If masks become compulsory in shops.

[DanL]

1974nc said:

I’m sure there’ll be no health hazard (or at least no legally recompensible one) by repeatedly vaccinating everyone on the planet every few months for the rest of their natural lives.

For what to most is a minor illness..

No profit or ulterior motives here... move along....

Has anyone said that we’d be vaccinating everyone repeatedly?

[eps]

grumbledoak said:

eps said:

Anyway it's not "if" but "when"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53395513 a guide to how to wear your mask/muzzle/etc/whateva! enjoy or just don't go to the shops.

Get used to it.

Or just stay home.

10 million unemployed after the High Street's final spasm and death rattle, do we think?

Yep.

It's going to be grim, unfortunately. September/October and the financial pressure will really start to hit.

[don'tbesilly]

Biker 1 said:

Matt Hancock quoted again: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/matt-hancock-fa...

However, article says: 'Supporters of a blanket rule on wearing face coverings in all public places argue it is far easier to understand, and the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy is in discussion with employers, The Telegraph reports'

So we're going down to the lowest common denominator, as usual. Government 'policy'......

I'm not shocked that within 30 odd minutes of something I suspected was likely to happen looks like it might happen

don'tbesilly said:

I saw the same interview, and also listened to why Hancock said the need for face coverings in the workplace differed to the need for face coverings in a retail environment and could understand why Hancock stated what he did.

It will be interesting to see if face coverings in the workplace become a thing, and who makes it a thing, the employers or the Govt.

At a guess, if it's the employer making it a thing it will gain traction, and inevitably the Govt will no doubt be the fall guy as to why it came about.

[GSE]

Biker 1 said:

So we're going down to the lowest common denominator, as usual. Government 'policy'......

Yep.

The new faceless society being created:



Millions of years of evolution of the human face to deal with how we eat, breathe, communicate, and assess potential partners to be "muzzled" (yes, because that's what it is) for good.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories and believe that this is some sort of globalist agenda, but it's easy to see how some do.
It appears that everyone in the Government are tripping over themselves backwards to 'do the right thing' and (pardon the pun) "save face", just like the Chinese. And they have no care whatsoever for the chaos that they caused to the economy, and for the future of our society in general.

So now just waiting for the usual response from the mask lovers that other countries have got used to it. We are not any other country.

[anonymoususer]

Mr Hancock will be gone by the end of the month

[isaldiri]

DanL said:

I assume this has been covered in the thread already, but it’s long and I don’t have time to read it. I thought the point of masks wasn’t to stop you catching it, but to help prevent you spreading it if you happen to have it?

Has this been shown to be wrong?

No it's not wrong. It probably has a (small) effect in reducing any spread.

However it's clearly not actually needed to bring levels of infections down to very low levels as we did so without masks from rather high level and countries in Scandinavia have obviously managed to get on perfectly fine with even lower levels of mask wearing. So it's essentially just an unnecessary BS measure being imposed for the govt to claim they are doing something to avoid further blame which is a pretty lousy reason to be imposing a fine for non compliance.

[anonymous-user]

eps said:

grumbledoak said:

eps said:

Anyway it's not "if" but "when"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53395513 a guide to how to wear your mask/muzzle/etc/whateva! enjoy or just don't go to the shops.

Get used to it.

Or just stay home.

10 million unemployed after the High Street's final spasm and death rattle, do we think?

Yep.

It's going to be grim, unfortunately. September/October and the financial pressure will really start to hit.

I just can't see how the jobs of the 9 million people on furlough will become viable again in the next 3 months. I would argue that if the companies have managed to get by without these people for the last four months then there is a good chance they are not actually needed.

At the moment it is not costing these companies anything to keep these employees hanging on, I suspect as soon as they are expected to contribute towards furlough the mass redundancies will start. Will the government allow these millions of people to become unemployed or will they extend furlough or come up with some sort of £1000 a month universal income?

How long can the government continue to print billions of pounds a month to pay millions of people to stay at home?

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

[don'tbesilly]

anonymoususer said:

Mr Hancock will be gone by the end of the month

So Hancock has 16 days left in office? Let's see just how well your prediction plays out.

[n3il123]

It will become the new normal, there is no exit strategy for it.

I'm not actually sure the new normal is something that I want to be part of.

[anonymous-user]

Mr Hancock told the Commons on Tuesday the new rule would "give people more confidence to shop safely and enhance protections for those who work in shops".

Alternatively it will stop a high % of customers visiting shops
Either because they do not want to wear a mask.
Or it gives the impression that they are a bad place, to be avoided.

Bye Bye shops, just when we were being encouraged to get back to some normality..

[Zoobeef]

When we talk about what all this has cost. Does it include the reduced tax take over this period too? Or is that another "cost" to the government that needs adding on top?

[CrutyRammers]

Joey Deacon said:

t billions of pounds a month to pay millions of people to stay at home?

