CV19 - The Anti Vaxxers Are Back
Discussion
grumbledoak said:
Is that supposed to be relevant in any way?Hoofy said:
Woody John said:
Hoofy said:
Use common sense...
When holding a knife: if passing it to people, don't throw it and expect them to catch.
When crossing the road: wait for a suitable gap in the traffic rather than run across without looking.
When on a big night out if a woman: stay with your friends, keep an eye on your drink.
When playing paintball: wear a face mask.
Going out during a pandemic: do you? don't you? should you wear a mask? How far apart should you be?
Masks are not effective. In fact they harm your health by restricting breathing and re-inhaling exhaust air. Next.When holding a knife: if passing it to people, don't throw it and expect them to catch.
When crossing the road: wait for a suitable gap in the traffic rather than run across without looking.
When on a big night out if a woman: stay with your friends, keep an eye on your drink.
When playing paintball: wear a face mask.
Going out during a pandemic: do you? don't you? should you wear a mask? How far apart should you be?
Many masks have a notice on the packaaging along the lines of "This product does not prevent the spread of covid 19".
So yes, mask wearing is about compliance not functionality.
grumbledoak said:
citizensm1th said:
Woody John said:
Masks are not effective. In fact they harm your health by restricting breathing and re-inhaling exhaust air. Next.
Can you provide some scientific proof of that claim please, not some hack job Web site but a proper genuine scientific paper that backs up your claim? This oxford one from late June cautiously advises cloth masks.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-...
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-...
Woody John said:
Hoofy said:
Woody John said:
Hoofy said:
Use common sense...
When holding a knife: if passing it to people, don't throw it and expect them to catch.
When crossing the road: wait for a suitable gap in the traffic rather than run across without looking.
When on a big night out if a woman: stay with your friends, keep an eye on your drink.
When playing paintball: wear a face mask.
Going out during a pandemic: do you? don't you? should you wear a mask? How far apart should you be?
Masks are not effective. In fact they harm your health by restricting breathing and re-inhaling exhaust air. Next.When holding a knife: if passing it to people, don't throw it and expect them to catch.
When crossing the road: wait for a suitable gap in the traffic rather than run across without looking.
When on a big night out if a woman: stay with your friends, keep an eye on your drink.
When playing paintball: wear a face mask.
Going out during a pandemic: do you? don't you? should you wear a mask? How far apart should you be?
Many masks have a notice on the packaaging along the lines of "This product does not prevent the spread of covid 19".
So yes, mask wearing is about compliance not functionality.
That's proven then!!
Woody John said:
Speak to a surgeon about how uncomfortable it is to wear a mask. They do it to stop their saliva from making contact with patients.
If you really think about it, you could stretch your imagination to consider how that would be useful during a pandemic where we don't know who is infected.Woody John said:
Many masks have a notice on the packaaging along the lines of "This product does not prevent the spread of covid 19".
It doesn't have to prevent it, just reduce it.Woody John said:
So yes, mask wearing is about compliance not functionality.
What does that even mean? Who stands to gain from a shady conspiracy to make us all wear masks?grumbledoak said:
I know you are a little strange but I expected more from you than that, nothing in that report backs up the claim that masks will harm you from the reabsorption of "exhaust gasses" citizensm1th said:
I know you are a little strange but I expected more from you than that, nothing in that report backs up the claim that masks will harm you from the reabsorption of "exhaust gasses"
No. It concludes that cloth masks are not recommended, which I read as supporting the first sentence: "Masks are not effective". I am open to better references if you can link to them. There seems to be basically nothing on the risks or benefits of bits of cloth worn all day by untrained members of the public.
grumbledoak said:
No. It concludes that cloth masks are not recommended, which I read as supporting the first sentence: "Masks are not effective".
I am open to better references if you can link to them. There seems to be basically nothing on the risks or benefits of bits of cloth worn all day by untrained members of the public.
