CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back
Discussion
Hoofy said:
breamster said:
It is not always milder for younger people. That is very complacent. My wife, early 40s with no underlying health issues, not overweight and very fit contracted covid. She had weeks in bed and was the most ill I have ever seen her. Prior to covid she regularly ran and swam many Kms. She now has no fitness and is out of breath going up the stairs. She has had secondary pneumonia caused by covid. The damage to her lungs is suspected to be long term possibly permanent.
If there is a vaccine being made available I will gladly accept it.
If there is a vaccine being made available I will gladly accept it.
I know a couple of people who seem to be suffering long term with it.
Someone posted this on here earlier this week: https://news.sky.com/story/long-term-covid-warning...
"Dr Jake Suett, 31, first developed symptoms on 20 March and, despite having no underlying health conditions, is still unwell."
I want a National Health Service, I don't want it to become National Covid Service again.
breamster said:
It is not always milder for younger people. That is very complacent. My wife, early 40s with no underlying health issues, not overweight and very fit contracted covid. She had weeks in bed and was the most ill I have ever seen her. Prior to covid she regularly ran and swam many Kms. She now has no fitness and is out of breath going up the stairs. She has had secondary pneumonia caused by covid. The damage to her lungs is suspected to be long term possibly permanent.
We focus far too much on the deaths when concluding that it's only a danger to frail elderly people.otolith said:
You don't know the long term risks of covid-19 either, but you seem very sure that they can't be worse than the vaccine.
This. The pro-mass-virus-spread crowd seem happy enough to have a brand new untested virus in their bodies (where the known effects are horrific enough, let alone the side effects we don't know about yet!) but not a tested vaccine with the best scientists in the world working on it standing on the shoulders of successful and safe vaccines that have come before it.Because social media told them it will have some scary ingredients in it and something about Bill Gates.
mx5nut said:
How much of the unemployment rate in the US is people fired after throwing tantrums in public because of posts they read on social media that made them angry?
How long until it sinks in that doing stupid things in front of camera can lead to unemployment? There has been so many cases lately that it should be clear to anyone what end result will be yet people keep on behaving badly.
grumbledoak said:
Gadgetmac said:
Yes, that's why the hospitals in Europe were overwhelmed by Coronavirus cases this year yet this never happens with the flu.
Milder than the flu? Its certainly more deadly than the flu and it's people like you spreading this rubbish online that give social media a bad name.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/a...
And any vaccine will have been tested adequately just as any vaccine is before release to the public. You imply we could all be fallng down in the street stricken with complications from an untested one jab vaccine which is again anti vaxxer ignorance.
And whilst the risks of ibuprofen are slight they exist.
Nope. Quadruple down! Milder than the flu? Its certainly more deadly than the flu and it's people like you spreading this rubbish online that give social media a bad name.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/a...
And any vaccine will have been tested adequately just as any vaccine is before release to the public. You imply we could all be fallng down in the street stricken with complications from an untested one jab vaccine which is again anti vaxxer ignorance.
And whilst the risks of ibuprofen are slight they exist.
Hospitals are routinely overwhelmed by the flu. It seldom makes the headlines but you'll find the news reports if you look.
COVID-19 is less lethal for the young and healthy than the flu. The statistics are quite clear. Check them yourself.
Long term vaccine risks cannot be discovered by short term trials. Even short term risks cannot be ascertained by small trials. A COVID-19 vaccine given to everyone with the same Narcolepsy risk as Pandemrix in 2009 would create over 45,000 brain damaged people.
The slight risks of Ibuprofen do exist. That is not the same as them being high probability, or unknown. We know this from long term, widespread use. Stop me if I am going too fast for you.
Want some statistics for whether covid is or isn’t more dangerous in the general population than the flu?
Here, try hundreds of them, simply google “is covid more dangerous than flu”.
Stop me if I’m going to fast for you.
The problem with people like you is that you have a set mindset...like climate change deniers and nothing is going to alter your beliefs.
grumbledoak said:
Hospitals are routinely overwhelmed by the flu. It seldom makes the headlines but you'll find the news reports if you look.
This is exceptionally misleading. Hospitals frequently become full to near capacity in the winter and therefore have to work overtime to try to safely discharge patients back into the community. This is entirely different to the threat that COVID posed. Intensive care beds being rationed to the point where people with serious treatable illnesses of any cause might have instead been left to inevitably die due to lack of ICU beds was a whisker away from happening in several London hospitals according a number of my hospital physician friends/colleagues back in April. This DID happen in Lombardy. It has never happened because of the ‘flu.
Of course, it’s possible that randomers reading news reports know more than those actually dealing with the problem. It seems unlikely.
Edited by DeWar on Thursday 9th July 10:16
DeWar said:
grumbledoak said:
Hospitals are routinely overwhelmed by the flu. It seldom makes the headlines but you'll find the news reports if you look.
This is exceptionally misleading. Hospitals frequently become full to near capacity in the winter and therefore have to work overtime to try to safely discharge patients back into the community. This is entirely different to the threat that COVID posed. Intensive care beds being rationed to the point where people with serious treatable illnesses of any cause might have instead been left to inevitably die due to lack of ICU beds was a whisker away from happening in several London hospitals according a number of my hospital physician friends/colleagues back in April. This DID happen in Lombardy. It has never happened because of a ‘flu pandemic.
Of course, it’s possible that randomers reading news reports know more than those actually dealing with the problem. It seems unlikely.
But people like GO will try to tell us that it’s just another year.
These people are dangerous.
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
anonymous said:
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We dont know this with any certainty. We do have evidence that CV19 can attack the brain. We dont know what the long term effects are on children.
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.Gadgetmac said:
I have a serious long term illness that means I see a consultant 4 times a year. This year all appointments have been cancelled thus far. I alao still can’t get to see a dentist as they are only seeing emergencies.
But people like GO will try to tell us that it’s just another year.
These people are dangerous.
Lots of cancer patients are in a similar boat. We could be on track to have more cancer deaths caused by our COVID-19 response than deaths from COVID-19. Cancer alone.But people like GO will try to tell us that it’s just another year.
These people are dangerous.
Putting words in my mouth is just lame.
What we need is objective data-based policy. There is plenty of information in the existing literature on pandemic measures and their effectiveness. We have disregarded all of it in favour of hysterical fear mongering. That is dangerous.
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
Now add those who have suffered organ damage, strokes etc.
Then subtract suicides...Another social media myth pushed by the pro-Covid-spread brigade.
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
WinstonWolf said:
Deaths we know about. Damage to other organs in bad cases we know about. Brain damage subtle or otherwise we dont know about. We do know that this virus can attack the brain.OK, how many under 40's have committed suicide as a direct cause of CV19? And why keep moving the goalposts? You wanted to compare the relative risk of lightning and CV19. And without getting herd immunity why even focus on the under 40's when all those will be over 40 eventually if the disease is still around it can get you later.
mx5nut said:
WinstonWolf said:
s2art said:
Now add those who have suffered organ damage, strokes etc.
Then subtract suicides...Another social media myth pushed by the pro-Covid-spread brigade.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-53347041/coronavi...
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