CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back

[Woody John]

mx5nut said:

DeWar said:

mx5nut said:

Social media misinformation campaigns have really done a number on people like this guy.

Imagine getting so angry, in public, at an elderly lady, because you were asked to put a little piece of fabric over your face for a few minutes to avoid spreading a deadly illness.

Pathetic.

https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/12803329296...

It happened in Florida, where you can carry a concealed gun and where, as that Zimmerman dude proved, you can shoot someone if you FEEL THREATENED!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/costco-dan-fired-insu...

Now fired from his job.

How much of the unemployment rate in the US is people fired after throwing tantrums in public because of posts they read on social media that made them angry?

Face coverings do not stop spread of flu. They do however restrict your breathing and make you re-inhale exhaust fumes damaging your health.

[eldar]

grumbledoak said:

Nope. Quadruple down!

Hospitals are routinely overwhelmed by the flu. It seldom makes the headlines but you'll find the news reports if you look.

COVID-19 is less lethal for the young and healthy than the flu. The statistics are quite clear. Check them yourself.

Long term vaccine risks cannot be discovered by short term trials. Even short term risks cannot be ascertained by small trials. A COVID-19 vaccine given to everyone with the same Narcolepsy risk as Pandemrix in 2009 would create over 45,000 brain damaged people.

The slight risks of Ibuprofen do exist. That is not the same as them being high probability, or unknown. We know this from long term, widespread use. Stop me if I am going too fast for you.

So far, half a million have died, and that figure is increasing. How many more deaths would you be comfortable with?

[hidetheelephants]

s2art said:

It seems to be forgotten that its not just for an individual to be protected, its achieving herd immunity. No point in vaccinating a small percentage of the population. Its why all kids should get MMR jabs, it minimises the chances of adults catching mumps later in life which is serious. Same for CV19, even if a jab is found it doesnt mean that resistance will be good in old age as the immune system weakens. So if you want to protect your parents/grandparents, get the jab.

Indeed, the "I'm young, fit and healthy, what need do I have for this?" brigade are as ignorant as the anti-vaxxers.

Derek Smith said:

I take Private Eye. Their response to the MMR conspiracy theorists was a shambles. It's not some red top. It was embarrassing for me to be seen carrying a copy. I cancelled my regular copy saved at a local newsagent. It's not only dotty celebrities who drink their own urine who were pushing the scare stories. I take New Scientist and have Science Focus on Readly, yet I wondered when I read the nonsense on PE whether I had fallen for a scam.

They did apologise; Wakefield is a very successful conman who managed to hoodwink the medical establishment for an extended period before his fraudulent work caught up with him.

WinstonWolf said:

PorkInsider said:

xjay1337 said:

My individual risk to Covid is statistically speaking, 0.

I'll hazard a guess that statistics might be your strongest suit.

You've got to shove the decimal point quite a few places that way > until he's wrong

The last number I saw you have a 1 in 67,000 chance of dying from Covid if you're under 45.

There are plenty of negative outcomes from CV19 infection that don't involve dying.

Vanden Saab said:

Oakey said:

Vanden Saab said:

Ah OK you are one of those who thinks Covid will disappear never to be seen again.

I'm with you, forget these naysayers. It's only July and I've already had smallpox twice this year

Yes it only took 150 years to eliminate smallpox...

The WHO programme took 14 years to get rid of it. They'd have got rid of polio too if not for religious nutjobs.

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

Edited by Gadgetmac on Thursday 9th July 11:21

[DeWar]

Woody John said:

Face coverings do not stop spread of flu. They do however restrict your breathing and make you re-inhale exhaust fumes damaging your health.

Yours is actually pretty decent WUMery, though it only works because people actually exist who believe this stuff.

[eldar]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Would your view be the same if Covid 19 had similar characteristics to the 1918 outbreak?

[Woody John]

The Irish PM Leo Varadkar said just last week the irish fatality numbers were way over estimated. Reading between the lines he said it's all a hoax.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

[Gadgetmac]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

So if long term health problems don’t mean much why not take a vaccine when released?

So you don’t think Covid is demonstrably more serious than other viruses?

Makes you wonder why we went into lockdown with almost every other country on the planet then doesn’t it? Not to mention how much damage has been done to the economy whilst making a Conservative Govt spend on a scale the previous socialist govts can only dream of.

[eldar]

WinstonWolf said:

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

To make it valid, how many people under45 have died from lightning strikes?

[Gadgetmac]

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

You’re comparing 30 years with 3 months

Try extrapolating an unvaccinated 30 years @ 610 per year and then compare which is more likely to kill you.

That about sums up the anti-vaxxer mindset.

[WinstonWolf]

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

Gadgetmac said:

WinstonWolf said:

If your under 40 you are more likely to die from a lightning strike than of Covid.

I've left the sheets to get wet 'just to be safe'.

In the US over the last 30 years on average 43 people per year die from lightning strikes. How many in the US who are under 44 have died this year from Covid?

Let me tell you...it’s 610 or 4% of the deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavi...

#misinformationcounts

That's handy. Using your figures 610 have died from Covid and 1290 people have died from lightning strikes. There is indeed a lot of misinformation out there.

You’re comparing 30 years with 3 months

Try extrapolating an unvaccinated 30 years @ 610 per year and then compare which is more likely to kill you.

That about sums up the anti-vaxxer mindset.

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

[otolith]

This is the basic problem - that public health relies on people giving a st about people other than themselves.

[s2art]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

[Woody John]

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

[CrutyRammers]

Gadgetmac said:

Makes you wonder why we went into lockdown with almost every other country on the planet then doesn’t it? Not to mention how much damage has been done to the economy whilst making a Conservative Govt spend on a scale the previous socialist govts can only dream of.

Quite likely, because the authoritarian China did first, and then everyone else followed suit.
The question was posed recently, if this had arisen in a western country first, would everyone have gone into lockdown? An interesting question.

[s2art]

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

You think herd immunity doesnt protect the vulnerable? Or what?

[WinstonWolf]

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

Yup.

So let's expand on this. The Karen's are going to be shoving their way to the front of the queue for a jab they don't really need thereby depriving those who would actually benefit from it. Protect the vulnerable...

We're not going to go from no vaccine to having 66 million shots suddenly available are we?

[s2art]

CrutyRammers said:

Gadgetmac said:

Makes you wonder why we went into lockdown with almost every other country on the planet then doesn’t it? Not to mention how much damage has been done to the economy whilst making a Conservative Govt spend on a scale the previous socialist govts can only dream of.

Quite likely, because the authoritarian China did first, and then everyone else followed suit.
The question was posed recently, if this had arisen in a western country first, would everyone have gone into lockdown? An interesting question.

If it was Italy first, with similar effects, then damn right everyone would have locked down.

[DeWar]

s2art said:

Woody John said:

s2art said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm not anti-vax, I just won't benefit from this particular vaccine. I also don't have the seasonal flu jab as I don't need it. In a number of years I'll benefit from it and then I'll have it.

Why aren't you having the seasonal flu jab if your reason is altruism?

You may or may not benefit from a jab, although its a risky bet as plenty of youngish people have suffered organ damage (lungs mainly) after catching it. But its your friends and relatives (young or old) who stand to benefit. as you couldnt pass it on after the jab.

That is simply not true.

You think herd immunity doesnt protect the vulnerable? Or what?

“Troll” is overused online and often seems to be used to delegitimise people who simply hold an opposing view. However Woody is a troll in the true sense - he’s fishing for reaction. His contributions are getting less subtle.