The oxford study linked above from 26th June, concludes a double layer home made cloth mask is effective. The scottish instruction vid appears to be based on this research, and instructs how to make a double layer fabric mask using common household materials. I am open to better references if you can link to them. There seems to be basically nothing on the risks or benefits of bits of cloth worn all day by untrained members of the public.
The 'fitted properly' basically means covering your mouth and nose and securing by ears or round the back.
It concludes.
Cloth face coverings are effective in reducing source
virus transmission, i.e., outward protection of others, when
they are of optimal material and construction (high grade
cotton, hybrid and multilayer) and fitted correctly and for
source protection of the wearer
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 9th July 21:34
sambucket said:
grumbledoak said:
No. It concludes that cloth masks are not recommended, which I read as supporting the first sentence: "Masks are not effective".
I am open to better references if you can link to them. There seems to be basically nothing on the risks or benefits of bits of cloth worn all day by untrained members of the public.
The oxford study linked above from 26th June, concludes a double layer home made cloth mask is effective. The scottish instruction vid appears to be based on this research, and instructs how to make a double layer fabric mask using common household materials. I am open to better references if you can link to them. There seems to be basically nothing on the risks or benefits of bits of cloth worn all day by untrained members of the public.
The 'fitted properly' basically means covering your mouth and nose and securing by ears or round the back.
It concludes.
Cloth face coverings are effective in reducing source
virus transmission, i.e., outward protection of others, when
they are of optimal material and construction (high grade
cotton, hybrid and multilayer) and fitted correctly and for
source protection of the wearer
Edited by sambucket on Thursday 9th July 21:34
citizensm1th said:
xjay1337 said:
Lies like "ITS A KILLER AND WE ALL GONNA DIE"
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Yes as that's as bad as those who are still saying it's just the flu o_O
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Good job I have never stated either thing eh sweetheart.
You might want to watch your blood pressure though as you seem very angry with all the capitals, and I belive high blood pressure can lead to someone getting a bad dose of the lurgy
I'm not angry and if you can read you'd realise i wasn't saying that.
It's just the Flu...
citizensm1th said:
Can you provide some scientific proof of that claim please, not some hack job Web site but a proper genuine scientific paper that backs up your claim?
Speak to any health care worker. You need a specific mask of the right size and fit for it to be effective. They will have to have had a proper fitting to determine the fit otherwise they are useless. They will also have training in how to put it on and take it off and dispose of it as that is the most likely time an infection will be spread. A doctor I know has to wear a ventilated hood as none of the masks available actually fit his face. Add to that we often see people walking around wearing masks inside out ...At best wearing a mask is a placebo designed to make the wearer and those around them feel safer
. https://www.hse.gov.uk/respiratory-protective-equi...
otolith said:
Taylor James said:
It's only my impression but I do get the feeling that the same people that were such venomous Remainers seem very similar to the angry pro-lockdown, pro-control and pro-vax side of the argument.
Funny, I was also seeing similarities between Brexiteers and covid enthusiasts.They were conditioned to think that their feelings were the same as facts from experts.
Their feelings are that, if Covid is as bad as the experts say, it would be very scary indeed.
They feel that it must just be a mild cold that we can all ignore and that comforts them.
They don't trust the government they elected to tell them the truth, because they're only too aware of the lies that got them in to power, so ignore them when their public health advice.
Hoofy said:
mx5nut said:
What does that even mean? Who stands to gain from a shady conspiracy to make us all wear masks?
BILL GATES HAS INVESTED BILLIONS... B I L L I O N S... IN FACEMASK MANUFACTURE. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
This is actually more coherent than the real arguments from the pro-Covid brigade
mx5nut said:
Hoofy said:
mx5nut said:
What does that even mean? Who stands to gain from a shady conspiracy to make us all wear masks?
BILL GATES HAS INVESTED BILLIONS... B I L L I O N S... IN FACEMASK MANUFACTURE. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!This is actually more coherent than the real arguments from the pro-Covid brigade
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