CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back
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ORD said:
Gadgetmac said:
ORD said:
ThumperMc said:
Gonna need some references for that claim, chief.
Then you’ve not been paying even the slightest attention. CV poses almost zero risk to anyone under 55. Your argument is to hide the truth because it’s inconvenient for people who want 100% compliance.
"Sometimes herd immunity is used as a reason not to vaccinate. It sounds reasonable. If everyone around you is vaccinated and you are protected by herd immunity, surely it can’t make any difference if you don’t get vaccinated yourself?
The problem is that if enough people behave like this vaccination rates will soon fall, and then diseases will start to circulate again. This is particularly true for very infectious diseases such as measles. It’s also important to realise that herd immunity doesn’t guarantee protection. People who don’t get vaccinated tend to cluster together in communities. So if a disease outbreak does occur, it is much more likely to spread within these communities than in the population as a whole. And herd immunity doesn’t work at all for some diseases like tetanus, which is caught from bacteria in the environment rather than other people.
So getting vaccinated gives us the best chance of individual protection, as well as helping to protect some of the most vulnerable people in our society."
The problem is that if enough people behave like this vaccination rates will soon fall, and then diseases will start to circulate again. This is particularly true for very infectious diseases such as measles. It’s also important to realise that herd immunity doesn’t guarantee protection. People who don’t get vaccinated tend to cluster together in communities. So if a disease outbreak does occur, it is much more likely to spread within these communities than in the population as a whole. And herd immunity doesn’t work at all for some diseases like tetanus, which is caught from bacteria in the environment rather than other people.
So getting vaccinated gives us the best chance of individual protection, as well as helping to protect some of the most vulnerable people in our society."
grumbledoak said:
djc206 said:
Herd immunity requires antibodies, a bit like the flu it would appear that covid antibodies aren’t particularly long living and that it’s possible to catch it again.
That simply isn't true.We have demonstrated long lived antibodies to SARS-CoV-2
https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(...
Antibodies for it's cousin SARS in 2003 were certainly detected 12 years after, and I believe more recently
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12...
In a shock to no-one, the immune system that has protected us for millions of years has not suddenly stopped working.
1974nc said:
TLDR - were all going to die (again)
Hundreds of thousands who wouldn't have died at this point in time have already.Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass comment isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
Edited by Gadgetmac on Friday 16th October 10:11
ORD said:
Gadgetmac said:
Hundreds of thousands who wouldn't have died at this point in time have already.
Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass dismissal of the death of this amount of people isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
Can you do me one for 30 million children and young people starving to death? Presumably those lives matter, too?Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass dismissal of the death of this amount of people isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
djc206 said:
Gadgetmac said:
Hundreds of thousands who wouldn't have died at this point in time have already.
Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass comment isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
With covid. Not of covid. An important difference.Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass comment isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
Edited by Gadgetmac on Friday 16th October 10:11
1974nc said:
Gadgetmac said:
Hundreds of thousands who wouldn't have died at this point in time have already.
Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass comment isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
You are an utter embarrassment to yourself.Here's a graphical perspective of the approx 50k deaths from Covid alone in the UK.
So no, we're not ALL going to die but your crass comment isn't clever. And let's not forget that most of them wouldn't have died peacefully.
Edited by Gadgetmac on Friday 16th October 10:11
Only Covid lives matter. (Minor illness for most)
Do you think terminal cancer patients waft up to heaven on a blanket of chinchilla fur?
You need to sit down and think whether this world is too tough for you to carry on living in..
As long as you aren't inconvenienced you don't give 2 hoots about anybody else. Thankfully society isn't run like that.
1974nc said:
Gadgetmac said:
Stop it you self-centered fool.
As long as you aren't inconvenienced you don't give 2 hoots about anybody else. Thankfully society isn't run like that.
No, unfortunately society seems to be run by screaming petulant fools like you who are happy to decimate the world on a whim.As long as you aren't inconvenienced you don't give 2 hoots about anybody else. Thankfully society isn't run like that.
I hope you suffer personally from the fallout that you so covet
Castrol for a knave said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
That well known hotbed of anti-science right wing dogma Sweden seems to be bouncing along at near zero Covid deaths without inventing a traffic light system for how foolish an over-reaction different areas have to implement. Meanwhile the antivax rednecks in Japan had 8 deaths yesterday, out of their 120m people, many of whom are elderly. Neither has had a severe lockdown. What are they doing right that 7 months of economic and social self destruction hasn't achieved here?
