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coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
techguyone said:
coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
Jazzy Jag said:
techguyone said:
coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
Jazzy Jag said:
techguyone said:
coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
Standard tyre levers these days, not knives.
Greendubber said:
Jazzy Jag said:
techguyone said:
coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
Standard tyre levers these days, not knives.
Their famous moto is " That's not a tyre changer, This is a tyre changer..."
Bigends said:
Crown Courts so £5,000-£10,000 for representation on a not guilty plea.That will almost certainly be legal aid money.
Interesting article in the Spectator the other day: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/i-admit-it-i-g...
Article said:
The apology made big broadcast news and was also the top line from her appearance in newspaper reports. Of course, it fitted with the preferred media narrative of a force that routinely picks on people because of the colour of their skin.
This was certainly the drift of several committee members, including its chair Yvette Cooper, when questioning Ms Dick about the apparently disproportionate use of stop and search against black people in the capital.
But the Commissioner was having none of it.
This was certainly the drift of several committee members, including its chair Yvette Cooper, when questioning Ms Dick about the apparently disproportionate use of stop and search against black people in the capital.
But the Commissioner was having none of it.
PC Dick said:
Nationally – you probably know the figures – you are four times more likely to be a victim of homicide if you are black and eight time more likely to be a perpetrator.
The overlap with my key metric, which is knife injuries for under 25s, which we have been reducing for the last two years and into this year, shows enormous disproportionality in the way if affects our young black men as victims and, I am sorry to say, as perpetrators. That is horrible. For knife robbery, gangs, county lines, line holders: hugely disproportionate.
Some of the people you are talking about upon whom nothing has been found [during a stop and are very violent repeat offenders who happen not to have anything there and then. Some of them have stashed it. They have given it to the other boy or whatever.
The overlap with my key metric, which is knife injuries for under 25s, which we have been reducing for the last two years and into this year, shows enormous disproportionality in the way if affects our young black men as victims and, I am sorry to say, as perpetrators. That is horrible. For knife robbery, gangs, county lines, line holders: hugely disproportionate.
Some of the people you are talking about upon whom nothing has been found [during a stop and are very violent repeat offenders who happen not to have anything there and then. Some of them have stashed it. They have given it to the other boy or whatever.
Article said:
But Ms Dick was not finished, not by a long chalk. In her tour de force testimony she variously revealed that: Black Lives Matter protesters had subjected her officers to 'constant abuse all day long', with her black officers particularly picked on; that the higher levels of stop and search she has implemented have succeeded in driving down violent crime; that many affected communities support more stop and search (paraphrasing black mothers, she said: 'I do not care if my son gets stopped and searched ten times because I want him not to be carrying a knife. I want him not to be at risk.').
She also faced Diane Abbott saying that young people should not be stopped and searched at all.
Paints a somewhat different picture.She also faced Diane Abbott saying that young people should not be stopped and searched at all.
Having dipped into this thread on and off since it started for a page or two at a time, the biggest eye-opener by far for me was the piece someone posted from the Spectator that detailed a report about stop and search statistics as based on the proportion of persons available to actually stop. If there was any sanity in the world, this would be raised without fail every time the subject of discrimination in this area came up in the news, but it's good to see at least that the top brass aren't afraid to speak the truth about it when questioned by MPs.
anonymoususer said:
I'm not sure that counts as "wriggling". Sounds pretty sensible to me.markjmd said:
Having dipped into this thread on and off since it started for a page or two at a time, the biggest eye-opener by far for me was the piece someone posted from the Spectator that detailed a report about stop and search statistics as based on the proportion of persons available to actually stop. If there was any sanity in the world, this would be raised without fail every time the subject of discrimination in this area came up in the news, but it's good to see at least that the top brass aren't afraid to speak the truth about it when questioned by MPs.
It was me that posted the Home Office researchUnfortunately the truth doesn’t fit with the narrative
When it is raised, it is ignored
The truth is actually quite enlightening if you can get through the maze to get to it
J4CKO said:
Playing devils advocate here but funny how its young males being stopped.
Nobody ever says its sexist ?
Nobody ever says it is discrimination based on their age ?
We've all established that old white ladies don't commit the sort of crimes which you are likely to be stopped under suspicion of while walking the streets. However they occupy the same areas and walk the same streets as the youths that do, even at the same time of day.Nobody ever says its sexist ?
Nobody ever says it is discrimination based on their age ?
The figures show that the number of successful stops i.e. where an offence is found to have been committed are equal across ethnicities.
But profiling is bad. I don't get it either.
Greendubber said:
Jazzy Jag said:
techguyone said:
coolg said:
XCP said:
Greendubber said:
XCP said:
Might be an obvious question, but where was the bike?
Maybe he left it at the truth telling competition he'd just won. Caveat, for regular/mtb tyred bikes, no idea if racing bicycles need different equipment.
Standard tyre levers these days, not knives.
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R Mutt said:
We've all established that old white ladies don't commit the sort of crimes which you are likely to be stopped under suspicion of while walking the streets. However they occupy the same areas and walk the same streets as the youths that do, even at the same time of day.
The figures show that the number of successful stops i.e. where an offence is found to have been committed are equal across ethnicities.
But profiling is bad. I don't get it either.
Actually they don’t, resident populations and available populations vary massively as do demographics The figures show that the number of successful stops i.e. where an offence is found to have been committed are equal across ethnicities.
But profiling is bad. I don't get it either.
Statistically little old ladies ( of any race ) are highly unlikely to be on the streets in high crime areas at all, let alone at times offences are being committed .... nor are they likely to fit the profile of offenders
I think the last time an old lady battered someone it was Ronnie Barker
Stop and search is targeted, it has to be to be effective
Earthdweller said:
Actually they don’t, resident populations and available populations vary massively as do demographics
Statistically little old ladies ( of any race ) are highly unlikely to be on the streets in high crime areas at all, let alone at times offences are being committed .... nor are they likely to fit the profile of offenders
I think the last time an old lady battered someone it was Ronnie Barker
Stop and search is targeted, it has to be to be effective
I read the article you posted by Waddington, i found little on the internet to suggest he was a Nazi, so perhaps his research was true.....Statistically little old ladies ( of any race ) are highly unlikely to be on the streets in high crime areas at all, let alone at times offences are being committed .... nor are they likely to fit the profile of offenders
I think the last time an old lady battered someone it was Ronnie Barker
Stop and search is targeted, it has to be to be effective
In an area with a large black population and a high level of street and drug crime, the police can only stop the people that are out on the streets.
Earthdweller said:
R Mutt said:
We've all established that old white ladies don't commit the sort of crimes which you are likely to be stopped under suspicion of while walking the streets. However they occupy the same areas and walk the same streets as the youths that do, even at the same time of day.
The figures show that the number of successful stops i.e. where an offence is found to have been committed are equal across ethnicities.
But profiling is bad. I don't get it either.
Actually they don’t, resident populations and available populations vary massively as do demographics The figures show that the number of successful stops i.e. where an offence is found to have been committed are equal across ethnicities.
But profiling is bad. I don't get it either.
Statistically little old ladies ( of any race ) are highly unlikely to be on the streets in high crime areas at all, let alone at times offences are being committed .... nor are they likely to fit the profile of offenders
I think the last time an old lady battered someone it was Ronnie Barker
Stop and search is targeted, it has to be to be effective
Of course in rural areas you'll stand out if you're not white, but that one black person who drives through and get's pulled is an obviously case of profiling (someone who isn't local) yet isn't going to make a dent on the statistics. Presumably most the crime there is committed by whites including Travellers, (who aren't local either).
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