speeding, showing off, taking a roundabout too quick even though I was within the speed limit, illegal tints on an M5 I'd recently bought), sometimes I didn't (once was simply because the DLVA had my car down as the wrong colour - it wasn't 'wrong' just too dark to see properly at night).

Have I been pissed off for being stopped for 'no reason'? Yes!

Have I refused to get out of the car, mouthed off, shoved a camera in someone's face, and caused a scene at the side of the road? No!

I always wonder if it was just because I'm driving a 'fancy' car in a rough part of Liverpool at odd hours, or if it's because I'm white!

I used to be a patrol PC and, if I had nothing else to do, would look for reasons to stop vehicles. If I couldn't find one that looked worth a stop, I'd stop one in any case, as I was allowed to do in law. It seemed reasonable to me as I was being paid to detect and prevent crime and just standing around didn't seem to cut it. It's generally accepted that criminals don't all buy the same type of vehicles, don't always paint the windows black, don't always drive like idiots, don't always have bits of their car hanging off. For successful criminals, it's just the reverse.

I've been challenged in magistrates' court a couple of times as to why I stopped a particular vehicle, and I've said, both times, that it seemed worth a stop; my justification being a fairly high arrest/report rate. It never when any further.

When the accusations of racial profiling came about, I was a PC in Sussex. If I hadn't seen a car worth stopping, I would stop the third blue/red/green car that came towards me. It was, as near as possible, a random stop, and I'd used the same reasoning some years before in the City of London.

People drive on roads by permission and one should check their authorisation otherwise these will get away with it.

As an aside, if I had the opportunity, I would always stop a motorcycle two-up. I always, but always, which means every time I stopped a two-up bike, apart from the times they did a runner, I got offences. Although I didn't keep figures, I'd be surprised if the arrest percentage was less than 30%.

I've allowed people to moan at me, to suggest I picked on them for a particular reason, or just throw a strop. I don't mind. If they use obscene language, they get a cease and desist from me if there's anyone around, and if there's not, I generally ask whom they are trying to impress.

[Johnnytheboy]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The link in the OP's post.

[wjb]

theplayingmantis said:

And begs the question what WJB wants to happen? should BAME people not be stopped at all?

No, of course not, but being treated like a human being during the stop would be a start.

[wjb]

I've noticed that everyone on here who has said "I've been stopped x amount of times" it's always at night.

[theplayingmantis]

wjb said:

theplayingmantis said:

And begs the question what WJB wants to happen? should BAME people not be stopped at all?

No, of course not, but being treated like a human being during the stop would be a start.

of course the police should do that as a matter of course, and where they dont should be highlighted, so long as the person being pulled over behaves in the same manner.

[mmm-five]

wjb said:

I've noticed that everyone on here who has said "I've been stopped x amount of times" it's always at night.

Some of my many stops have been at night, but not the majority.

Or are you trying to imply that it's harder for the police to identify a driver as a white person at night to give them a 'pass'?

[wjb]

mmm-five said:

Some of my many stops have been at night, but not the majority.

Or are you trying to imply that it's harder for the police to identify a driver as a white person at night to give them a 'pass'?

No, I'm suggesting all those who bang on about getting stopped at night, didn't/don't get stopped during the day.

[wjb]

theplayingmantis said:

of course the police should do that as a matter of course, and where they dont should be highlighted, so long as the person being pulled over behaves in the same manner.

I've always behaved when stopped, made no difference really. Still got spoken to like st.

[mmm-five]

Derek Smith said:

I've allowed people to moan at me, to suggest I picked on them for a particular reason, or just throw a strop. I don't mind. If they use obscene language, they get a cease and desist from me if there's anyone around, and if there's not, I generally ask whom they are trying to impress.

I've just never seen the reason to have a moan or start shouting at the person stopping me (even when I thought I'd been stopped for no reason), as I realised early on that it'd just cause more trouble for me and I'd be stuck at the roadside or in the back of the (usually overly-warm) police car for longer than necessary.

BUT I'm white, half English/Welsh/Irish , middle-aged now, and obviously not part of the victimised minorities, so can't appreciate what others might be going through.

[wjb]

Unbelievable, yet believable.

Edited by chris.mod on Monday 6th July 20:18

[mmm-five]

wjb said:

No, I'm suggesting all those who bang on about getting stopped at night, didn't/don't get stopped during the day.

I was more stupid during the day than the night unfortunately.

Most night stops were usually warning for creeping above the speed limit (a good excuse to stop to check details). Day stops were for err using the car's full abilities up slip-roads and around roundabouts and included the off drink/drug tests, or just to check details (usually with reason like a similar car seen doing something dodgy)!

I suppose I'm doing more than average annual mileage (25,000+), and I'm not necessarily in the same car, in the same area each time as my work moves around - so got no time to become a known 'regular'.

Edited by mmm-five on Monday 6th July 17:14