Japan is interesting. I saw some comment from our Far East territory (which is HQ'd in Hong Kong), and it seems it is in part due to the cultural norm of wearing masks and regular hand sanitising. Along with this, the Japanese population tend to be more adherent to government, so there was no need for a full formal lockdown - they followed "recommendations" much more closely than in the west. I also suspect the lower rates of obesity and heart disease might be a factor.
It's pretty complicated and there is even a suggestion genetically they are less predisposed to succumbing.
Economically, I expect domestic spend is down, but it has enjoyed strong exports, which has provided an economic buffer.
Hoofy said:
ORD said:
Hoofy said:
See today:
Thanks Gus Grima ?? This is the research that prompted me to refuse the flu vaccine for the children in the past few years. They’ll be kept away from school while their classmates are vaccinated - both of them got flu last year from the shedded virus loose in a school full of newly vaccinated children. Luckily it’s a Friday so we can give ourselves 3 clear days before returning ?? Annie-Rose couldn’t eat for 8 days last year ??
“So right now, across Britain, consent forms are coming home in school kids bags for the flu mist vaccination.
https://www.facebook.com/victoriagroomuk/posts/101...
Anti-vaxxers properly-so-called certainly are fruit loops! Thanks Gus Grima ?? This is the research that prompted me to refuse the flu vaccine for the children in the past few years. They’ll be kept away from school while their classmates are vaccinated - both of them got flu last year from the shedded virus loose in a school full of newly vaccinated children. Luckily it’s a Friday so we can give ourselves 3 clear days before returning ?? Annie-Rose couldn’t eat for 8 days last year ??
“So right now, across Britain, consent forms are coming home in school kids bags for the flu mist vaccination.
https://www.facebook.com/victoriagroomuk/posts/101...
Easy to say when it doesn't exist but now...
Vanden Saab said:
Gadgetmac said:
So the vaccine is around the corner. I wonder if the anti vaxxers are still adamant they'll not be taking it?
Easy to say when it doesn't exist but now...
As I stated in the beginning I will take it in 10 years or so when we know more about it and if Covid is still a problem. At the moment I will pass and leave it to those who are enthusiastic about it to test it for me. Easy to say when it doesn't exist but now...
But Ok, it’s not compulsory and yours is a common theme amongst anti-vaxxers.
Vanden Saab said:
Gadgetmac said:
Vanden Saab said:
Gadgetmac said:
So the vaccine is around the corner. I wonder if the anti vaxxers are still adamant they'll not be taking it?
Easy to say when it doesn't exist but now...
As I stated in the beginning I will take it in 10 years or so when we know more about it and if Covid is still a problem. At the moment I will pass and leave it to those who are enthusiastic about it to test it for me. Easy to say when it doesn't exist but now...
But Ok, it’s not compulsory and yours is a common theme amongst anti-vaxxers.
Most people do their bit but taking a new vaccine with no guarantee it is safe in the long term to potentially save either myself or somebody else is not a risk I wish to take YMMV.
As you say... Ridiculous argument is ridiculous
Hi Chaps - thought I’d let you know - I wasn’t allowed to say anything until today, but it's now okay for me to share that I have volunteered for the Covid-19 vaccine trials that a local Hospital are running in partnership with Pfizer. The vaccine is the one that has been developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι я чувю себя немного стрно и я думю, что вытл осные уши. чувству себя немго страо. чувю себя
Landcrab_Six said:
eldar said:
That was an option, but was ruled out early on in the epidemic. Possibly wisely, as 500+ died of covid today.
No they didn't.500+ reported today. Some weekend catch-up, some historic additions.
All designed to keep up the fear - report nearly 550 deaths and it looks like we're around half the March peak.
Reality is less than a third.
And I believe increased testing is the reason behind many of those, too.
Landcrab_Six said:
numtumfutunch said:
What did you do before you discovered Pistonheads?
I'm old school. So it was Usenet, but it has kind of died.And twitter, but apparently I'm spreading 'false information', so that often gets taken away from me.
Wonderful
98elise said:
I don't do social media (other then PH) for this reason. We have a couple of anti-vax nutters in the family and by that I mean full on conspiracy types.
There is a view that whilst Facebook, Twitter and other Social Media forums are doing something about the spreading of misinformation PH is starting to look like an irresponsible platform where conspiracy theory and other outright lies are allowed to run rampant.Even people given the elbow by twitter for this appear able to set-up shop here and carry on. This was an exchange earlier today...
Gadgetmac said:
Landcrab_Six said:
numtumfutunch said:
What did you do before you discovered Pistonheads?
I'm old school. So it was Usenet, but it has kind of died.And twitter, but apparently I'm spreading 'false information', so that often gets taken away from me.
Wonderful
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