Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.
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R Mutt said:
Surely you have to use a diverse city as a sample set otherwise you can't compare demographics in any meaningful way. London is on average 15% over 65s and on the whole higher crime than a lot of the country.
Of course in rural areas you'll stand out if you're not white, but that one black person who drives through and get's pulled is an obviously case of profiling (someone who isn't local) yet isn't going to make a dent on the statistics. Presumably most the crime there is committed by whites including Travellers, (who aren't local either).
London is then itself broken up into different areas with different ethnic make ups, and different amounts of street crime and different levels of poverty.Of course in rural areas you'll stand out if you're not white, but that one black person who drives through and get's pulled is an obviously case of profiling (someone who isn't local) yet isn't going to make a dent on the statistics. Presumably most the crime there is committed by whites including Travellers, (who aren't local either).
The one black person in a rural county, it would depend on how many total stops there were, if there were 8 or more stops then that is not untoward.
Cumbria has a disproportionately high number of BAME stops, but when you eliminate tip offs and intelligence, repeat offenders for county lines drug gangs the actual out of the blue policeman's hunch type stops they are not significantly over represented.
R Mutt said:
Surely you have to use a diverse city as a sample set otherwise you can't compare demographics in any meaningful way. London is on average 15% over 65s and on the whole higher crime than a lot of the country.
Of course in rural areas you'll stand out if you're not white, but that one black person who drives through and get's pulled is an obviously case of profiling (someone who isn't local) yet isn't going to make a dent on the statistics. Presumably most the crime there is committed by whites including Travellers, (who aren't local either).
London is 32 Boroughs they are not all diverse multicultural high crime melting pots Of course in rural areas you'll stand out if you're not white, but that one black person who drives through and get's pulled is an obviously case of profiling (someone who isn't local) yet isn't going to make a dent on the statistics. Presumably most the crime there is committed by whites including Travellers, (who aren't local either).
Even within “high crime” boroughs their are hot spots of crime and other areas with very low crime
Take Haringey, it goes from the extreme of South Tottenham with serious social deprivation and high crime to leafy Highgate village home to multi millionaires and celebrities, with very little crime all within a few miles
The demographics and age profiles will be completely different
Some London boroughs have much lower crime levels than comparable provincial urban areas
The 15% over 65’s will not be evenly spread across the city. The age profile in leafy wealthy Richmond will be considerably different to Newham as an example.
Rural areas and provincial urban towns are blighted with travelling criminals particularly those within easy reach of cities.
Lancashire and Cheshire suffer considerably from Mancunian and Liverpudlian gangs with high levels of car theft and burglary. Birmingham has the same effect on adjoining areas
The role of the Police is to prevent crime and detect it. It is only natural, and quite right, that they are active counteracting criminals from outside the area
We then go back to the fact that stop and search is targeted to areas where crime is high
That could be West Green Road in Tottenham or it could be a beautiful rural village in the Cotswolds that has had 15 cars stolen in burglaries In the last week
You’ve over simplified it, it’s a really complex issue
anonymous said:
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Perhaps she watched police interceptors the other day?First 3 incidents were all failure to stop. Cars were rammed, windows were smashed, people were cuffed, someone got their neck knelt on. There was no public outcry, no apologies, and no talk of compensation.
98elise said:
anonymous said:
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Perhaps she watched police interceptors the other day?First 3 incidents were all failure to stop. Cars were rammed, windows were smashed, people were cuffed, someone got their neck knelt on. There was no public outcry, no apologies, and no talk of compensation.
One thing that stuck with me from watching it was coppers pointing out what not to do and what based on their experience they find suspicious, yet when these behaviours are used as the basis for a stop it is deemed an excuse for racism/ racial profiling and an oppressive demand to comply with officers. Of course many will suggest the offence was 'driving while black' etc conveniently ignoring that the police will stop white boy racers/ 'chavs' on the same grounds.
Again, we did all this on the BLM thread and the argument then reverts to the notion of not having to comply because you're annoyed you've been stopped frequently.
Looking at the percentage of stops which lead to a charge, which is equal across ethnic groups, whatever police are doing seems to work yet when they pull an innocent black person over it's held up an as example of systematic racism (and less frequently where people are able to remove emotion, poor policing).
Is it?
Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 23 July 12:32
g4ry13 said:
Another story: link
Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
Earlier in the week a 14 year old was shot what are the police supposed to do When a report is made of a youth with a gun ?Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
No mention of a father although they have the same surname so maybe.
coolg said:
Earlier in the week a 14 year old was shot what are the police supposed to do When a report is made of a youth with a gun ?
No mention of a father although they have the same surname so maybe.
I don't have an issue with the Police responding to reports of someone with a gun.No mention of a father although they have the same surname so maybe.
Do they respond differently based on whether the kid has a father in the house whilst he's playing with his toy gun?
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hstewie said:
"The IOPC said the five officers were under investigation for misconduct. It stressed this did not mean disciplinary charges would follow."hstewie said:g4ry13 said:
Another story: link
Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
It's being referred back in time? Interesting.Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
The mother is quoted thus: "I knew none of us were safe because if they got spooked or felt threatened they're going to shoot us and when one starts shooting they all start." Do people REALLY and truly believe this is how it actually happens in England?
Pothole said:
It's being referred back in time? Interesting.
The mother is quoted thus: "I knew none of us were safe because if they got spooked or felt threatened they're going to shoot us and when one starts shooting they all start." Do people REALLY and truly believe this is how it actually happens in England?
I didn't understand the story here at the time if you take it at face value which is often tricky when it's in the Mail.The mother is quoted thus: "I knew none of us were safe because if they got spooked or felt threatened they're going to shoot us and when one starts shooting they all start." Do people REALLY and truly believe this is how it actually happens in England?
If you have what looks like a pretty convincing gun I don't know what you expect the Police to do?
All about the police and nothing about the real issue of gun violence in the community.
This isn’t a chicken and egg situation. The reason the police act on information like this is because of the huge issue they’re faced with daily.
Instead of whinging about the police she should focus on the cause.
This isn’t a chicken and egg situation. The reason the police act on information like this is because of the huge issue they’re faced with daily.
Instead of whinging about the police she should focus on the cause.
Pothole said:
g4ry13 said:
Another story: link
Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
It's being referred back in time? Interesting.Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
The mother is quoted thus: "I knew none of us were safe because if they got spooked or felt threatened they're going to shoot us and when one starts shooting they all start." Do people REALLY and truly believe this is how it actually happens in England?
stitched said:
Pothole said:
g4ry13 said:
Another story: link
Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
It's being referred back in time? Interesting.Police have apologised for doing their job for some reason and it's being referred to the IPCC
The mother is quoted thus: "I knew none of us were safe because if they got spooked or felt threatened they're going to shoot us and when one starts shooting they all start." Do people REALLY and truly believe this is how it actually happens in England?
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