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

It really does feel like we're on the edge of an abyss that most people can't or won't see.

[CrutyRammers]

voyds9 said:

So a number of studies are coming out that are saying after contracting Covid 19 there may well be NO lasting immunity
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-coronav...
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2020/06/306218/wu...

Does that mean that if/when we get a vaccine we will need to re inoculated on a regular basis, say every 3-6 months.

So...kinda like flu then. Who'da thought?

[Roofless Toothless]

I make no apologies for not going through 60 pages of this to see if my question has already been asked, so you will have to bear with me.

Does this all refer to fabric face coverings only? What about the plastic visors that I see people wearing everywhere?

To me, I can't see how a visor does anything of value. Everything you breathe in and out simply goes round it unfiltered, unlike a mask, which actually traps aerosols. I can't understand why people don't see this. Surely they are spit guards only?

If people turn up at the supermarket with a visor, will they be allowed in?

[biggbn]

Biker 1 said:

biggbn said:

A patchy sun tan is a strange hill to plant your flag on, but if the aesthetics of skin pigmentation mean so much to you, why not.

Not me - I dislike Benidorm anyway. Couple of people at work mentioned this.

Part of the issue here is that most people have no idea what its like to wear a muzzle mask (sorry, not allowed to use that wicked swear word on PH) for an 8 hour shift. It's absolutely bloody awful, I can assure you. Then there's the correct wearing of said item, procurement, disposal. If the DM article is correct, will this mean that public places will include beaches/parks etc? I'll go for a walk in the woods alone with my scrap of T shirt, then stop in the pub on way home & remove it - absurd..........

On that i agree. The whole exemption for pubs, and lets be honest, pretty wholesale ignoring of distancing within whilst gyms etc remain closed up here is farcical.

[vixen1700]

Joey Deacon said:

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

Grim.

[Welshbeef]

Joey Deacon said:

I just can't see how the jobs of the 9 million people on furlough will become viable again in the next 3 months. I would argue that if the companies have managed to get by without these people for the last four months then there is a good chance they are not actually needed.

At the moment it is not costing these companies anything to keep these employees hanging on, I suspect as soon as they are expected to contribute towards furlough the mass redundancies will start. Will the government allow these millions of people to become unemployed or will they extend furlough or come up with some sort of £1000 a month universal income?

How long can the government continue to print billions of pounds a month to pay millions of people to stay at home?

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

Remember no one has really been buying things or doing things which is where many of the 9m used to be

[anonymous-user]

vixen1700 said:

Joey Deacon said:

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

Grim.

It honestly feels to me like we are heading towards some sort of Dystopia driven by vocal social media mob rule who shout down and shame anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda. An agenda that has little evidence to back it up and seems more driven by being popular than being right.

Welshbeef said:

Remember no one has really been buying things or doing things which is where many of the 9m used to be

And they won't be buying anything as they are either furloughed or working from home and have had four months of only going to the supermarket and buying everything online. Now the government are trying to get everything back to normal they are introducing stupid rules to put off anybody who was thinking of going back to the shops.

Add to that the stupidly high rent and business rates being charged for retail premises and the figures do not add up.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 15th July 10:31

[JagLover]

Welshbeef said:

Joey Deacon said:

I just can't see how the jobs of the 9 million people on furlough will become viable again in the next 3 months. I would argue that if the companies have managed to get by without these people for the last four months then there is a good chance they are not actually needed.

At the moment it is not costing these companies anything to keep these employees hanging on, I suspect as soon as they are expected to contribute towards furlough the mass redundancies will start. Will the government allow these millions of people to become unemployed or will they extend furlough or come up with some sort of £1000 a month universal income?

How long can the government continue to print billions of pounds a month to pay millions of people to stay at home?

The reality of what the government has done is going to hit in winter when people are queuing outside the supermarket in the cold and rain with their masks on with millions of people out of work and Christmas around the corner.

Remember no one has really been buying things or doing things which is where many of the 9m used to be

True enough

Add to which many places have furloughed junior staff and so need to bring them back at some point otherwise they wont have the workforce of tomorrow.

Clearly many of the 9m furloughed people are on borrowed time, but it isn't all of them or even most of them.

[Not-The-Messiah]

The mask argument is like speed limits. You can have a road thats been 60mph for 50years and half a million cars a year go down it each year perfectly safely. But 5 cars a year crash so statistically speaking driving down that road you have a 1 in 100000 chance of crashing.

But because this is above average they decide to reduce the limit to 40mph. So now if anyone drives down that road at 60mph like they have done for years
before they are now a dangerous maniac. And you get people going "what's the problem? so what it's 40mph now, you are just selfish who wants to risk people's lives"

The problem is the cars that crashed weren't doing the speed limit they where well above it. And dropping the speed limit makes no difference to them because they will just brake the new limit.

It's the same with masks an incredibly statically small chance of catching the virus and the vast majority of people who are behaving sensibly don't have anything to worry about.